funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

CharismaDove said:

Maybe we should even let Josh handle the vocals. Hell the album might have improved!

Another comment that's utter nonsense once again.

Another comment that was a joke, just making fun of Prince's voice. Obviously I wouldn't want Josh to sing lead.

You seem to take it a little offensively when someone isn't making a positive reference to Prince. And I'm saying this after witnessing you defending him in at least 30 threads in the past week We get it. You love HNR.

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funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

The people he recruited for his initial bands were largely people from his neighborhood, and look at the music he did.

Also the guy is famous for his insane work ethic and hours, I think you're way out of your depth calling him "lazy". Plus saying he lacks confidence -- really this is just nonsense, you're just pushing buttons to see what kind of reaction you'll get.

You are behind the times. Prince hasn't been that guy we all remember for a looong time. He's not clocking marathon sessions in the studio anymore, and to the extent he is there, the music is not hot. All the flop albums have caught up to him and broken his confidence in his own ability to make hits.

If you read his press over the last 18 months and listen to the last 5 albums or so associated with him, his protoges are doing the lion's share and I get the impression he doesn't put the work in anymore. If he does, where is there any evidence of it? PlecElec was a group effort featuring cover-songs and stuff Donna used to play on Youtube. AOA and HNR are almost completely Josh solo albums. All the one-off singles are either Josh or 3Eg or covers. If Prince is soo confident, and working sooo hard then where is the music?

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Aerogram said:

funksterr said:

You are behind the times. Prince hasn't been that guy we all remember for a looong time. He's not clocking marathon sessions in the studio anymore, and to the extent he is there, the music is not hot. All the flop albums have caught up to him and broken his confidence in his own ability to make hits.

If you read his press over the last 18 months and listen to the last 5 albums or so associated with him, his protoges are doing the lion's share and I get the impression he doesn't put the work in anymore. If he does, where is there any evidence of it? PlecElec was a group effort featuring cover-songs and stuff Donna used to play on Youtube. AOA and HNR are almost completely Josh solo albums. All the one-off singles are either Josh or 3Eg or covers. If Prince is soo confident, and working sooo hard then where is the music?

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Sure mate, he practically lives at his studio, has a house band, a horn section he can call, we hear about new songs, albums, etc. but he's not working on music according to your authoritative self. Also you're a natural born psychologist and just know he lacks confidence. You are just taking your musings as gospel or more likely you just like to bait.

Having a studio in his house doesn't mean he using it very much. Having a band on his payroll really doesn't help your argument. I'll ask you again since you didn't answer the last time... Where are the 'the written, produced and performed by Prince' tracks? Why is Prince's name on 2 albums that barely feature his involvement, if he is sooo confident that he still has it?

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

funksterr said: Sure mate, he practically lives at his studio, has a house band, a horn section he can call, we hear about new songs, albums, etc. but he's not working on music according to your authoritative self. Also you're a natural born psychologist and just know he lacks confidence. You are just taking your musings as gospel or more likely you just like to bait.

Having a studio in his house doesn't mean he using it very much. Having a band on his payroll really doesn't help your argument. I'll ask you again since you didn't answer the last time... Where are the 'the written, produced and performed by Prince' tracks? Why is Prince's name on 2 albums that barely feature his involvement, if he is sooo confident that he still has it?

He has written songs, melodies, lyrics, he sings and plays guitar and bass. He hasn't programmed the beats and added sound effects. I would say that he is involved.

alandail said:

I heard Prince only sang and played guitar on most of the songs on Purple Rain. I guess we're not supposed to like that?

Oh God this again?

Surely the end product is what matters?

If you don't like Hitnrnun - fair enough, but not liking it because Josh (allegedly - never trust a Prince album credit!) plays the bulk of the instruments seems a bit dumb.

I'm not saying it's not impressive that Prince can pretty much single-handedly pull together an album by himself, just that it's not an absolute necessity!

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

funksterr said: Sure mate, he practically lives at his studio, has a house band, a horn section he can call, we hear about new songs, albums, etc. but he's not working on music according to your authoritative self. Also you're a natural born psychologist and just know he lacks confidence. You are just taking your musings as gospel or more likely you just like to bait.

Having a studio in his house doesn't mean he using it very much. Having a band on his payroll really doesn't help your argument. I'll ask you again since you didn't answer the last time... Where are the 'the written, produced and performed by Prince' tracks? Why is Prince's name on 2 albums that barely feature his involvement, if he is sooo confident that he still has it?

1 it's not a studio in his house, it's him practically living at his own studio complex; 2 Prince has recorded tons of things on his own and tons with other people throughout his career; 3 The fact the last three albums were him collaborating doesn't mean he doesn't have songs recorded on his own (he does), it just means he's focusing on collaborative work right now.

For a guy that's supposed to be a longtime fan, you really don't seem to be that familiar with his history and the way he operates.

Aerogram said:

funksterr said:

Having a studio in his house doesn't mean he using it very much. Having a band on his payroll really doesn't help your argument. I'll ask you again since you didn't answer the last time... Where are the 'the written, produced and performed by Prince' tracks? Why is Prince's name on 2 albums that barely feature his involvement, if he is sooo confident that he still has it?

1 it's not a studio in his house, it's him practically living at his own studio complex; 2 Prince has recorded tons of things on his own and tons with other people throughout his career; 3 The fact the last three albums were him collaborating doesn't mean he doesn't have songs recorded on his own (he does), it just means he's focusing on collaborative work right now.

For a guy that's supposed to be a longtime fan, you really don't seem to be that familiar with his history and the way he operates.

It also doesn't mean he does have songs or that he believes in them very much since he hasn't released them. It's been 5 YEARS since we've seen any evidence of original solo Prince material. But we have 5 or 6 albums of collaboration with others. Name ANY OTHER PERIOD IN PRINCE"S CAREER when that has happened????? I'll just answer for you: It hasn't. Not even during Tora Tora and Sonny T years.

He's healthy enough to tour occasionaly, when he can be bothered. He has more distribution options than ever before. Zero contractual obligations in his way. WB ready to do remasters and outtakes. The world would seem to be at his feet, yet he is more MIA than ever before in the studio. In his place we have a 3 years behind popular trends, cornball, vanilla, bore doing Prince's production work for him.

Hell yeah, Prince is lazy and I'm positive his confidence in his own production abilities was completely shattered by 20Ten.

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And Mike Jagger only did the vocals on the Rolling Stones albums. Not sure what the point of upset is here.

Would it have been ok if the album had been released under the name 3rdeyeboy instead?

Poor old princey. Fans have been slagging him off for years to let someone else produce, and to get out of rut, and when he does, all we get is 'its the wrong producer, its the wrong rut".

LeonardZelig said:

funksterr said:

You are behind the times. Prince hasn't been that guy we all remember for a looong time. He's not clocking marathon sessions in the studio anymore, and to the extent he is there, the music is not hot. All the flop albums have caught up to him and broken his confidence in his own ability to make hits.

If you read his press over the last 18 months and listen to the last 5 albums or so associated with him, his protoges are doing the lion's share and I get the impression he doesn't put the work in anymore. If he does, where is there any evidence of it? PlecElec was a group effort featuring cover-songs and stuff Donna used to play on Youtube. AOA and HNR are almost completely Josh solo albums. All the one-off singles are either Josh or 3Eg or covers. If Prince is soo confident, and working sooo hard then where is the music?

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So after Prince spends DECADES in the music industry working his BUTT off, he now decides to give the shine to proteges & collaborators (not like he didnt do this before anyway) and there is a problem with that? I dont see many of the proteges/collaborators currently working with him really doing much to even promote themselves or their projects, some like to just come on websites and bash a person who has done much to help them. But they tend to forget about that dont they FUNKSTER? Prince has PAID his dues in the industry and then some, he really dont have to do anything at this point and still sells out ARENAS, where he so gracefully shares the stage with OTHERS right FUNKSTER?

Most ICONS like Prince, Janet, Madonna arent clocking in as much studio time anymore and have many collaborators working on their projects, the ICONS contribution is less than 10% outside of singing. It has nothing to do with confidence, they all want to focus their attention on other things after spending DECADES (30+ yrs!) in the MAINSTREAM and there isnt anything wrong with that. God forbid the man takes time to be a normal f*cking human being.

SO then you AGREE with me then that Prince really isn't doing his job much anymore. You say he's all tired and old and needed a break. I say he's busy chasing tail and spending money, instead of making hot tracks.

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

1 it's not a studio in his house, it's him practically living at his own studio complex; 2 Prince has recorded tons of things on his own and tons with other people throughout his career; 3 The fact the last three albums were him collaborating doesn't mean he doesn't have songs recorded on his own (he does), it just means he's focusing on collaborative work right now.

For a guy that's supposed to be a longtime fan, you really don't seem to be that familiar with his history and the way he operates.

It also doesn't mean he does have songs or that he believes in them very much since he hasn't released them. It's been 5 YEARS since we've seen any evidence of original solo Prince material. But we have 5 or 6 albums of collaboration with others. Name ANY OTHER PERIOD IN PRINCE"S CAREER when that has happened????? I'll just answer for you: It hasn't. Not even during Tora Tora and Sonny T years.

He's healthy enough to tour occasionaly, when he can be bothered. He has more distribution options than ever before. Zero contractual obligations in his way. WB ready to do remasters and outtakes. The world would seem to be at his feet, yet he is more MIA than ever before in the studio. In his place we have a 3 years behind popular trends, cornball, vanilla, bore doing Prince's production work for him.

Hell yeah, Prince is lazy and I'm positive his confidence in his own production abilities was completely shattered by 20Ten.

You're just a guy who likes to argue. Solo songs were released in the last five years -- go do your research and start another shaky logic thread.

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Aerogram said:

You're just a guy who likes to argue. Solo songs were released in the last five years -- go do your research and start another shaky logic thread.

I honestly can't think of any. And apparantley neither can you because you would have named them. I am so unimpressed with his recent material that it's usually one listen and done for me.

Even if Solo Prince songs exist, from recent years, there are not many. The ratio would probably be something like 10 colabs per 1 Prince solo track. That's NEVER happened before in Prince's career.

He's lazy and his confidence is broken.

LeonardZelig said:

funksterr said:

SO then you AGREE with me then that Prince really isn't doing his job much anymore. You say he's all tired and old and needed a break. I say he's busy chasing tail and spending money, instead of making hot tracks.

I dont know the percentage of Prince's contribution to the album. I know Madonna's contribution to her latest album was 10% writing and all singing . My mistake for grouping them together. My point was collaborating with other talent isnt unheard of in the icon world and seeing as though they have PAID THEIR DUES and then some they have the freedom to decide on whatever it is they want to contribute. Experimenting and trying new workflows is a beautiful thing. Just because you arent feeling something doesnt mean it isnt good or that someone else wont like it. It just means it isnt your cup of tea. You act like the man committed a crime. Dude has got 30 yrs of ALL PRINCE produced material, MORE THAN ENOUGH. He's put in the work, he's done his "job".

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What's the point of a pair of Prince albums that do not feature Prince on keys?? That's criminal. I'm all for a producer in and advisory sense, but I don't want to hear Josh's music instead of Prince.

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

You're just a guy who likes to argue. Solo songs were released in the last five years -- go do your research and start another shaky logic thread.

I honestly can't think of any. And apparantley neither can you because you would have named them. I am so unimpressed with his recent material that it's usually one listen and done for me.

Even if Solo Prince songs exist, from recent years, there are not many. The ratio would probably be something like 10 colabs per 1 Prince solo track. That's NEVER happened before in Prince's career.

He's lazy and his confidence is broken.

From Purple Rain to (and including) Parade, on his own albums, he was quite collaborative. You could have said he lacked confidence back then I guess. That's why your little theory is too simplistic.

lezama said:

funksterr said:

Mindflux said:

funksterr said:

What's the point of a pair of Prince albums that do not feature Prince on keys?? That's criminal. I'm all for a producer in and advisory sense, but I don't want to hear Josh's music instead of Prince.

You have no idea how much input was from whom. And just because Prince says somebody did something......well, we have massive amounts of evidence from the very beginning of his career that it might now have gone down like he says. I agree with Aero - you're making wild assumptions and ridiculous accusations with no evidence, just to get a reaction. There are fee artists who have been as prolific as Prince and few to have such a long career. Even less take the sort of chances he still does after such a long time and his capacity for reinvention is almost peerless - so excuse me if your assertions that he lacks confidence and is lazy are just utterly laughable!

So you don't want to BELIEVE Prince, when he says Josh did basically everything. Um.. ok. I'll tell you this, though... Josh is no entertainer and all, but he's appears to be a good person and I don't think he is lying when he said that's all him and Prince is barely involved.

funksterr said:

Mindflux said:

funksterr said: You have no idea how much input was from whom. And just because Prince says somebody did something......well, we have massive amounts of evidence from the very beginning of his career that it might now have gone down like he says. I agree with Aero - you're making wild assumptions and ridiculous accusations with no evidence, just to get a reaction. There are fee artists who have been as prolific as Prince and few to have such a long career. Even less take the sort of chances he still does after such a long time and his capacity for reinvention is almost peerless - so excuse me if your assertions that he lacks confidence and is lazy are just utterly laughable!

So you don't want to BELIEVE Prince, when he says Josh did basically everything. Um.. ok. I'll tell you this, though... Josh is no entertainer and all, but he's appears to be a good person and I don't think he is lying when he said that's all him and Prince is barely involved.

"All him and Prince is barely involved"?

Okay. Um... what? None of the interviews or comments I've seen from Josh suggest that, really.

EddieC said:

funksterr said:

So you don't want to BELIEVE Prince, when he says Josh did basically everything. Um.. ok. I'll tell you this, though... Josh is no entertainer and all, but he's appears to be a good person and I don't think he is lying when he said that's all him and Prince is barely involved.

"All him and Prince is barely involved"?

Okay. Um... what? None of the interviews or comments I've seen from Josh suggest that, really.

Then you aren't paying attention. We've heard 'Prince doesn't touch a single instrument', 'Prince only plays guitars and nothing else on an entire Prince album', 'Prince listens to the finished tracks and usually doesn't change anything', 'Who would have thought I'd let a kid produce me', 'Prince sneaks in the studio to check on my progress and I don't know he's there' on and on.

Prince isn't working on the music. It's all Josh, with Prince adding like 10 percent or so at the end.

Se7en said:

Heeeeeyyyyyyy Valentina!

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funksterr said:

EddieC said:

"All him and Prince is barely involved"?

Okay. Um... what? None of the interviews or comments I've seen from Josh suggest that, really.

Then you aren't paying attention. We've heard 'Prince doesn't touch a single instrument', 'Prince only plays guitars and nothing else on an entire Prince album', 'Prince listens to the finished tracks and usually doesn't change anything', 'Who would have thought I'd let a kid produce me', 'Prince sneaks in the studio to check on my progress and I don't know he's there' on and on.

Prince isn't working on the music. It's all Josh, with Prince adding like 10 percent or so at the end.

He is paying attention and you are seriously exaggarating what has been said. The actual quote is "When it comes to the mixing part it's pretty stressful because, you know, he (Prince) hears in Wi-Fi!" Suggesting much larger involvement than "barely". Josh continues, "A lot of times, I learn from being around him and I'm flattered when I give him a track and he won't even add any instruments but just WRITE A SONG TO IT". So, not every track doesn't have Prince playing an instrument and you can infer from that comment that Josh is essentially giving Prince a groove, an idea, and then Prince write the music.

So, we have Prince SOMETIMES not adding any instrumentation, writing the music and lyrics himself, singing most of the vocals, constantly sneaking in to the studio to check on what Joshua is doing and also being heavily involved in the mixing and engineering (which it also says on the cd liner notes). You are diminishing Prince's involvement to pursue your own nonsensical agenda.

And, furthermore, despite not having any quotes to hand, I can pretty much guarantee there are plenty of threads where you are disbelieving something Prince has said!

trax said:

Its only ONE album!! I really don't understand why people jump go nuts and jump off the deep end. Its ONE album. Personally I think its a good album. so what if Josh plays on it. NPG played on several albums as did Sheila and the Lovesexy band and the Revolution. Why does it matter? Man people here just can't be satisfied. I am glad Prince is trying something different. He has done it for so long its time to do something different. I think this album finally has a current and fresh sound to it. Its not his best album but its good and very fun!! He did ONE acoustic album and its not like he flooded us wih tons of acoustic albums. Same goes for his Piano album. He did not punish us with loads of Piano albums after that. He wanted to do an electronic/club album and did it well. I like it. He has now done an entire rock album, religious album, R&B, electro, acoustic, jazz, classical and funk. Now I hope he does a blues album or country album. I love the fact that he can and does genre style albums because he can. Why not do it all!!?? It keeps things fun and interesting. If yo don't like it just don't buy it but don't continuing to ruin it for the fans that do like his new music and would like to celebrate it here. This site really makes people not like Prince at all or for the newbies it really discourages them because they think EVERYHTING by him sucks except for Sign o the times and purple rain because thats all that you read here

You echoed my thoughts precisely, thank you. I think this is further away from "anything he's ever done before" than even SOTT was. I know I'm listening to something good when it takes 8-10 listens for it to grow on me. This is his best album of the new millennium.

Mindflux said:

funksterr said:

Then you aren't paying attention. We've heard 'Prince doesn't touch a single instrument', 'Prince only plays guitars and nothing else on an entire Prince album', 'Prince listens to the finished tracks and usually doesn't change anything', 'Who would have thought I'd let a kid produce me', 'Prince sneaks in the studio to check on my progress and I don't know he's there' on and on.

Prince isn't working on the music. It's all Josh, with Prince adding like 10 percent or so at the end.

He is paying attention and you are seriously exaggarating what has been said. The actual quote is "When it comes to the mixing part it's pretty stressful because, you know, he (Prince) hears in Wi-Fi!" Suggesting much larger involvement than "barely". Josh continues, "A lot of times, I learn from being around him and I'm flattered when I give him a track and he won't even add any instruments but just WRITE A SONG TO IT". So, not every track doesn't have Prince playing an instrument and you can infer from that comment that Josh is essentially giving Prince a groove, an idea, and then Prince write the music.

So, we have Prince SOMETIMES not adding any instrumentation, writing the music and lyrics himself, singing most of the vocals, constantly sneaking in to the studio to check on what Joshua is doing and also being heavily involved in the mixing and engineering (which it also says on the cd liner notes). You are diminishing Prince's involvement to pursue your own nonsensical agenda.

And, furthermore, despite not having any quotes to hand, I can pretty much guarantee there are plenty of threads where you are disbelieving something Prince has said!

Nah.. that's not the quote I was thinking of. Actually you are quoting an interview from 2014, but tbh, I feel like you have made my point for me and we actually agree mostly. I say it 90/10 Josh and you say it 70/30 Josh. Not a big difference, imo. The point remains the same.... Josh is the primary artist on a Prince album which is indefensible.

Don't even get me started on Prince doing "engineering'. GEEZ, is that a first, btw?

Prince is the engineer now, huh, lol. I think that's just another way to credit him since it's his album, his deal, his building. WTF can he be engineering on a freaking MacBook anyway??? I think his engineer credit is nothing more than him setting up his own guitar rig. Also, I said I believe Joshua would not lie about his involvement on the album. And Josh (Prince too!) has made it clear that HNR is his baby.

funksterr said:

Mindflux said:

He is paying attention and you are seriously exaggarating what has been said. The actual quote is "When it comes to the mixing part it's pretty stressful because, you know, he (Prince) hears in Wi-Fi!" Suggesting much larger involvement than "barely". Josh continues, "A lot of times, I learn from being around him and I'm flattered when I give him a track and he won't even add any instruments but just WRITE A SONG TO IT". So, not every track doesn't have Prince playing an instrument and you can infer from that comment that Josh is essentially giving Prince a groove, an idea, and then Prince write the music.

So, we have Prince SOMETIMES not adding any instrumentation, writing the music and lyrics himself, singing most of the vocals, constantly sneaking in to the studio to check on what Joshua is doing and also being heavily involved in the mixing and engineering (which it also says on the cd liner notes). You are diminishing Prince's involvement to pursue your own nonsensical agenda.

And, furthermore, despite not having any quotes to hand, I can pretty much guarantee there are plenty of threads where you are disbelieving something Prince has said!

Nah.. that's not the quote I was thinking of. Actually you are quoting an interview from 2014, but tbh, I feel like you have made my point for me and we actually agree mostly. I say it 90/10 Josh and you say it 70/30 Josh. Not a big difference, imo. The point remains the same.... Josh is the primary artist on a Prince album which is indefensible.

Don't even get me started on Prince doing "engineering'. GEEZ, is that a first, btw?

Prince is the engineer now, huh, lol. I think that's just another way to credit him since it's his album, his deal, his building. WTF can he be engineering on a freaking MacBook anyway??? I think his engineer credit is nothing more than him setting up his own guitar rig. Also, I said I believe Joshua would not lie about his involvement on the album. And Josh (Prince too!) has made it clear that HNR is his baby.

No, he's not.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/31/prince-interview-hitnrun

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