Mintchip said:

donnyenglish said:

The man was sick. He may have died from the drugs, but there was an underlying illness. Frankly, it makes me feel better that this was something beyond his control. I am so tired of the media making him out to be an addict. He was in control. He knew exactly what was happening to him.

drug addiction is a disease. He was not in control.

Like obesity is a disease? Bullshit.

nursev said:

So when will we be able to talk rationally about the elephant in the room that is AIDS? I know it hurts to see all these stories, but it is a possibility

I find it interesting that TMZ (which,let's face it, has been the most reliable source) hasn't said anything about Prince having AIDS.If this story was true,they would have reported it already.They always get the "scoop" and most of their information turns out to be true.I refuse to believe anything that the National Enquirer reports and I would urge other fans to do the same.

Philly76 said:

Please stop to spreading the HIV rumor. With all the "facts" we have so far its unlikely Prince was HIV+. As a doctor i can say it's not likely he died due to Aids with the clinical picture we know yet.

I agree.Fans need to stop spreading that National Enquirer story.

The bigger question:

IF it is AIDS, does that change the way you feel?

CynicKill said:

The bigger question:

IF it is AIDS, does that change the way you feel?

NOOOOOOO.

CynicKill said:

The bigger question:

IF it is AIDS, does that change the way you feel?

No, but if it was drugs it kinda does. Perhaps because it contradicts the way he chose to present himself.

paulludvig said:

CynicKill said:

The bigger question:

IF it is AIDS, does that change the way you feel?

No, but if it was drugs it kinda does. Perhaps because it contradicts the way he chose to present himself.

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I'm less judgy if it was prescription addiction because of how much pain he was in.

It's like judging a cancer patient for wanting heroin treatment.

If it was illegal drug addiciton then yeah that would be a contradiction.

CynicKill said:

paulludvig said:

No, but if it was drugs it kinda does. Perhaps because it contradicts the way he chose to present himself.

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I'm less judgy if it was prescription addiction because of how much pain he was in.

It's like judging a cancer patient for wanting heroin treatment.

If it was illegal drug addiciton then yeah that would be a contradiction.

Legal drugs are worse.

keenly said:

CynicKill said:

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I'm less judgy if it was prescription addiction because of how much pain he was in.

It's like judging a cancer patient for wanting heroin treatment.

If it was illegal drug addiciton then yeah that would be a contradiction.

Legal drugs are worse.

From a moral point of view? Nothing wrong with taking medication for medical reasons, somthing else to take drugs to get high.

keenly said:

CynicKill said:

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I'm less judgy if it was prescription addiction because of how much pain he was in.

It's like judging a cancer patient for wanting heroin treatment.

If it was illegal drug addiciton then yeah that would be a contradiction.

Legal drugs are worse.

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Apparently.

But I see how people can get lost in them when dealing with chronic pain I can't even imagine.

The bigger elephant to me is (and I know this will possibly be controversdial) did Prince die for us?

I remember reading an article with Courtney Love and she was talking about being apprehensive about touring again because american audiences demanded that you give your life onstage.

When I look at how Michael Jackson worked himself into debilitation with those crazy tours and how Prince really went above and beyond when he really should've retired from touring maybe decades ago, I always wonder why, when the pain started, they didn't just take care of themselves and say enough.

Like I said before when I saw Prince he was dancing on a piano only to jump off it into a split and pop back up as if he were walking to the mailbox. I was like DAMN but I also knew it would come back to bite him one day.

CynicKill said:

The bigger elephant to me is (and I know this will possibly be controversdial) did Prince die for us?

I remember reading an article with Courtney Love and she was talking about being apprehensive about touring again because american audiences demanded that you give your life onstage.

When I look at how Michael Jackson worked himself into debilitation with those crazy tours and how Prince really went above and beyond when he really should've retired from touring maybe decades ago, I always wonder why, when the pain started, they didn't just take care of themselves and say enough.

Like I said before when I saw Prince he was dancing on a piano only to jump off it into a split and pop back up as if he were walking to the mailbox. I was like DAMN but I also knew it would come back to bite him one day.

You bring up a good point.Prince and Michael Jackson worked so hard to please their fans,but now I kinda wish that,if they were in so much physical pain,they had retired from live performances/concerts.I know it's crazy to say that but ,their lives are more important than concerts.We would rather just have them here on Earth,still alive! I don't want any of my favorite artists to kill themselves trying to please me!

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endiadj said:

SoulAlive said:

I had a friend die from AIDS back in the early 90s. Actually, it wasn't AIDS that killed him, but complications from conjunctivitis that ended up taking his life. His immune system was completely compromised, so that a small infection was huge for him. I've also worked with HIV + individuals, and they can go through life with little to no symptoms when their CDC count is high. It's when their CDC starts to fall that trouble starts, and when it gets below (I believe) 500, is when they are diagnosed with AIDS. End stage AIDS, Prince would not have been able to perform that concert at all. Also, if it were complications from a related condition due to AIDS, he still would not have been able to perform in Atlanta. He would have been hospitalized and on anti-biotics through an IV to help boost his immune system. It's not AIDS, y'all.

SoulAlive said:

CynicKill said:

The bigger elephant to me is (and I know this will possibly be controversdial) did Prince die for us?

I remember reading an article with Courtney Love and she was talking about being apprehensive about touring again because american audiences demanded that you give your life onstage.

When I look at how Michael Jackson worked himself into debilitation with those crazy tours and how Prince really went above and beyond when he really should've retired from touring maybe decades ago, I always wonder why, when the pain started, they didn't just take care of themselves and say enough.

Like I said before when I saw Prince he was dancing on a piano only to jump off it into a split and pop back up as if he were walking to the mailbox. I was like DAMN but I also knew it would come back to bite him one day.

You bring up a good point.Prince and Michael Jackson worked so hard to please their fans,but now I kinda wish that,if they were in so much physical pain,they had retired from live performances/concerts.I know it's crazy to say that but ,their lives are more important than concerts.We would rather just have them here on Earth,still alive! I don't want any of my favorite artists to kill themselves trying to please me!

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I've known a few musicians. They can't stop. The music is in them and it doesn't matter how poorly they feel, they will perform, because it's who they are, the music is a part of them and has to be expressed. That is extremely true of Prince. He is music and he would never have been able to stop performing, no matter how ill he became.

Umm this chef needs to shut up, already.

Philly76 said:

Please stop to spread the HIV rumor. With all the "facts" we have so far its unlikely Prince was HIV+. As a doctor i can say it's not likely he died due to Aids with the clinical picture we know yet.

Why is unlikely he was HIV +? I mean he likely had sex with hundreds, maybe a few thousand women. The guy was a feakazoid in his prime. Plus the weight loss, the "flu", sore throats, compromised immune system, death at 57, etc. etc. It's entirely plausable. The thing that makes me think not is that not even TMZ has gone there. They are sickening but usually contain some truth. The National Inquirer? Not worthy of toilet paper. Everybody dies of aids if you believe them. They said the same thing is Bowie but it just didn't get this kind of traction.

CynicKill said:

The bigger question:

IF it is AIDS, does that change the way you feel?

Hell no. Freddie Mercury is my favorite singer bar none to this day.

SoulAlive said:

CynicKill said:

The bigger elephant to me is (and I know this will possibly be controversdial) did Prince die for us?

I remember reading an article with Courtney Love and she was talking about being apprehensive about touring again because american audiences demanded that you give your life onstage.

When I look at how Michael Jackson worked himself into debilitation with those crazy tours and how Prince really went above and beyond when he really should've retired from touring maybe decades ago, I always wonder why, when the pain started, they didn't just take care of themselves and say enough.

Like I said before when I saw Prince he was dancing on a piano only to jump off it into a split and pop back up as if he were walking to the mailbox. I was like DAMN but I also knew it would come back to bite him one day.

I don't think that Prince died for us whatsoever. Prince loved what he did, and even those that knew him and were part of his band, have said many times, how much of a perfectionist and hard worker he was, doing rehearsals for hours, not wanting to stop. How many have said that he worked on music constantly? Prince did what he did because it was what he was born to do, music was all he knew.

1contessa said:

Call me crazy but i still feel Denise Matthews (Vanity's) death afffected him..the timeline and all...the last 1-2 months his health was declining and then he dies so soon after she did..can't help but feel he was internally mourning for her and she was waiting for him to arrive.

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donnyenglish said:

nursev said:

So when will we be able to talk rationally about the elephant in the room that is AIDS? I know it hurts to see all these stories, but it is a possibility

I have come to accept that it was some terminal illness. As a fan, I find some peace in this and it angers me that the media is making him out to be a druggy when he was not. The film that is curculating of clips from the Atlanta show and his final official photo clearly show an emaciated and frail Prince, who was already a tiny human being. He was a dying man who might have taken some drugs to get him through his last days. I love and respect him for this. He was so brave. For him tobe able to deliver those shows in Atlanta while he was dying shows how great he truly was.

Amen, I concur with this, it shows his tenacity, and determination to enjoy his life even in the midst of pain and suffering.

His spirit was just as relentless and resilient as ever.

Is it possible that it was pancreatic cancer that sneaked up on him kinda too late?

nursev said:

1contessa said:

donnyenglish said: