i'm not really an expert, but here's how i see the whole 'appolonia6 got the shaft' issue: ether you have the talent to make it on your own in the music business, with maybe a little help from prince, who shines a spotlight on you, or you don't.

it's not up to prince to 'guarantee' any of his musical colleagues a star in the skies of music legend. that is something an individual artist is either born to achieve, or not.

generally, when someone can really write music and perform it, the opportunity to be in a spotlight even once will make that happen. if not, no amount of showcasing will do the job.

my 2c

XxAxX said:

i'm not really an expert, but here's how i see the whole 'appolonia6 got the shaft' issue: ether you have the talent to make it on your own in the music business, with maybe a little help from prince, who shines a spotlight on you, or you don't.

it's not up to prince to 'guarantee' any of his musical colleagues a star in the skies of music legend. that is something an individual artist is either born to achieve, or not.

generally, when someone can really write music and perform it, the opportunity to be in a spotlight even once will make that happen. if not, no amount of showcasing will do the job.

my 2c

actually I think someone else already said it. If Vanity 6 was in Purple Rain, a lot of those songs probably would have remained on the album. Vanity 6 had charisma and purple electricity

No matter what anyone thinks of her, Vanity continued her career when she left the purple camp, made a movie or 2 etc

Just listening to Prince & Vanity's energy on Sex Shooter, you know he was inspired by them as a group. Watching the Vanity 6 videos and concerts, you see they had the passion and fun and characters.

Apollonia as someone else said, was not in it for the music or music career, but for the acting role, only. That's why it got the shaft.

OldFriends4Sale said:

XxAxX said:

i'm not really an expert, but here's how i see the whole 'appolonia6 got the shaft' issue: ether you have the talent to make it on your own in the music business, with maybe a little help from prince, who shines a spotlight on you, or you don't.

it's not up to prince to 'guarantee' any of his musical colleagues a star in the skies of music legend. that is something an individual artist is either born to achieve, or not.

generally, when someone can really write music and perform it, the opportunity to be in a spotlight even once will make that happen. if not, no amount of showcasing will do the job.

my 2c

actually I think someone else already said it. If Vanity 6 was in Purple Rain, a lot of those songs probably would have remained on the album. Vanity 6 had charisma and purple electricity

No matter what anyone thinks of her, Vanity continued her career when she left the purple camp, made a movie or 2 etc

Just listening to Prince & Vanity's energy on Sex Shooter, you know he was inspired by them as a group. Watching the Vanity 6 videos and concerts, you see they had the passion and fun and characters.

Apollonia as someone else said, was not in it for the music or music career, but for the acting role, only. That's why it got the shaft.

oh. okay, thanks!

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Apollonia couldn't sing to save her life, thank god Prince held back some of those songs.

Yep, yep

OldFriends4Sale said:

Adorecream said:

I would say they got the shaft as you put it, because Apollonia had little vocal talent if any and almost no personality. She's rather cartoon and wooden in Purple Rain and listening to her version of "Manic Monday" is ear torture, she sounds gassy, nasal and fluffy all in one.

If that version had been released, it would not have been a #2 hit, thats for sure, it would have probably limped into the Top 100 because of the Purple Rain association, but any other period before or after it would have missed that chart.

Susan was an ex girlfriend so as you know Prince would have lost interest in her quickly, plus the "6" groups music had been heavily criticised for its sexist lyrics and general lacky of pop complexity, and 1984/85 was the beginning of his more jazzy and experimental phase and he probably wanted to leave frothy sex pop behind. None of the girls could play instruments, write songs and their singing abilities were marginal. Brenda was known as a loud mouth and Prince's attitude towards any woman who rose above her place was pretty 1952 House wifery.

All they could do was shake ass, and it would be at least 1990 before Prince wanted an army of ass shaking females in his music.

The women between 1984 and 1990 were higher level contributors, Wendy, Lisa, Sheila, Susannah and Jill Jones, okay the last two were ass shakers, but they at least had musical talent and some presence, something Apples and her cohorts were lacking.

I totally disagree about Susan & Brenda not having presence...

Plus Susan's relationship with Prince was a lot different, she was also friend, She was the 1 that knew Prince before the fame, which is a special thing.

Brenda was not known as a loud mouth, where did you get that from? Her character (if she convinced you of that, then that negates her not having any presence) Brenda played the Touch Chick, that was her character within the group. And she hardly 'shaked her ass'

What is an ass shaker? most of Jill Jones contributions were vocals/studio?

So I was never enampoured with any of their talents, they did a few backing vocals, if Brenda and Susie were so good why did Prince not cut an album on them.

Ass shaker, a sexy attractive female, often signed by Prince because of her looks and abilities to shake her ass and look fine rather than have any actual musical talent.

Carmen Electra is a prime example of an ass shaker.

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scorp84 said:

Adorecream said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I totally disagree about Susan & Brenda not having presence...

Plus Susan's relationship with Prince was a lot different, she was also friend, She was the 1 that knew Prince before the fame, which is a special thing.

Brenda was not known as a loud mouth, where did you get that from? Her character (if she convinced you of that, then that negates her not having any presence) Brenda played the Touch Chick, that was her character within the group. And she hardly 'shaked her ass'

What is an ass shaker? most of Jill Jones contributions were vocals/studio?

So I was never enampoured with any of their talents, they did a few backing vocals, if Brenda and Susie were so good why did Prince not cut an album on them.

Ass shaker, a sexy attractive female, often signed by Prince because of her looks and abilities to shake her ass and look fine rather than have any actual musical talent.

Carmen Electra is a prime example of an ass shaker.

he didn't cut an album with Jesse Johnson either, even though Jesse wanted to continue with Prince

Brenda Bennett also plays guitar, look her up on youtube. and a recent interview

http://www.examiner.com/a...her-new-cd

Brenda Bennett (born Brenda Elizabeth Claire Siobhan in 1961) is a British-American singer from Scotland who married the musician Prince's set-designer Roy Bennett, and then became Prince's "wardrobe mistress." She started off in a CBS Records band called Ken Lyon and Tombstone which toured with Mott the Hopple and Queen . Years later, through Roy Bennett, Prince gave her a "tough-girl, cigarette-smoking" persona and enlisted her in a girlgroup, Vanity 6, that he was attempting to create in 1982.

That group broke up a year later due to the departure of its lead singer, Vanity, after only minor success. But Bennett stuck around for its reincarnation, with a new lead singer, as Apollonia 6 in 1984. Bennett's image in both of the groups was that of the bad girl—she smoked and had the most attitude.

Bennett also had a part in the film Purple Rain alongside Apollonia 6 members Susan Moonsie and the group's lead singer, Apollonia.

Brenda Bennett can be heard on lead vocals on "Some Kind Of Lover," "A Million Miles (I Love You)," and "Blue Limousine" on the album Apollonia 6. She can also be heard on background vocals of the song "17 Days" that Prince withdrew from their album. The song became a B-Side of his single "When Doves Cry" as well as several other Prince tracks recorded while he was on under the Warner Bros. label.

I read that there was a lot of stuff that happened back then, a falling out. Brenda has been doing music still though.

can't touch Vanity 6, Sheila Susannah, Jill, Cat-Not ass shakers

SoulAlive said:

scorp84 said:

Not at all. They were given a huge platform (called Purple Rain) to get their shine and that was more than enough. I like the album, but it cant touch Vanity 6. Apollonia was just playing the part, and it showed. If things worked out how they were originally intended, Sheila E. wouldve been a little less "glamorous". Now speaking of getting the "shaft", Jill Jones, smh...

I agree about Jill Jones.Prince should have given her "Sugar Walls" for her debut single and released her album in 1984,so she could have benefitted from the Purple Rain hype.

I totally agree and a Parade album,

Probably. In many aspects of the word. I don't know, I wasn't around when they were famous, but enjoy their few tracks intensely.

"Put it in the bank , I'm tryna sleep."

OldFriends4Sale said:

can't touch Vanity 6, Sheila Susannah, Jill, Cat-Not ass shakers

Cat's not an ass shaker? She's like the prime one. Was she ever anything else?

errant said:

Cat's not an ass shaker? She's like the prime one. Was she ever anything else?

I seem to recall we needed her to rap.... didn't we?

errant said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

can't touch Vanity 6, Sheila Susannah, Jill, Cat-Not ass shakers

Cat's not an ass shaker? She's like the prime one. Was she ever anything else?

Cat was a dancer (that's not ass shaker) and definately not to put her in the same line as Carmen Electra. Cat sang and danced, she also choreographed videos and shows from Koo Koo to the Lovesexy show

Watch her expression during SOTT that's not an 'ass shaker' If she was an ass shaker then so were Jerome Wally & Gregory

Just because a woman looks good and is a dancer doesn't make them an 'ass shaker' Cat wasn't some video vixen. And some say Cat wasn't the prettiest woman, but she was in shape and had moves that helped interpret songs

the term to me is very sexist and Adorecream also refered to Jill Jones & Susannah Melvoin as ass shakers. So that term I will not overall agree with

It was actually Alan Leeds that found her, not Prince.

And she originally was hired to choreograph for the Prince camp. Cat was not originally going to work directly with Prince

NouveauDance said:

errant said:

Cat's not an ass shaker? She's like the prime one. Was she ever anything else?

I seem to recall we needed her to rap.... didn't we?

ready for round 2

OldFriends4Sale said:

errant said:

Cat's not an ass shaker? She's like the prime one. Was she ever anything else?

Cat was a dancer (that's not ass shaker) and definately not to put her in the same line as Carmen Electra. Cat sang and danced, she also choreographed videos and shows from Koo Koo to the Lovesexy show

Watch her expression during SOTT that's not an 'ass shaker' If she was an ass shaker then so were Jerome Wally & Gregory

Just because a woman looks good and is a dancer doesn't make them an 'ass shaker' Cat wasn't some video vixen. And some say Cat wasn't the prettiest woman, but she was in shape and had moves that helped interpret songs

the term to me is very sexist and Adorecream also refered to Jill Jones & Susannah Melvoin as ass shakers. So that term I will not overall agree with

It was actually Alan Leeds that found her, not Prince.

And she originally was hired to choreograph for the Prince camp. Cat was not originally going to work directly with Prince

no, sorry. she's an ass-shaker. everything she did, Carmen did too (dancer, choreography, etc.).

except Carmen got an album out of it. and eventually something approximating a career at whatever it is she does.

Jerome & Wally were even more useless than an ass-shaker. actually, not Jerome. but Wally and Greg? even more pointless than the Game Boyz since they could barely even dance.

errant said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cat was a dancer (that's not ass shaker) and definately not to put her in the same line as Carmen Electra. Cat sang and danced, she also choreographed videos and shows from Koo Koo to the Lovesexy show

Watch her expression during SOTT that's not an 'ass shaker' If she was an ass shaker then so were Jerome Wally & Gregory

Just because a woman looks good and is a dancer doesn't make them an 'ass shaker' Cat wasn't some video vixen. And some say Cat wasn't the prettiest woman, but she was in shape and had moves that helped interpret songs

the term to me is very sexist and Adorecream also refered to Jill Jones & Susannah Melvoin as ass shakers. So that term I will not overall agree with

It was actually Alan Leeds that found her, not Prince.

And she originally was hired to choreograph for the Prince camp. Cat was not originally going to work directly with Prince

no, sorry. she's an ass-shaker. everything she did, Carmen did too (dancer, choreography, etc.).

except Carmen got an album out of it. and eventually something approximating a career at whatever it is she does.

Jerome & Wally were even more useless than an ass-shaker. actually, not Jerome. but Wally and Greg? even more pointless than the Game Boyz since they could barely even dance.

Carmen was a sex thing for Prince(whom he must have cared enough 4 to Hate), Cat wasn't

U can have ur opinion, but just because she didn't play an instrument doesn't make her an ass shaker

I guess Misty Copeland was too

OldFriends4Sale said:

errant said:

no, sorry. she's an ass-shaker. everything she did, Carmen did too (dancer, choreography, etc.).

except Carmen got an album out of it. and eventually something approximating a career at whatever it is she does.

Jerome & Wally were even more useless than an ass-shaker. actually, not Jerome. but Wally and Greg? even more pointless than the Game Boyz since they could barely even dance.

Carmen was so sex thing for Prince, Cat wasn't

U can have ur opinion, but just because she didn't play an instrument doesn't make her an ass shaker

I guess Misty Copeland was too

Misty Copeland was just a girlfriend who guested on stage a couple of times.

errant said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Carmen was so sex thing for Prince, Cat wasn't

U can have ur opinion, but just because she didn't play an instrument doesn't make her an ass shaker

I guess Misty Copeland was too

Misty Copeland was just a girlfriend who guested on stage a couple of times.

Misty wasn't his girlfriend

OldFriends4Sale said:

errant said:

Misty Copeland was just a girlfriend who guested on stage a couple of times.

Misty wasn't his girlfriend

You're right. "girlfriend" is probably overstating it

NDRU said: