Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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^Nope, there are little keyboard flourishes in "Solo". Pretty sure that's P. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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Doubt there's any guitar or bass on it. Maybe synths. ...every night another symphony... | |
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This had been my recollection as well. As I look into the song history again, though, the collaboration was with librettist David Henry Hwang, who did write the lyrics. But Prince performed vocals and music. [Edited 1/10/14 0:31am] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Right, and like 777-9311 Alexa de Paris could easily have been done over and over and cut and put together.
. Initial tracking took place on 21 April, 1985 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (the day after Old Friends 4 Sale, Others Here With Us and Tibet, the same day as Life Can Be So Nice, the day before the release of Around The World In A Day and two days before recording Evolsidog). The recording features only Prince, Lisa Coleman (on piano) and Wendy Melvoin (on guitar). Clare Fischer arranged and recorded orchestration for the song at some point in mid-late 1985 at Monterey Sound Studios, Glendale, CA, USA, but Prince preferred the track without orchestration, and chose to use the track without orchestration for the final release. | |
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I don't think I'm over-estimating, I think Prince just had closer working relationships with women vs men. No one is going to say that Mico had the same writing/working/personal relationship he had with Wendy. I mean Lisa and at 1 point Lisa & Wendy lived with Prince, did laundry together, Prince dating Wendy's twin sister. Lisa was with Prince since 1980-1986
Let's not under-estimate it either.
Also from the other band members from Dr Fink, Bobby Z, to Alan Leeds & Eric Leeds, they have highlighted the working/personal connection Prince had with Lisa & Wendy in many interviews.
The difference with many of them pre-1990s vs those after, is that most that followed did have a Yes Man working relationship. I also think the newness of his career even into the late 80s and the newness of his PR fame Prince was in a different Place. | |
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I would think it would be harder to sing and play live vs in a studio
even Prince did retakes and cutting and piecing together of his own guitar solos. Prince didn't jump in the studio and do 777-9311 or Alexa de Paris in 1 2 or 3 takes.
Dez Dickerson Little Red Corvette solo was put together as well.
By the 2nd half of the PR tour Wendy handled the LRC solo very well live | |
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Wendy's LRC wasn't that good during Purple Rain Tours. It was a little rough. As for the relationship, Wendy, Lisa and Prince had great synergy without a doubt. I was just stating that as an overall player, Miko was superior to Wendy, but not idea wise. The Lovesexy/SOTT was Prince's best band as far as musicians, but The Revolution(Dez, Andre and Gail included) had a certain rawness and urgency that made all the albums from 1978 to 86 so fantastic! [Edited 1/10/14 7:26am] __________________________________________________
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I thought by the time they did the live Syracuse show it was good. I'm not saying it was the best of course. Yeah and this being her first tour/live ever. She gets a pass.
I love the 1979-1989 bands
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Don't think so. Live it's ok to make a few mistakes. On a record you have to get it right. Of course you get more than one attempt in the studio, but if recorded live Wendy would have failed every time. Wendy is (was?) not a studio musician, she had other strenghts. [Edited 1/10/14 7:57am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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. . Yes, there's guitar, bass, synth, keys, and a drum machine is a percussion instrument. .
[Edited 1/10/14 8:36am] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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actually she was a studio musician, still is... . It's still harder to play live, and people don't forgive so easily . studio, it's going to be done until it's done right. And I haven't heard anything she's done studio that was weak. Failed every time? seriously Studio and reheasals is where you get it right . I mean she plays that opening on Purple Rain and Computer Blue, why are we making it like playing Sometimes It Snows In April as some difficult piece, played Kiss Accoustic solo piece live just like the album, Controversy and some other songs 2 the place Prince didn't look for another replacement for Dez... go figure... . And I've heard their albums after 1987 and she renders the music very good, the guitar work/solo on Waterfalls is very good. . She also plays drums and bass But I'll leave it alone. Different ears
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Others have said it: Power Fantastic, Large Room With No Lights, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star
any other studio non-released we probably won't know
Merci 4 the Speed of a Mad Clown in Summer, Too Sexy, Save the People I believe Prince let Sheila And the band loose on those
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I'm sorry, but your comments prove that you don't understand at all what you are talking about. I refuse to get into such a pointless debate. [Edited 1/10/14 10:58am] | |
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I'm sorry, but your comments prove that you don't understand at all what you are talking about. I refuse to get into such a pointless debate. [Edited 1/10/14 10:58am] Man, you are arrogant! Maybe someone else can respond to my genuine question. ...every night another symphony... | |
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I have listened to the album, I will relisten. I couldn't hear any guitar, I could hear what some refer to as drum machine and synths and which to me sound computer generated. This is my perception and apparently there is only one way to perceive this music, and mine isn't valid. I don't care. Why is a computer not an instrument? Maybe it is, maybe not. That depends on your perspective. From my perspective, a computer is only an "instrument" if it has software on it that can be used to program to generate music. A computer can be used for other things too. However, a guitar or a trumpet or a piano can only be used to make music. Hence to me the latter are musical instruments, the former is a computer. And if you believe a computer is an instrument then I am fine with that. It just means that we interpret the OP's question differently. ...every night another symphony... | |
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The arrogant person in this case is you. You are making very dismissive comments on something based on your very limited understanding on the subject matter. There are at least guitar and keyboards parts on the MPLSound record. If there's any bass guitar on it is debatable, but there are at least bass parts done with keyboards. Recording those parts to a computer and using the computer for further sound manipulation does not mean that those instruments somehow lose their status as "instruments" as a result. Even a basic MIDI keyboard that is used to trigger sounds on software that's running on a computer is just as much a musical instrument as the digital pianos that Prince has been playing live onstage since the 1980s.
As for your "interpretation" of the original question: there are no other valid interpretations than what treat the subject matter in its original context and trying to derail the discussion just because you desire to be a smartass yourself is childish. Please don't post such negative comments when your understanding of the issue is so rudimentary.
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Thanks for your comments on MPLSound. A shame though that you can't seem to help yourself and continue to insult me. Your comments about me prove how arrogant and rude you are.
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joyinrepetition said:
Early on Wendy wasn't as good as she is now 30 years later. Prince helped her a great deal. When Wendy played Alexa de Venus live at First Avenue while Prince was changing clothes, she was awful! Very choppy and unsure of herself compared to Prince's smooth instrumental on the B-side. Why do you think Miko was brought in? 30 years later Wendy is a very good player now i.e. Reflection duet with Prince on Tavis Smiley and Fury at the Brit Awards.
Now Prince has to work on smoothing out Donna Gratis. She's also a little stiff playing and lacks feeling. Prince didn't help Wendy, genius, her own practice and discipline did. She would've played in groups or done studio work even if the Revolution gig hadn't happened and as I understand it both Wendy and Lisa taught Prince just as much as he taught them. As for Donna, she's excellent. She plays very well and technically she can do things Prince cannot. Don't mistake sloppy execution for emotion. | |
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Prince didn't help Wendy, genius, her own practice and discipline did. She would've played in groups or done studio work even if the Revolution gig hadn't happened Not sure about that and as I understand it both Wendy and Lisa taught Prince just as much as he taught them. As a muscian? Have you heard early live recordings with Wendy? She could hardly play. Prince was on a completely different level. As for Donna, she's excellent. She plays very well and technically she can do things Prince cannot. Don't mistake sloppy execution for emotion. What exactely? She is more sloppy than Prince and she has a problem with her timing. Not saying she is bad though, she is certainly better than Wendy was at the beginning, but she is not on Princes level. Come on, Steakfinger. You play the guitar. Surely you must hear that. The wooh is on the one! | |
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Dave1992 said:
The album 1999 was created with heavy use of a (gasp) computer. I saw it on a tour of Paisley Park. Prince still has it. It has an old school early 80's drawing/writing wand and everything. - Like it or not, MPLSound was produced in a manner similar to most Prince albums. Synths, bass, guitar, drum machines. "New Power slide...." | |
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skywalker said: Dave1992 said:
The album 1999 was created with heavy use of a (gasp) computer. I saw it on a tour of Paisley Park. Prince still has it. It has an old school early 80's drawing/writing wand and everything. - Like it or not, MPLSound was produced in a manner similar to most Prince albums. Synths, bass, guitar, drum machines. I accept that is how MPLSound was produced (plus a lot of processing) and I've relistened to the album. Back to the original question, nobody's come up with anything so far and given Prince is so in control of his music, how could he not be involved one way or another in playing his songs? Except maybe the ones he gave away? ...every night another symphony... | |
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