An update from my 2013 ranking system. I ran each song on an album out of 10 and then total up points, dividing them out of number of tracks (Such as 72 points for Dirty Mind out of a maximum of 80 points (10 per song) which gives a raw score of 90%.

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Here is the data and my comments, please see notes below.

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Notes.

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1. I have not ranked NPG Operators, Segues or Affirmations, as these would bring marks down greatly and how do you rank spoken word sequences.

2. Have not ranked live albums like One Nite Alone, Indigo nights, NPGMC releases or Greatest Hits collections.

3. Same with bootlegs and protege albums.

4. Raw scores for multidisc albums - Sign o the Times - 98.4 A+++

Crystal Ball - 79.6 A-/B+

Emancipation - 65.5 B-

5. Hits albums I did rate

Ultimate - Disc 2 - 76 B+

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I update this list at least yearly, so initial reactions to new music are tempered and my taste changes on many albums over time.

I appreciate your effort, but some of your rankings are terrible. The Truth a D? Rainbow Children a D? To name just a couple. Each to there own I guess.

Good responses guys. Questions

1. Yes I use the CD format - but at the bottom if you look, I have raw scores for a whole album, and SOTT is still way out ahead. Crystal Ball is even too, but Emancipation varies a bit, the first disc is the best by 10 or more percent.

2. Yes I listen to every album at least 3 times each year.

3. My opinion is my opinion, Rianbow children and Truth are morose crap, can barely listen to them. I love Gold and Hitnrun Phase 2 thats me.

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Gave me a shock though, noticed that Purple Rain is my number 2 album after all, then again listening to it, it is great.

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Only thing I disagree with is being called a noob (I assume hipster slang for Newbie or new fan, I can assure you my friend I am not a newbie, I have 25 years experience of intense Princeocology and have featured in Famjams and have my own channel on Youtube, along with respect in many of the community in Australia, NZ and now even a superfan in the UK.

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Criticise my work, but don't call me names andykeen, I see you have a joker as your avatar, yeah stick to that jokey joke jokemaker.

andykeen said:

N.E.W.S and rainbow children at the bottom of Your list? 😂😂😂😂 total noob

I'd give both those albums a 9. How do you rate an album A+++ like using what methodology? :/

I keep seeing TGE high on most peoples lists.

I can't even get all the way through it,not on release,not now.

this album is crazy overrated IMO.

fortuneandserendipity said:

andykeen said:

N.E.W.S and rainbow children at the bottom of Your list? 😂😂😂😂 total noob

I'd give both those albums a 9. How do you rate an album A+++ like using what methodology? :/

I use British New Zealand grading system which is not the American 10 points per grade one.

Grades used. We used this system at university and had a GPA from 1 to 9. Also here grades A to C are passes, a D or an E is a failure.

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A+ 90 or more, although I have used A++ for 95 or more and A+++ for 98 or more - High First Class (Distinction) pass GPA 9.0

A, -85 to 89, Clear first class, GPA 8.0

A-, 80 -84, Bare first class, GPA 7.0

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B+, 75 - 79, High second class (Credit/Merit) pass, GPA 6.0

B, 70 - 74, Clear second class, GPA 5.0

B-, 65 -69, Bare second class, GPA 4.0 - (Usual minimum needed to do graduate courses in your Undergraduate BA degree)

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C+, 60 -64, Sound pass (No third class), GPA 3.0

C, 55 -59, Pass, GPA 2.0

C-, 50 - 54, Marginal Pass, GPA 1.0 (Some higher end courses did not accept C- and called them conceded passes, too many disqualified you from graduation, happened to me with two C- grades in my first 2 years)

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D+, 47 - 49, Marginal Fail No GPA, In cases of compassion, like one marginal grade like this in a minor it would be a conceded pass.

D, 44 - 46, Clear Fail

D-, 40 - 43, Poor Fail

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E+, 35 -39, Poor Fail

E, 30 - 34, Poor Fail

F, Under 30, Why did you bother showing up to the test/course.

W, Withdrawn no grade

DS, Disqualified no grade

DNS, Did not sit.

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So in my case, you got grades and a GPA from year to year, for my BA it was 5.039 meaning an average of B (Mostly I got B+ to B- and the occasional A- and C)

For my Masters degree, it increased to 6.35, which was a good B+ (I got B+ for my diseertation and all papers except one I got an A- for), but I missed out on First class getting a 2nd class(B) Division I (73 - 79%). The other levels for MA are First Class (Anything over 80%/A-), 2nd class 2nd division (65 - 72%) and 3rd class (C grade 50 - 64%)rare as few postgrads get a post grad degree level with a C average, but for minorities and culturally disadvantaged groups (Women, Brown people, extreme poverty, inmates, 2nd chance hope programmes), it has become more common.

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Adorecream said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'd give both those albums a 9. How do you rate an album A+++ like using what methodology? :/

I use British New Zealand grading system which is not the American 10 points per grade one.

Grades used. We used this system at university and had a GPA from 1 to 9. Also here grades A to C are passes, a D or an E is a failure.

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A+ 90 or more, although I have used A++ for 95 or more and A+++ for 98 or more - High First Class (Distinction) pass GPA 9.0

A, -85 to 89, Clear first class, GPA 8.0

A-, 80 -84, Bare first class, GPA 7.0

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B+, 75 - 79, High second class (Credit/Merit) pass, GPA 6.0

B, 70 - 74, Clear second class, GPA 5.0

B-, 65 -69, Bare second class, GPA 4.0 - (Usual minimum needed to do graduate courses in your Undergraduate BA degree)

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C+, 60 -64, Sound pass (No third class), GPA 3.0

C, 55 -59, Pass, GPA 2.0

C-, 50 - 54, Marginal Pass, GPA 1.0 (Some higher end courses did not accept C- and called them conceded passes, too many disqualified you from graduation, happened to me with two C- grades in my first 2 years)

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D+, 47 - 49, Marginal Fail No GPA, In cases of compassion, like one marginal grade like this in a minor it would be a conceded pass.

D, 44 - 46, Clear Fail

D-, 40 - 43, Poor Fail

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E+, 35 -39, Poor Fail

E, 30 - 34, Poor Fail

F, Under 30, Why did you bother showing up to the test/course.

W, Withdrawn no grade

DS, Disqualified no grade

DNS, Did not sit.

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So in my case, you got grades and a GPA from year to year, for my BA it was 5.039 meaning an average of B (Mostly I got B+ to B- and the occasional A- and C)

For my Masters degree, it increased to 6.35, which was a good B+ (I got B+ for my diseertation and all papers except one I got an A- for), but I missed out on First class getting a 2nd class(B) Division I (73 - 79%). The other levels for MA are First Class (Anything over 80%/A-), 2nd class 2nd division (65 - 72%) and 3rd class (C grade 50 - 64%)rare as few postgrads get a post grad degree level with a C average, but for minorities and culturally disadvantaged groups (Women, Brown people, extreme poverty, inmates, 2nd chance hope programmes), it has become more common.

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The problem is when you're out by about 50%- that's a big 50%

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Fortuneandserendipity...

I never knew there was a standardised structure for rating albums and a range of scores you have to rank each album. I operate on a system called personal opinion, common in free and democratic countries like my one, but must be anathema in the communist hellhole you live or is that your imagination.

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You like the Truth and TRC, good for you I don't. Not only is the content shit, but the songwriting and musicality of both albums is way below his usual standard. I don't make the rules, I just reinforce them. You don't have to respect the opinions I set out, but you don't have to personally attack me over them, its called trolling and its not permitted on the org.

Adorecream said:

Fortuneandserendipity...

I never knew there was a standardised structure for rating albums and a range of scores you have to rank each album. I operate on a system called personal opinion, common in free and democratic countries like my one, but must be anathema in the communist hellhole you live or is that your imagination.

Communists didn't like jazz. Jazz is all about freedom.

Adorecream said:

Fortuneandserendipity...

I never knew there was a standardised structure for rating albums and a range of scores you have to rank each album. I operate on a system called personal opinion, common in free and democratic countries like my one, but must be anathema in the communist hellhole you live or is that your imagination.

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You like the Truth and TRC, good for you I don't. Not only is the content shit, but the songwriting and musicality of both albums is way below his usual standard. I don't make the rules, I just reinforce them. You don't have to respect the opinions I set out, but you don't have to personally attack me over them, its called trolling and its not permitted on the org.

... And u rate MPLSOUND a B- ...

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I'm sorry but you can't say "the content is shit" when talking about any of his albims - especially TRC. You may not like it and have your opinion but don't speak of your opinion like it is a fact. I dont like HitnRun Phase 1 but I would never call it shit - like I could do any better!!! That's just downright disrespectful and you damage your credibility full stop.

You guys are a pack of haters. If you hate my rankings so much, post your own instead of trading potshots. Don't bring me down 2 days before his double concert here!

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PS: I am not Black or a Christian, or straight, so hence why I have issues with his preachy homophobic nonsense. Just because you all like Love Jones in de bible, dosen'tmean I do, also a lot of the music I don't like of his is aimed at 2 digit IQ fans, I have a 3 digit IQ. Jazz music is overated and dated, to me Jazz is like Jazzabo Collins and Fate Marabelle in 1921 with a steamboat or a car that looks like the one Grandma Duck drives.

It is the comments on each album I find confusing - you say great things about Musicology, but have it below MPLSound, which you basically say is not very good

starguitar said:

It is the comments on each album I find confusing - you say great things about Musicology, but have it below MPLSound, which you basically say is not very good

Good point, I need to redo some comments, as I update the list yearly and at one stage Musicology was a 75, and now its dropped. I guess it has got more boring over the years.

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I guess too, compared to TRC, NEWS and the One Nite Alone albums, the album does sound like a return to form, of course in between AOA and Hitnrun Phase 2 it would sound like a drop down.

This is cool - thanks for posting. Personally though, I was surprised to see '20ten' so high and 'For You' so low.

I focussed on lifting For You, upa bit this time as 59 did seem low, but in reality, the best songs on that album are 8's (Soft and Wet and Baby) with also a couple of 7s, but the ballads are 4 out of 10 territory. Compared to later albums and even Prince this album is still lacking and lifting it up to 62, was about as much as I could do sorry.

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In fact we don't hit a 10/10 song until Dirty Mind, although 3 songs off Prince got 9, Lover, I feel for you and Sexy Dancer.

Calm down people is his opinion, just that.

derrick31 said: