4. Ice Cream Castle pt 1

On 26th and 27th March 1983, during the 2nd leg of [Prince]'s "1999"-Tour, [Prince] spends two days at Hollywood Sunset Sound to work with [Morris Day] and [Jesse Johnson] on tracks for THE TIME's third album. This was the first time, that some members of band were involved in the production process. They cut Jungle love, My summertime thang and an impromptu jam entitled Cloreen bacon skin, which was only released by [Prince] on his 1998 [Crystal Ball] album. My summertime thang finally didn't make it on this release, but a re-recorded version surfaced on THE TIME's 1990 reunion album [Pandemonium].

From 14th to 22nd April 1983, the "1999"-Tour ends 4 only days before, [Prince] works with [Morris Day] and [Jesse Johnson] at Hollywood Sunset Sound again. Amongst other tracks they recorded Chili sauce, If the kid can't make you come and Chocolate. The last song didn't make it to this album too, but like My summertime thang, a reworked version turned up on the 1990 reunion album [Pandemonium].

On 19th April 1983, a song called Velvet kitty kat (sometimes also entitled as "Mink kitty kat") and on 20th April 1983, a ballad entitled My love belongs to you were recorded too. Both were previously unreleased until now.

On 18th April 1983, [Prince] called [Jimmy Jam] and [Terry Lewis] into Hollywood Sunset Sound, and told them, that they were both let go from THE TIME. The duo stays in Los Angeles at the same time and working on the S.O.S. Band project at Larrabee Studios in West Hollywood. On 16th May 1983 [Prince] appears at the 3rd annual Minnesota Music Awards at the Charlton Celebrity Room in Bloomington and was finally honored with six awards. He thanked Minneapolis for its support and ended the night with a 10-minute jam of "D.M.S.R." on borrowed equipment with a mix of members of his own band, [Morris Day], [Jesse Johnson] and Vanity 6. Later this night they performed a jam session at First Avenue in Minneapolis with [Jesse Johnson] on drums and Sue Ann Carwell singing the lead vocals. Also in May 1983 [Prince], THE TIME and Vanity 6 starts preparations for the "Purple Rain" motion picture project. A warehouse in St. Louis Park, a Minneapolis suburb, was rented for band rehearsals and dancing and acting classes. [Prince] also installed most of his recording equipment and this warehouse becomes his new home studio for about 12 months. The line-up of THE TIME finally underwent some more changes. [Monte Moir] made the decision to leave the band when he heard, that [Jimmy Jam] and [Terry Lewis] had been let go by Prince. [Terry Lewis] was replaced on bass by [Rocky Harris], a local musician who knew [Jesse Johnson]. The replacements for [Jimmy Jam] and [Monte Moir] on keyboards were found in [Paul Peterson], a member of Twin-Cities first family in jazz and [Mark Cardenas], a Los Angeles native, who had been working in jazz-rock fusion circles in Minneapolis a few years before. On 4th October 1983, the new THE TIME line-up premiered live at First Avenue in Minneapolis. [Jerome Benton] introduced the show, enlisting the help of several bikini-clad models. He also did a soul-preacher routine, begging the audience for donations and passing a plate through the audience for their contributions to a charity fund. THE TIME played an 8-song set that includes two at this time previously unknown tracks - Jungle love and The bird. The concert was taped professional with a mobile recording unit and the live-version of The bird finally ended up on THE TIME's third album [Ice Cream Castle]. Despite a wildly receptive audience, this concert was filled with tension and it was obvious, that [Morris Day] was beginning to loose interest in the band. At the end of the show he stormed off the stage, bypassed the dressing room, and charged out the stagedoor to his Porsche. The confused band members remained behind for a somewhat tainted celebration. [Morris Day] was very dissatisfied with [Prince]'s firm control of THE TIME and the hand-picked additions to the band. Despite achieving a big commercial success with the previously two albums of THE TIME, he was also still seeing very little money for his work. The shooting to the "Purple Rain" motion picture starts on 1st November 1983. The new bass player [Rocky Harris] showed up late for the first day of filming and was replaced by [Prince] with [Jerry Hubbard], from a noted Twin-Cities musical family, immediately. [Morris Day] was very uncooperative and chronically late to all rehearsals and filmings. He and [Prince] hardly talked with each other during the whole shooting of the movie. At one day of filming both ended up in a real fistfight and [Jellybean Johnson] had to break it up. It was evident, that they both would soon be going their separate ways without each other.

Starting on 27th December 1983, [Prince] relocates for four months to Los Angeles for some additional shootings to the "Purple Rain" motion picture and extensive recording sessions for his own "Purple Rain" album, and a new project called Apollonia 6 at Hollywood Sunset Sound. In January 1984 he also finished the work for THE TIME's third album by recording Ice cream castles and My drawers. Tricky, that appeared as the 7inch b-side of Ice cream castles, was recorded with [Morris Day] shortly thereafter in February 1984.

On 8th June 1984, THE TIME, led by [Jesse Johnson], performed Jungle love live on the 3rd annual Minnesota Black Music Awards at the Prom Center in St. Paul. [Morris Day] wasn't present at this event and his conspicuous absence sparked rumors, that THE TIME had broken up. In late June 1984 [Morris Day] was definitely no longer interested to continuing his work with THE TIME, has moved to Santa Monica in Los Angeles (CA) and severed ties with [Prince]'s camp and his management team. Their departures weren't announced officially until after the premiere of the "Purple Rain" motion picture. Without [Morris Day], it was basically [Jesse Johnson] who leads the band. [Prince] initially wanted continue THE TIME by installing [Paul Peterson] as new frontman and lead-singer, but [Jesse Johnson] rejected this idea. After failed attempts to convince [Morris Day] to return to Minneapolis, all come to the conclusion, that THE TIME was history. [Jerry Hubbard] and [Mark Cardenas] decided to continue working solo with [Jesse Johnson]. The remaining members [Jellybean Johnson], [Jerome Benton] and [Paul Peterson] were invited by [Prince] to a meeting at his house, where he offered [Paul Peterson] to front a new band called The Family as the lead-singer. This project was later joined by [Prince]'s girlfriend Susannah Melvoin on co-lead vocals.

On 15th March 1983, Prince returns in triumph to Minneapolis for a concert at 13,500-seat Met Center in Bloomington. A post-show bash was held at the Registry Hotel in Bloomington. At 2:00 am, some members of [Prince]'s band, Vanity 6 and THE TIME played a short jam session with Prince on the drums and Sue Ann Carwell(?) singing.

SoulAlive said:

I miss The Time! Such an exciting band!!

I was listening 2 the Time backing Vanity 6 on the 1999 tour. The music was beautiful, I mean they really duplicated the sound Prince was defining and played it it. Vanity 6 flowed well too

http://beldonsbluespoint....f-our.html

Here is part 2 of our interview with Jellybean Johnson, drummer for The Time. In it, he talks about, among other things, how real tension between Prince and The Time made Purple Rain a hit; playing with Ronnie Baker Brooks and Bernard Allison and why, when it comes to the blues, his instrument is the guitar and not the drums.

Johnson: And trust me, he used that—that had been going on for a couple of years—he used that to his advantage in that movie. And this is why he actually kicked Terry and Jimmy out of the fucking Time! Right before Purple Rain! Go back and watch Purple Rain. Jimmy and Terry—and people to this day think they are (in the movie). They’re not in Purple Rain. They’re not! He kicked them out! And it was supposed to be Morris’ band. He (Prince) fired them a few days before, and that’s why they went on to be famous producers.

Ice Cream Castles outtake

My summertime thang #1
originally recorded 26th-27th March 1983 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & [Jesse Johnson] at Sunset Sound [7] during the [Ice Cream Castle] Album sessions • performed by

[Prince] (all instruments & vocals)

[Morris Day] (lead vocals) &

[Jesse Johnson] (guitar)
written by [Prince]
previously unreleased

1. Ice Cream Castles
2. My Drawers
3. Chili Sauce
4. Jungle Love
5. If The Kid Can't Make You Come
6. The Bird

Sept 11, 1982 (Billboard)

Jan 8, 1983

November 17, 1984

I think it was cool how there was the Jamie Starr mystery,

The Time should have had a little more Controvery, a little more diversity to their direction and message

Thanks 4 sharing these clips

Ice cream castles (7:32)
recorded January 1984 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & [Jesse Johnson] at Sunset Sound [7] • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) & [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound [7]
written by [Prince] (uncredited) with [Morris Day] • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day]
finally released 1984 on the Album [Ice Cream Castle] • 1984 on the promo 12"-Single [Ice cream castles] • 1984 on the 12"-Single [Ice cream castles]

We are young, we are free on earth together
Let's fall in love
You are fine, you are white, I am of color
Let's fall in love

Ice cream castles in the summertime
Ice cream castles in the summer

I want you, you want me, we want each other
Is that so wrong?
It's raining mad sisters, why can't they realize
That it won't be long?

We're all ice cream castles in the summertime
Ice cream castles in the summer

Let's do something soon

We are young, we are free let's come together
Before the end
I am blue, you are too, what could be better?
Let's make friends

We're all ice cream castles in the summertime
Ice cream castles in the summertime

We're all ice cream castles in the summer
Ice cream castles in the fall
Ice cream castles in the summertime
Summertime, summertime, summertime

Is that what you need?
White girls, black girls, orientals, jamaican?

Ice cream castles in the summertime
We're all ice cream castles in the sun
Ice cream castles when we fall
Ice cream castles in the summertime, summertime

White girls, black girls, orientals, jamaican
I want you, you want me, we want each other
White girls, black girls
We are young, we are free on earth together

Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon

Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon
Let's do something, let's do something soon
We are young, we are free, let's come together

This thread is hot..!

thedance said:

This thread is hot..!

I KNEW the Time had a lot of action between 1981-1984 but we have only touched on all the shows and background scene info

I'm enjoying the Time even more now. I took a Vanity 6 show with the Time backing them up and turned it into a music file. Their playing is soooo Purple

OldFriends4Sale said:

My absolute FAVORITE band!! LOVE THIS THREAD!

thedance said:

This thread is hot..!

So fun to remember the shenanigans (like Jamie Starr, "LA producer") and appreciate The Time's great music. Haim covered Jungle Love at Cochella today so their influence continues. Wonder how all the mystery, bad pay, and hiding behind curtains would have played in the Internet age?

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. Ice Cream Castles
2. My Drawers
3. Chili Sauce
4. Chili Sauce
5. Jungle Love
6. If The Kid Can't Make You Come
7. The Bird

Somebody wanted extra chili sauce?

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread(in detail) yet, but i just wanted to thank you in advance. It looks as good as the For You thread, that you started.

I can tell that its gonna be a lot of good memories on this one.

Tricky (non-album track) (lead vocals by [Prince] co lead Morris Day) (3:11)
recorded February 1984 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] at Sunset Sound [7] • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & lead vocals) with [Morris Day] (drums & additional voices)
written by [Prince] with [Morris Day] • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day]
finally released 1984 on the 7"-Single [Ice cream castles] • 1984 on the 7"-Single [Jungle love] • 1984 on the 12"-Single [Ice cream castles]• 1984 on the 12"-Single [Jungle love]

Tricky (3:11) (lead vocals by Prince)

.... 1, 2, 3, 4
.... Why you big, tossed-salad, hairdo-havin', long, tall, snaggly gold-toothed,
.... funkin' habit-formed, leather-wearin', beanpole-lookin', black...

Shit! Oh! Somebody bring me a piece of chicken!

What... what Tricky say? What Tricky say? Yakety-yak?
Yakety-yak. My ass, mutha... Uh!
Oh, gimme some horns.

You can't fuck with that, look out!
We ain't gonna put no more instruments on this.
We ain't got time. We don't have ti... What time is it?
It's time for you to ... It's time for you to retire.
You're over... wait, wait, wait!

Why you, and you?
You... you old, Michelin Man, fat, black...

Break now. Yes!

When I look in the mirror. I see your ugly face.
I just wanna run, in front of...
Wait, gimme some horns.

Now you go. You, you..., wait, wait, wait.
Let me... wait. You, you, you're just old.
That's all I know, you're just old and you're fat.
You know it too, don't you?
You know it, you're just fat and old.
Hit me! Uh! Yes! Yes!
That's right, yes!

Johnny, Johnny!
Don't you wish you could get on TV? On the one!
.... My man, say: "Johnny, Johnny!"

4. Ice Cream Castles pt 2

The third album, [Ice Cream Castle], was released by Warner Bros. Records on 2nd July 1984. This record was in all essentials a collaboration effort between [Prince], [Morris Day] and [Jesse Johnson]. With the exception of The bird, which was a live recording by THE TIME from 4th October 1983, there was very little musical input by the other band members. The bird features [Morris Day] on lead vocals, [Jerome Benton] on percussion, [Jesse Johnson] on guitar, [Rocky Harris] on bass, [Jellybean Johnson] on drums and [Paul Peterson] and [Mark Cardenas] on keyboards. However, [Rocky Harris] were fired before scenes with THE TIME in the "Purple Rain" motion picture were shot, so on the album sleeve his replacement in the movie, [Jerry Hubbard], is listed as the bass player. Sharon Hughes sings background vocals on If the kid can't make you come and acts as [Morris Day]'s love interest on Chili sauce. The last song also features Novi Novog on violin.

"All jams by Morris Day, except 'Jungle love' written by Morris Day & Jesse Johnson" listed the songwriting credits on the album cover. However, Ice cream castles, Jungle love and The bird were registered as a collaboration by [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) with [Morris Day]. All other songs registered solely to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr). [Jesse Johnson] stated in an later interview, that he wrotes Jungle love and that he was removed from the credits when he decided to left THE TIME in June 1984. His claim is substantiated, because in May 1984, when the songs initially were registered to ASCAP, [Jesse Johnson] was listed together with [Prince] (as Jamie Starr) and [Morris Day] as co-writer of Jungle love and The bird, but his name was omitted in July 1984 by changing the songwriting credits on both songs.

[Ice Cream Castle] is the least satisfying of the three albums, reflecting the turmoil the band was going through. Boasting solid, funky grooves and contagious singalong chants, The bird and Jungle love were the closest the album gets to achieving the band's past glories. The opener Ice cream castles is a poppier effort, but there's little rhythmic or melodic variety throughout. The rest of the songs are clearly uninspired and have to qualify as fillers. My drawers is a dull, guitar-lasted funk-metal attempt (the main synth-line of the song is borrowed from the last few minutes of The stick). Sounding like a re-worked "Do me, baby" (1981, from the [Prince] album "Controversy") the dreary If the kid can't make you come is a watered-down electric piano ballad. Even less distinguished is Chili sauce, which basically consists of background music.

The songs on [Ice Cream Castle] deal with much the same topics as the previously two album by THE TIME. The bird is a straightforward party song, introducing a dance called the bird, which doesn't require grace or personality, just "two arms and an attitude". The only serious song on this album is Ice cream castles, which concerns interracial romance. [Morris Day] says, that if two people of different races want to fall in love, the color of their skin shouldn't matter, as in the end we all share a common humanity. The title of the song is borrowed from a phrase in Joni Mitchell's song "Both sides now" (1969, from the album "Clouds"). In My drawers [Morris Day] boasts to the fellas about his woman. Chili sauce finds him attempting to seduce his female companion while having a dinner in a restaurant. This song was originally titled "Proposition #17" due to the fact that [Morris Day] tells [Jerome Benton], that he can stop him after he has tried 17 ways to convince a woman to come with him. If the kid can't make you come is also a seduction song, this time with the action take place in [Morris Day's] crib. In Jungle love he wants to show a woman his wild and untamed jungle love.

CUT TO:

(7) INT. MORRIS' BEDROOM -- NIGHT

Morris moves lasciviously into the
BEDROOM wearing a red muscle T-shirt,
orange baggy shorts, and green knee-hi
socks fastened to garters. A yellow
bandanna holds up his hair.

The bedroom is a MESS. A VACUUM CLEANER
stands like a sentry in the middle of
the floor. He turns it on, blazes a
path to his closet. He yanks out a well-
pressed suit, holds it against him,
strikes a sexy, half-lidded pose only a
mother could love--

MORRIS
(awed)
Oh, Lord ...

This image is actually kinda sad 4 me, there seems to be a lot of background in this

The Starr ★ Company

My drawers (4:08)
recorded January 1984 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & [Jesse Johnson] at Sunset Sound [7] • performed by [Prince] (all instruments) with [Morris Day] (lead vocals) & [Jesse Johnson] (guitar) • final mixing January 1984 at Sunset Sound [7]
written by [Prince] (uncredited) • registered to [Prince] (as Jamie Starr)
finally released 1984 on the Album [Ice Cream Castle] • 1984 on the 12"-Single [The bird] • 1990 on the 7"-Single [Chocolate] • 1990 on the 12"-Single / CD-Single [Chocolate]

My drawers (edit) (3:42)
finally released 1984 on the promo 7"-Single [The bird] • 1984 on the 7"-Single [The bird] • 1984 on the promo 12"-Single [The bird]

Baby, when we go out, I got clout, cuz I'm your number one body rocker.
Fellas? - Yeah!
She'll make you scream, your insides shout, but let me tell you what it's all about.

(chorus)
She's mine, all mine. I'm her number one body rocker all of the time.
She's mine, all mine. You better find a brand new bag, cuz these is my drawers.

Baby, I'm so ashamed, cuz I'm all aflame. I mean you've got my body hot.
Fellas? - Yeah!
She's so fast, you'd never last, you couldn't deal with the funk she's got.

(repeat chorus)

Oh baby, this is your number one. Yes, I know you're young.
But we could have so much fun.
Jesse, if you could play guitar, I'll warm up the car.
And me and this girl can see the sun rise.

Whose drawers? - My drawers!

(repeat chorus)

Take it home!

JoeyC said:

I haven't had a chance to go through this thread(in detail) yet, but i just wanted to thank you in advance. It looks as good as the For You thread, that you started.

I can tell that its gonna be a lot of good memories on this one.

Catch up buddy, I know you have some good insight on some of this

He continued "Foster Sylvers was sitting next to me ... with Peggy M. as I laid the solo. I didn't put much into it because I knew from how LOW the volume was on my solo on "My Drawers" i[t] wasn't really going to get heard very well anyway. (Unless you laid on the speakers)." Since My Drawers was recorded in January, 1984, it seems likely his solo was recorded around the same time. Jesse Johnson was initially included in the credits when submitted for copyright in May, 1984, but after he left the band, his name was removed from the credits when the track was released.

On 8th June 1984, THE TIME, led by [Jesse Johnson], performed Jungle love live on the 3rd annual Minnesota Black Music Awards at the Prom Center in St. Paul. [Morris Day] wasn't present at this event and his conspicuous absence sparked rumors, that THE TIME had broken up.

In late June 1984 [Morris Day] was definitely no longer interested to continuing his work with THE TIME, has moved to Santa Monica in Los Angeles (CA) and severed ties with [Prince]'s camp and his management team. Their departures weren't announced officially until after the premiere of the "Purple Rain" motion picture. Without [Morris Day], it was basically [Jesse Johnson] who leads the band. [Prince] initially wanted continue THE TIME by installing [Paul Peterson] as new frontman and lead-singer, but [Jesse Johnson] rejected this idea. After failed attempts to convince [Morris Day] to return to Minneapolis, all come to the conclusion, that THE TIME was history.

Jesse [Johnson, former guitarist for the Time] is the only one who went away who told what happened, what really went down with the band. He said there was friction, because he was in a situation that didn't quite suit him. Jesse wanted to be in front all the time. And I just don't think God puts everybody in that particular bag. And sometimes I was blunt enough to say that to people: "I don't think you should be in the frontman. I think Morris should."

ROLLING STONE (1985)

BY NEAL KARLEN

God: 4 the rainbow

William Blinn: the story,

Alan Leeds: the expert.

Thanks 2 Don Thorin and all the cast & crew of Purple Rain

Clarence Williams, Olga Karlatos, Kim: hi,

Morris & Jerome, Katy, Billy Sparks: what up ‘tho? Richard Arrington,

(10) EXT. MORRIS' APARTMENT -- NIGHT

The DOOR opens -- Morris steps
confidently into the night. The change
in his appearance is breathtaking. A
cashmere coat is draped over his
shoulders, a white scarf hangs loosely
about his neck. Wearing a sharp,
gangster-style suit, his hair is a
pompadour, and Stacy Adams on his feet -
- Morris is the very picture of
elegance. He doesn't just walk to the
curb, he slides -- his promenade
punctuated with a dip at the knees you
could snap your fingers to.

JEROME is at the curb, buffing down the
bumper of a yellow, 1970 Fleetwood
Cadillac. Jerome is solidly built,
smooth-faced handsome with a boyish
charm all his own. He's a member of The
Time, and acts as Morris' chauffeur,
valet, and all-purpose shadow.

He moves quickly to the door, holds it
open as Morris settles himself into the
backseat. He closes it with a flair,
hops behind the wheel, pulls out.

'Let's Get Crazy" continues as we...

(15) EXT. CLUB (1st AVE. ST. BAR) -- NIGHT

Jerome opens the door of the CADDY,
helps Morris out. The CROWD recognizes
them immediately, rushes in for a closer
look. Morris loves the attention,
plays to their enthusiasm with a relish.
Jerome snaps a comb into his hand, holds
up a pocket mirror ...

Morris combs his hair dramatically, the
Crowd encouraging him on. Jerome gives
him the OK sign, ushers him into the
club.

"Let's Get Crazy" continues as we...

June 4, 1984 the Glamorous Life w/Sheila E. drops
June 7, 1984 1st Avenue Birthday show with Prince & the Revolution

June 25, 1984 Purple Rain w/Prince & the Revolution drops

Purple Rain movie premiere 7.29.1984

July 26. 1984

Mann's Chinese Theater Hollywood
6925 Hollywood Blvd.
MTV Live! Purple Rain Party Movie Premiere

performance by Sheila E.

We had carefully plotted a caravan of limos so as to orchestrate the arrivals of the various figures in the movie. One by one, limos deposited Billy Sparks, Morris Day and Jerome, The Time, Apollonia 6, Wendy & Lisa, Bobby Z, Dr. Fink and Brownmark. And they each worked their way up the red carpet, stopping for waves to fans, quick TV interviews and hundreds of photographers. The idea was, of course, that Prince would be the last to arrive and be met at curbside by a group of our security guys with whom we were in touch via walkie talkies (remember, this was before everyone had cell phones).
-Alan Leeds