Let's just say everybody has flaws , Prince too. What's new, who's perfect , nobody.

Lockwood88 said:

Let's just say everybody has flaws , Prince too. What's new, who's perfect , nobody.

Thy without a sin, cast the first stone.


Why does she feel the need to throw stones at him?

That's not very classy.


The way collegues love to bully Justin Bieber, is disgraceful. The kid never did anything to them personally, did he? So, why make it a national sport to bully one (very young) artist?



She should talk about herself, not badmouthing others.

SoulAlive said:

emesem said:

Doesnt suprise me at all. Reminds me of how he treated Sinead.

I think Prince has a problem with *strong* women who are opininated and can think for themselves With his own female proteges,there hasn't been too many issues because,for the most part, they just sit back and let him control everything.They don't challenge him,or question him.Sinead O' Connor and Meshell Ndegeocello don't appear to be weak women at all,lol.It's easy to see why he had problems with them.

how do you knbow that they dont ?, challenge etc..you dont

if prince didn't have a side to him that wasn't unpleasant..we wouldn't be here talking about him..the only reason he went from being a little black guy from the middle of nowhere (in music terms) and living in a friends basement to the biggest music star on the planet was because he was single minded and driven . he made decisions along the way that didnt endure him to a lot of people along the way . firing managers..firing other employees...plenty of former associates have spoken of his dark side so this is no real surprise. he is a control freak and likes everything his own way......thats not to say he doesn't have his good side as well..but he doesn't mess about and that is why he got where he is today.

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ethanthomas said:

emesem said:

Doesnt suprise me at all. Reminds me of how he treated Sinead. This is Prince's biggest tragedy. He does not seem to be able to be a real person and is incapable of just being a normal, nice guy. Its funny how we all made fun of Michael for pretty much the same and always thought "our guy" was so superior but in the end Prince and MJ are more alike than Prince is to the more grounded artist of his generation.

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I will reserve judgement until I hear both sides of the story

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros. What could the other side possibly be? Seems pretty straight forward.

JudasLChrist said:

ethanthomas said:

emesem said: I will reserve judgement until I hear both sides of the story

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros. What could the other side possibly be? Seems pretty straight forward.

So you was there with Prince and M when he called her that. Cool

Shame--this is a really good interview with a brilliant artist, but the magazine, wanting to sell ads, creates a sensational title that relates to a tenth of the article. I just hope most people who read the article get more from the rest of the article.

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Now, as it relates to his statement, Prince expressed his notion, idea, or position on Meshell working with Warner Bros only after she contacted him. Unless he's done anything else to her, I don't know how that one statement to her qualifies as him not being a nice person. I'm sure we can all connect this one statement to other things he's done, but being identified as not being a nice person because he simply voiced his opinion about something she was doing is stretching it a bit. Of course, now that Prince has a new deal with Warner Bros. some can call him a hypocrite, and some can defend him by stating that he's getting to keep his masters and that the deal he now has with Warner Bros is more of a distribution deal. (Yet, whatever one's position is on Prince for calling her a house nigger, we all can agree that one must be careful how one labels others because one does not know the life experiences of others and how those life experiences have shaped that person's behavior or choices. Also, terms like sell-out, Uncle Tom, and house nigger are equally as subjective as they are objective, which means one is sliding on a slippery slop whenever one attempts to identify someone else with those terms. Prince should remember how he has been and continues to be called those names since Purple Rain for various choices he has made.) At any rate, I would be more bothered by his words to her if he had approached her unsolicited and said, "Hey, Meshell, you're a house nigger," but it seems to me that she asked him to play on her record, and he declined citing socio-political differences, such as "I don't want to work for people who work for the oppressor." We can disagree with his position, but him having that position and expressing it--only after being solicited by her--does not make him a "mean" or "bad" person. It simply means that he is forthcoming about his views and position. Yet, again, even I've spent too much time on this because there are more significant ideas in the article than Prince not being a nice person.

Meshell obviously knew that they would pick that statement out. She not stupid. opened up his Glam Slam club for her to per4rm. So that is far from him not being a mean person. Plus she turns around & does a WHOLE tour of strictly 's material. Smh

Its obviously a publicity ploy she doing...

JudasLChrist said:

ethanthomas said:

emesem said: I will reserve judgement until I hear both sides of the story

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros. What could the other side possibly be? Seems pretty straight forward.

This lacks context.

Let me bring some to the table.

When this happened, Prince and Warners were very much at war. Not too long before this, Warners were still releasing material that Prince had given them in order to fulfil his contract. Stuff like "The Vault : Old Friends For Sale".

So, Meshell comes to Prince asking him to feature on a song she's doing that'll be released on Warners? Of course he's gonna laugh in her face and tell her what he really thinks.

But Meshell bringing that up now is irrelevant. Prince WON the battle with Warners. He got his masters back and signed again with them on HIS terms. Warners, right now, are spending a great deal of money promoting Art Official Age. They're releasing Plectrum Electrum, a decidely uncommercial record. And Prince still owns the rights to BOTH these records.

I'm not sure what she was insinuating with that tweet, but if her point was that he's being hypocritical, then like I said, it completely lacks context.

Aside to which - Prince was nothing but nice when I met him - seems others will say the same. I think it's highly judgemental to make blanket statements like "he's not a nice person".

Militant said:

JudasLChrist said:

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros. What could the other side possibly be? Seems pretty straight forward.

This lacks context.

Let me bring some to the table.

When this happened, Prince and Warners were very much at war. Not too long before this, Warners were still releasing material that Prince had given them in order to fulfil his contract. Stuff like "The Vault : Old Friends For Sale".

So, Meshell comes to Prince asking him to feature on a song she's doing that'll be released on Warners? Of course he's gonna laugh in her face and tell her what he really thinks.

But Meshell bringing that up now is irrelevant. Prince WON the battle with Warners. He got his masters back and signed again with them on HIS terms. Warners, right now, are spending a great deal of money promoting Art Official Age. They're releasing Plectrum Electrum, a decidely uncommercial record. And Prince still owns the rights to BOTH these records.

I'm not sure what she was insinuating with that tweet, but if her point was that he's being hypocritical, then like I said, it completely lacks context.

Aside to which - Prince was nothing but nice when I met him - seems others will say the same. I think it's highly judgemental to make blanket statements like "he's not a nice person".

is #Winning! He should be commended here for his accomplishment. He waited & got exactly what he wanted from Warners. Even if it took almost 20 years! He should be on CLOUD 9 about now.

blackbob said:

if prince didn't have a side to him that wasn't unpleasant..we wouldn't be here talking about him..the only reason he went from being a little black guy from the middle of nowhere (in music terms) and living in a friends basement to the biggest music star on the planet was because he was single minded and driven . he made decisions along the way that didnt endure him to a lot of people along the way . firing managers..firing other employees...plenty of former associates have spoken of his dark side so this is no real surprise. he is a control freak and likes everything his own way......thats not to say he doesn't have his good side as well..but he doesn't mess about and that is why he got where he is today.

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Very true. Certain characteristics of personality that are not always publically valued (being defiant, highly persistent, highly self-confident (which could in some people be considered arrogance), willing to go against public opinion etc) can be double edge swords.. in the short term you may not be appreciated, but in the long term such things prevent you from settling for anything less than what you think you can get (as long as you have the talent, persistence and/or value to back up your defiance), it can also allow you to transform structures and systems that otherwise exist largely only to exploit you (e.g. the record industry he started in and helped transform). Many of the super successful share this characteristic.

lezama said:

Prince the rock star is not a nice person. Prince the person however is.

luvsexy4all said:

Prince the rock star is not a nice person. Prince the person however is.

That's a cool way of putting it

I like the song they posted with this article.

He can be an ass, he can be charming, he can be a lot of things, he's a human being, doesn't make me mad at him.

Sorry they didn't click.

I got her first album ages ago but had no clue she was even still in music.

JudasLChrist said:

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros.

Prince is not a subtle person,is he? I know he was at war with Warners when he made that comment,but damn....he didn't have to use those exact words! That's just rude and mean.

SoulAlive said:

JudasLChrist said:

He called her a "house nigger" for making a record with Warner Brothers, and now he's on Warner Bros.

Prince is not a subtle person,is he? I know he was at war with Warners when he made that comment,but damn....he didn't have to use those exact words! That's just rude and mean.

If the shoe fits.....

Graycap23 said:

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

I'm a very big supported of Meshell, but her last really project was Man of my Dreams. After that project it has been 3 or albums of mostly misses for me. I still support her though. The last concert I saw her live at, President Obama crashed the set. He was sitting 2 rows over from me.

Welcome back Gray!

Thank u kindly.........

3rdeyedude said:

ah let's face it........prince is probably a dick

Probably?!? Oh please. Prince has been a dick since the Dirty Mind era!

SoulAlive said:

emesem said:

Doesnt suprise me at all. Reminds me of how he treated Sinead.

I think Prince has a problem with *strong* women who are opininated and can think for themselves With his own female proteges,there hasn't been too many issues because,for the most part, they just sit back and let him control everything.They don't challenge him,or question him.Sinead O' Connor and Meshell Ndegeocello don't appear to be weak women at all,lol.It's easy to see why he had problems with them.

You can add Bonnie Raitt to that list of strong women. Somehow, Prince seems to respect her better than Sinead & Meshell.

Stymie said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

Stymie said:

One of the last times I saw her she showed up two and hours late for the gig and played with her back to us for the majority of the set.

Yeah she is extra for sure. Good friend of mine played with her for several years. Saying Prince is not nice is laughable coming from her [Edited 9/9/14 15:17pm]

She has always been really nice when I have seen her. I loved her Prince covers tour. Here is Lady Cab Driver...

morningsong said:

I like the song they posted with this article.

He can be an ass, he can be charming, he can be a lot of things, he's a human being, doesn't make me mad at him.

Sorry they didn't click.

Exactly,, every CEO i know and Steve Jobs the same can be said,,these folks dont let nothing stand in their way or stop them from doing what tjey do..NOt for the faint of heart

3rdeyedude said:

http://loldarian.blogspot.ca/2007/05/why-meshell-ndegeocello-will-remain-on.html

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