It's not just hardcores at these shows. That's an assumption. I met a lot of first timers, who had never been to a Prince show. They didn't mind paying either.

MadamGoodnight said:

It's not just hardcores at these shows. That's an assumption. I met a lot of first timers, who had never been to a Prince show. They didn't mind paying either.

Would they be sadly disappointed without a sampler set?

Prince appears to think so.

HonestMan13 said:

As in Prince?

It's just awful.

Marrk said:

HonestMan13 said:

As in Prince?

It's just awful.

as in "this topic is like beating a dead horse"

kidmelody2012 said:

Me personally I loved the sampler set in Vegas but many complain that its not authentic cause the band not actually playing and prince just taking easy way out by not having to teach songs to band.Is this Prince being lazy?

Surely it depends on whether or not he's making his funky guitar face when he's playing it.

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... personally speaking I LOVE the sampler series P does. It's the originally recorded music and he's just havin' fun with it.

NYC MSG Sampler Series a few years back was HOT !!!

PurpleLove7 said:

... personally speaking I LOVE the sampler series P does. It's the originally recorded music and he's just havin' fun with it.

I thought the show was for our fun.

We have the originally recorded music at home, don't we?

NYC MSG Sampler Series a few years back was HOT !!!

Then it as 'new'. Now it is has grown old.

He's not showing himself as a serious musician when he continues doing that sampler thing for the 6th year now (at least since 2007).

rgsince81 said:

Has any one stopped to think that this Sampler Set may be the only way we EVER hear these songs? The lyrical content is not something I expect to hear from Prince.( example. The words to Darling Nikki, in full) . Not gonna happen! Im happy just to hear the samples

I think that playing the full CD gives a better impression of the now unplayable songs. (unplayable live I mean of course)

wendy and lisa can play all the songs

While I love me some Wendy & Lisa, even with the entirety of the Revolution, even they couldn't perform the record to perfection during the recent (ish) First Avenue performance.

Which is absolutely fine by me. Artist can choose any medium and presentation they want. It's their perogative.

GuyBros said:

While I love me some Wendy & Lisa, even with the entirety of the Revolution, even they couldn't perform the record to perfection during the recent (ish) First Avenue performance.

Which is absolutely fine by me. Artist can choose any medium and presentation they want. It's their perogative.

They didn't evene come close imo. And there's no chance in hell that W&L or any member of the Revolutioncould do justice to song like Shockadelica.

kidmelody2012 said:

wendy and lisa can play all the songs

But can they sing them? No offense to anyone singing Prince's songs, but Prince *does* have a very unique falsetto. That's what got my attention in the first place, the voice. It's just not the same. Just speaking for myself.

paulludvig said:

They didn't evene come close imo. And there's no chance in hell that W&L or any member of the Revolutioncould do justice to song like Shockadelica.

But live it sounded great. The atmosphere. It was an experience. Much like Prince's new shows. And straight up:

I loved the subtlety in Wendy's approach to THE solo in Purple Rain. I mean, I like both for their own respective merits. But her approach to the solo kind of confirmed for me why I wasn't really disappointed that Prince didn't show. It really gave these artist THEIR time to shine.

udo said:

rgsince81 said:

Gosh to debate everything is pointless!

You might think so but how else can one find motives and resons behind seeimingly pointless stuff like you mention?

Debate leads to better understanding.

udo said:

rgsince81 said:

Gosh to debate everything is pointless!

You might think so but how else can one find motives and resons behind seeimingly pointless stuff like you mention?

Debate leads to better understanding.

Debating someones personal tastes or beliefs is pointless. There is no point to be proven or side which is more or less valid. Some people like the sampler set, some don't. Some think it's art, some don't. Neither is right or wrong because they're just opinions.

HonestMan13 said:

rgsince81 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Debating someones personal tastes or beliefs is pointless. There is no point to be proven or side which is more or less valid. Some people like the sampler set, some don't. Some think it's art, some don't. Neither is right or wrong because they're just opinions.

Tell that to Udo!

That's who I was replying to. People arguing their opinions like they were one of the 10 Commandments is why so many threads on here just get lost.

rgsince81 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Debating someones personal tastes or beliefs is pointless. There is no point to be proven or side which is more or less valid. Some people like the sampler set, some don't. Some think it's art, some don't. Neither is right or wrong because they're just opinions.

Tell that to Udo!

It is not just about taste.

I merely mentioned some general points about the whole concept being watered down.

That I don't like this stuff is clear but I did not mention that too many times.

So putting stuff in the 'taste' corner wanting to be left alone w.r.t. this issue is false hope.

If you can't see what a mishmash is when it is right in front of your eyes then that is not my taste problem.

I see a mishmash now. I saw one at the second Viage aftershow in Brussels. (for other reasons)

I've left concerts even before they started so I know what to do when the time is right.

udo said:

PurpleLove7 said:

... personally speaking I LOVE the sampler series P does. It's the originally recorded music and he's just havin' fun with it.

I thought the show was for our fun.

We have the originally recorded music at home, don't we?

NYC MSG Sampler Series a few years back was HOT !!!

Then it as 'new'. Now it is has grown old.

He's not showing himself as a serious musician when he continues doing that sampler thing for the 6th year now (at least since 2007).

... let's agree to dis-agree on the sampler set. When I saw P doin' the sampler set it reminds of my HipHop days when I was producin' music and DJ'in. Thoz funky azz loops !!!

udo said:

He's not showing himself as a serious musician when he continues doing that sampler thing for the 6th year now (at least since 2007).

Right.... because if one does something for 6 years as a stretch during their tenure as a musician, they can't possibly be a serious musician. Stevie Wonder should stop playing piano. John Coltrane shoulda put down that sax. And Satriani should set down that guitar... Or least they should give these forms of instrumentation and performance a break after a 6 year run.

Granted, these are these artists premiere mediums for performance, I don't think that redundancy diminishes artistic merit.

udo said:

thebanishedone said:

Wow i can't believe Kidmelody made a nice topic.

what you mean? all my topics are legendary ind innovative!

GuyBros said:

udo said:

He's not showing himself as a serious musician when he continues doing that sampler thing for the 6th year now (at least since 2007).

Right.... because if one does something for 6 years as a stretch during their tenure as a musician, they can't possibly be a serious musician. Stevie Wonder should stop playing piano. John Coltrane shoulda put down that sax. And Satriani should set down that guitar... Or least they should give these forms of instrumentation and performance a break after a 6 year run.

Comparing samplers to whatever these other people use as instrument is like comparing apples with oranges.

It's weak.
The sampler thing is a gimmick and doing it for 6 years makes it a weak gimmick.

GuyBros said:

Right.... because if one does something for 6 years as a stretch during their tenure as a musician, they can't possibly be a serious musician. Brandon Boyd should give up playing djembe while singing. Yukimi nagano needs to put down the maracas. And Madonna should put down the guitar (OH WAIT!, SHE REALLY SHOULD)... Or least they should give these forms of instrumentation and performance a break after a 6 year run.

Ok. Let's replace them with musicians playing instruments other than their primary ones. Doesn't change the sentiment dude.

Also, you said his performance makes him "not a serious musician." I'm saying "bullshit."

If it's a gimmick, fine, it's a gimmick.

That doesn't detract from him being a serious musician.

Fact: it is possible to be a serious musician AND do things that are fun for yourself and others such as... Oh I don't know... sampler sets. Because YOU don't like them doesn't mean others do not appreciate and enjoy them.

Keep it gangsta, buddy.

GuyBros said:

Also, you said his performance makes him "not a serious musician." I'm saying "bullshit."

If it's a gimmick, fine, it's a gimmick.

Al gimmick is only a gimmick when it is used as a gimmick.

I.e.: not continuously.

E.g. for the past six years.

I can agree that using it as an occasional gimmick doe snot do anything about the seriousnes of his musicianship.

The bullshit phrase is too weak as it dimisses any context or details about the situation.