MJ for "Off The Wall", Prince for the rest.

D&P vs. Dangerous is a close one, I admit. D&P has "Jughead" and a few other rather unremarkable tracks on it, but at least it doesn't have "Heal The World", hah.

What about Invincible vs. The Chocolate Invasion / Slaughterhouse?

1979: Off The Wall Vs. Prince.

1982: Thriller Vs. 1999.

1987: Bad Vs. Sign "O" The Times - no brainer!

1991: Dangerous Vs. Diamonds And Pearls - (the singles on D&P beat Dangerous but the latter is probably a more coherent album overall)

1995: History Vs. The Gold Experience.

2001: Invincible Vs. The Rainbow Children - neither - But 'She loves me for me' is one of my favourite Prince songs and 'Butterflies' is one of the few MJ love songs which sound genuine to me.

databank said:

Adisa said:

I agree and I'm wondering if the people picking D&P over Dangerous have actually even heard Dangerous. But to be fair, Dangerous is a bit uneven also. The funky pop that Teddy Riley brought to the album leads straight to the sappy, corny, Disney pop for that particular audience.

Somebody on the org once described Dangerous as simultaneously being MJ's best and worst lp. I can undersatnd that.

Thing is that the (more or less) first side of the album, Jam to Can't Let Her Get Away + Dangerous, were a revolution: we couldn't realize it back then but the minimalist approach these songs has more or less defined everything that'd be dance music up to today, that is 21 years later. These tracks could have been released in 2001, no one'd have noticed: everything in 2001 sounded like these songs! Even today I ain't sure they'd sound dated. In that sense, and despite the more mundane 7 other tracks, these 7 songs make it Jackson's most innovative and impacting albums, and possibly one of the most innovative and impacting albums of all times. Kind of like what 1999 was in 1982, save that 1999's major influence over pop music didn't even last a decade, while the influence of Dangerous can still be heard today. This is why it wins over D&P in my book. D&P is fine but not in the same league.

Oh I definetly understand and I've said that on other threads on the org. Dangerous was the prototype for pop music in this millenium, and by NO means is it a New Jack Swing album as it has been dubbed.

As for D&P I loved the album when it was first released. Over the years, however, it has become one of several albums that I never play. Maybe I'll give it a spn this week and I'll feel differently.

MattyJam said:

Destiny vs. For You > DESTINY

Destiny has some beautiful songwriting, songs like Push Me Away, That's What You Get For Being Polite and Bless His Soul beat anything on For You, which, in truth, is a fairly underwhelming debut.

Off The Wall vs. Prince > OFF THE WALL

Whilst "Prince" was a marked improvement on his debut and the first true signs of things to come, "Off The Wall" was in a whole other league. Nothing on "Prince" can hold a candle to DSTYGE, Get On The Floor, OTW, Workin' Day & Night, Rock With You etc. A rare example of MJ outfunking Prince.

Triumph vs. Dirty Mind > TRIUMPH

Triumph is the best Jacksons album and really more like an MJ solo record, bridging the gap between OTW and Thriller. Songs like Walk Right Now, Heartbreak Hotel and Lovely One trounce most of Dirty Mind.

Thriller vs. 1999 > THRILLER

Okay, it's starting to get tricky now. In one corner you have Billie Jean, Beat It, Startin Somethin and Thriller and in the other we have 1999, DMSR and Little Red Corvette. Actually, it's not so tricky after all. Thriller by a landslide.

Victory vs. Purple Rain > PURPLE RAIN

No contest. Purple Rain is a pop masterpiece, Victory is best forgotten.

Bad vs. Sign O The Times > SIGN O THE TIMES

As keen as I am on Bad (I consider Smooth Criminal to be one of the all time greatest pop songs ever written), Sign O The Times has far more substance, artistic growth and innovation.

Dangerous vs. Diamonds & Pearls > DANGEROUS

No contest here. D&P is one of Prince's most uneven and uninspired efforts. Money Don't Matter 2nite and Live 4 Love are the sole redeeming features of D&P, but they're hardly in the same league as Who Is It, Give Into Me or In The Closet.

HIStory vs. The Gold Experience > HISTORY

Both solid, if somewhat overblown albums. But the trio of TDCAU, Earth Song and the title track make HIStory an easy win for me.

Invincible vs. The Rainbow Children > INVINCIBLE

Despite both albums obvious flaws, there's much to enjoy on both records, but on a track by track basis, there's probably more I like on Invincible than TRC.

MJ scores 7

Prince scores 2

[Edited 10/20/12 2:03am]

HEY YO!

Invincible better than Rainbow Children?...there is something wrong with your ears mate. Invincible is no where near TRC. TRC is one of Princes best albums, the production and musicianship on TRC is amazing...I love MJ but Invincible is horrible with the exception of Butterflies.

[Edited 10/22/12 7:37am]

aiden said:

STOP WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING IMMEDIATELY AND GO BUY 1999 AND THRILLER... Like NOW!

I actually wouldn't care if I never heard Thriller again. The radio killed it. I only like watching the mass dance videos to it.

As for 1999, I love the bass line, but same thing, I've heard that song too much and it's 2012. I'll wait for new Prince music. Plus sometimes it's good not to have everything. Leave some space in between.

But hey, thanks for the advice!!

daddymac said:

MattyJam said:

Destiny vs. For You > DESTINY

Destiny has some beautiful songwriting, songs like Push Me Away, That's What You Get For Being Polite and Bless His Soul beat anything on For You, which, in truth, is a fairly underwhelming debut.

Off The Wall vs. Prince > OFF THE WALL

Whilst "Prince" was a marked improvement on his debut and the first true signs of things to come, "Off The Wall" was in a whole other league. Nothing on "Prince" can hold a candle to DSTYGE, Get On The Floor, OTW, Workin' Day & Night, Rock With You etc. A rare example of MJ outfunking Prince.

Triumph vs. Dirty Mind > TRIUMPH

Triumph is the best Jacksons album and really more like an MJ solo record, bridging the gap between OTW and Thriller. Songs like Walk Right Now, Heartbreak Hotel and Lovely One trounce most of Dirty Mind.

Thriller vs. 1999 > THRILLER

Okay, it's starting to get tricky now. In one corner you have Billie Jean, Beat It, Startin Somethin and Thriller and in the other we have 1999, DMSR and Little Red Corvette. Actually, it's not so tricky after all. Thriller by a landslide.

Victory vs. Purple Rain > PURPLE RAIN

No contest. Purple Rain is a pop masterpiece, Victory is best forgotten.

Bad vs. Sign O The Times > SIGN O THE TIMES

As keen as I am on Bad (I consider Smooth Criminal to be one of the all time greatest pop songs ever written), Sign O The Times has far more substance, artistic growth and innovation.

Dangerous vs. Diamonds & Pearls > DANGEROUS

No contest here. D&P is one of Prince's most uneven and uninspired efforts. Money Don't Matter 2nite and Live 4 Love are the sole redeeming features of D&P, but they're hardly in the same league as Who Is It, Give Into Me or In The Closet.

HIStory vs. The Gold Experience > HISTORY

Both solid, if somewhat overblown albums. But the trio of TDCAU, Earth Song and the title track make HIStory an easy win for me.

Invincible vs. The Rainbow Children > INVINCIBLE

Despite both albums obvious flaws, there's much to enjoy on both records, but on a track by track basis, there's probably more I like on Invincible than TRC.

MJ scores 7

Prince scores 2

[Edited 10/20/12 2:03am]

HEY YO!

Invincible better than Rainbow Children?...there is something wrong with your ears mate. Invincible is no where near TRC. TRC is one of Princes best albums, the production and musicianship on TRC is amazing...I love MJ but Invincible is horrible with the exception of Butterflies.

[Edited 10/22/12 7:37am]

Which is NOT even a Mj song.

Granted, Invincible is a mess of an album and in many respects I see it as MJ's Rave Un2 - a misguided comeback attempt desperately trying to sound contemporary. However, much like Rave, there are some great songs to be found if you have the patience (Heaven Can Wait, Heartbreaker, Rock My World, Unbreakable, Speechless, Threatened).

Infact, the entire first half of the album is pretty strong and reminds me of the first half of Dangerous, but unlike that album, there's no Who Is It or Give Into Me on side 2 of Invincible. Instead we have insipid watered down crap like Cry, Don't Walk Away and Privacy.

[Edited 10/22/12 10:54am]

Yeah, I can see the similarities between Rave Un2 and Invincible. It might have made more sense to pit those albums against each other (+ maybe Newpower Soul and Blood On The Dance Floor too).

Graycap23 said:

daddymac said:

HEY YO!

Invincible better than Rainbow Children?...there is something wrong with your ears mate. Invincible is no where near TRC. TRC is one of Princes best albums, the production and musicianship on TRC is amazing...I love MJ but Invincible is horrible with the exception of Butterflies.

[Edited 10/22/12 7:37am]

Which is NOT even a Mj song.

Neh, we are pretty sure that's his voice on his song on his album. Quit reaching, Gray. Next you're going to say that OTW and Thriller are NOT even MJ songs either.

Adisa said:

Graycap23 said:

Which is NOT even a Mj song.

Neh, we are pretty sure that's his voice on his song on his album. Quit reaching, Gray. Next you're going to say that OTW and Thriller are NOT even MJ songs either.

Reaching? That is a Floetry song.

[Edited 10/24/12 9:15am]

Graycap23 said:

Adisa said:

Neh, we are pretty sure that's his voice on his song on his album. Quit reaching, Gray. Next you're going to say that OTW and Thriller are NOT even MJ songs either.

Raching? That is a Floetry song.

There is two versions of Butterflies. One version is sung by Marsha(Floetry) and the other is sung by Michael.

The song was written by Marsha Ambrosius and Andre Harris. Michael heard the demo of Butterflies and liked it.

So, let's call this one a tie.

Graycap23 said:

Adisa said:

Neh, we are pretty sure that's his voice on his song on his album. Quit reaching, Gray. Next you're going to say that OTW and Thriller are NOT even MJ songs either.

Raching? That is a Floetry song.

You're going to pull a muscle, man. Stop.

MattyJam said:

Destiny vs. For You > DESTINY

Destiny has some beautiful songwriting, songs like Push Me Away, That's What You Get For Being Polite and Bless His Soul beat anything on For You, which, in truth, is a fairly underwhelming debut.

Off The Wall vs. Prince > OFF THE WALL

Whilst "Prince" was a marked improvement on his debut and the first true signs of things to come, "Off The Wall" was in a whole other league. Nothing on "Prince" can hold a candle to DSTYGE, Get On The Floor, OTW, Workin' Day & Night, Rock With You etc. A rare example of MJ outfunking Prince.

Triumph vs. Dirty Mind > TRIUMPH

Triumph is the best Jacksons album and really more like an MJ solo record, bridging the gap between OTW and Thriller. Songs like Walk Right Now, Heartbreak Hotel and Lovely One trounce most of Dirty Mind.

Thriller vs. 1999 > THRILLER

Okay, it's starting to get tricky now. In one corner you have Billie Jean, Beat It, Startin Somethin and Thriller and in the other we have 1999, DMSR and Little Red Corvette. Actually, it's not so tricky after all. Thriller by a landslide.

Victory vs. Purple Rain > PURPLE RAIN

No contest. Purple Rain is a pop masterpiece, Victory is best forgotten.

Bad vs. Sign O The Times > SIGN O THE TIMES

As keen as I am on Bad (I consider Smooth Criminal to be one of the all time greatest pop songs ever written), Sign O The Times has far more substance, artistic growth and innovation.

Dangerous vs. Diamonds & Pearls > DANGEROUS

No contest here. D&P is one of Prince's most uneven and uninspired efforts. Money Don't Matter 2nite and Live 4 Love are the sole redeeming features of D&P, but they're hardly in the same league as Who Is It, Give Into Me or In The Closet.

HIStory vs. The Gold Experience > HISTORY

Both solid, if somewhat overblown albums. But the trio of TDCAU, Earth Song and the title track make HIStory an easy win for me.

Invincible vs. The Rainbow Children > INVINCIBLE

Despite both albums obvious flaws, there's much to enjoy on both records, but on a track by track basis, there's probably more I like on Invincible than TRC.

MJ scores 7

Prince scores 2

[Edited 10/20/12 2:03am]

That part in bold is the problem. You missed the 1999 album if those are your highlights. The songs like Something In the Water, All the Critics, and Lady Cab Driver are the gems on that album. I love Thriller but MJ couldn't fuck with that. Having said that, the albums overall are pretty close in quality. 1999 just had the extra IT factor that puts it over the top.

Now I'll give MJ this: Prince (the album) doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Off The Wall. Nor does D&P with Dangerous. MJ was the shit with Dangerous-- you've got to give that up. The only MJ album that doesn't belong in its comparison was Invincible with The Rainbow Children. Somebody compared Invincible to Rave and I agree. Both albums sucked and aside from a few moments they were the low points of their respective creator's careers. If MJ had lived I'd like to think he'd bounce back like Prince did (not that Prince maintained that resurgence).

Nothing on The Rainbow Children is as good as either 'Butterflies' or 'Whatever Happens' IMHO. So uh, Invincible wins. Plus it's not anti-semetic either. History was though with 'They don't Care About Us', so The Gold Experience wins!

Marrk said:

Nothing on The Rainbow Children is as good as either 'Butterflies' or 'Whatever Happens' IMHO. So uh, Invincible wins. Plus it's not anti-semetic either. History was though with 'They don't Care About Us', so The Gold Experience wins!

Graycap23 said:

Marrk said:

Nothing on The Rainbow Children is as good as either 'Butterflies' or 'Whatever Happens' IMHO. So uh, Invincible wins. Plus it's not anti-semetic either. History was though with 'They don't Care About Us', so The Gold Experience wins!

Have you not heard TDCAU by MJ or Family Name by P?

I don't know what your is for. It's not a shock, widely discussed. Not something i condone either.

Destiny vs. For You
Оff The Wall vs. Prince
Triumph vs. Dirty Mind

it was a close call, 6 good (but not great) albums that I like almost equally.

------------------------
Thriller vs. 1999 -Thriller - signed album, it is possible that this is the greatest pop album of all time, but for some reason I never loved it much, I really only like three songs written by MJ: Billie Jean. Beat it, WBSS

Victory vs. Purple Rain - Abyss ... one album - one of the greatest ever, the other - just mediocrity.

Bad vs. Sign O The Times - I really can not decide

Dangerous vs. Diamonds & Pearls - Dangerous - my favorite MJ album by far

HIStory vs. The Gold Experience - History - dark album, depressed and hard to listen to, but 4 songs from it just brilliant, it's hard to ignore this fact.

Invincible vs. The Rainbow Children - Invincible just awful album, 3-4 decent songs and a bunch of outright trash.

Marrk said:

Graycap23 said:

Have you not heard TDCAU by MJ or Family Name by P?

I don't know what your is for. It's not a shock, widely discussed. Not something i condone either.

To hell with the Jew nonsense. People are actually picking "For You" over "DESTINY"??? WTF?? REALLY??

People are actually picking "Triumph" over "Dirty Mind"??? WTF?? REALLY??

Ps I "For You" as well.

1979: Off The Wall Vs. Prince.

Off the Wall wins this one hands down. Prince outside of 'Falling In Love' & 'I'm Yours' is an ok at best album. Off the Wall is a masterpiece. You can argue that Prince actually wrote the majority of this (Andre I think had more to do with this than anyone will ever admit though) BUT as a body of work Off The Wall is better.

1982: Thriller Vs. 1999.

Tie - These are 2 epic albums ...more like events honestly. I can't say one is better than the other more like they belong together as 2 brothers one clean cut and one wild.

1987: Bad Vs. Sign "O" The Times.

Sign wins for variety more so than anything else Bad was always a bit generic to me. I hate the bass sounds used on Another Part Of ME and Bad. So my selection here may not be as pure as it should be

1991: Dangerous Vs. Diamonds And Pearls.

Here is the reverse of the last selection. Diamonds and Pearls was a bit bland to me Gett Off set me up to think Prince was about to change the world, instead we got Daddy Pop. Dangerous was Mike hungry at the top of form. I think by 91 Prince had shot his load so to speak. The good sounds were fewer than before. He still made gems but not like before

1995: History Vs. The Gold Experience.

History was a good album Mike came out swing, Prince was whining. Not the best LP. I like Come better honestly. I can't think of many songs from Gold.

2001: Invicible Vs. The Rainbow Children. both of these are failures BUT Invincible had Butterflies so that gives it a point. I can't stomach rainbow children because that voice

thedance said:

People are actually picking "Triumph" over "Dirty Mind"??? WTF?? REALLY??

Ps I "For You" as well.

They are absolutely equal to me.

2 very good, but not great albums.I chose Triumph because it is the only album of The Jacksons, which I really like. You can listen to from beginning to end without skipping songs, it is an indicator of class for me.
Many people here are fans of both artists, so weird that you think everyone would prefer any album by Prince.
Prince, has always been a very productive, he released a lot of stuff, some great and a lot of good albums. MJ worked on every album 3 years or more, so the first five of his solo (adult) albums are very, very strong, IMHO.

Flopinsible is horrible ... really ...but the others have their great moments.

from MJ albums there are one or two stand outs on each, and i listen to MJ online but i remember the days when i had all my prince cds, and i would listen to them pretty much all day, never could do that with MJ, and MJ makes me wanna dance like MJ which no can do. In terms of being on the same page, Prince's output reflects most of my character, it's a shame i can't listen to his songs online, just the accessability. MJ is MJ, but Prince is so much more. both shine. i look up to both of them.

LiLi1992 said:

thedance said:

People are actually picking "Triumph" over "Dirty Mind"??? WTF?? REALLY??

Ps I "For You" as well.

They are absolutely equal to me.

2 very good, but not great albums.I chose Triumph because it is the only album of The Jacksons, which I really like. You can listen to from beginning to end without skipping songs, it is an indicator of class for me.
Many people here are fans of both artists, so weird that you think everyone would prefer any album by Prince.
Prince, has always been a very productive, he released a lot of stuff, some great and a lot of good albums. MJ worked on every album 3 years or more, so the first five of his solo (adult) albums are very, very strong, IMHO.

Flopinsible is horrible ... really ...but the others have their great moments.

I am a fan of both. However, for me Triumph is a bit trite and is not as consistent as Dirty Mind in the quality of songwriting. 'Can You Feel It', 'Everybody', 'Your Ways', and 'Wondering Who' are just not that good to me.

Adisa said:

LiLi1992 said:

They are absolutely equal to me.

2 very good, but not great albums.I chose Triumph because it is the only album of The Jacksons, which I really like. You can listen to from beginning to end without skipping songs, it is an indicator of class for me.
Many people here are fans of both artists, so weird that you think everyone would prefer any album by Prince.
Prince, has always been a very productive, he released a lot of stuff, some great and a lot of good albums. MJ worked on every album 3 years or more, so the first five of his solo (adult) albums are very, very strong, IMHO.

Flopinsible is horrible ... really ...but the others have their great moments.

I am a fan of both. However, for me Triumph is a bit trite and is not as consistent as Dirty Mind in the quality of songwriting. 'Can You Feel It', 'Everybody', 'Your Ways', and 'Wondering Who' are just not that good to me.

Triumph lacks absolute hit, but this album is good.
and I love Can You Feel It 'and' Everybody

it's just a subjective opinion. You prefer, for example, Destiny, but I rarely listen to this album, I can forget about its existence for months, so the For You is better for me.

Although I generally prefer MJ 1987-1997 (musical). Until Thriller albums were nice and some great songs, but a bit out of my taste.

2012:

P: R&R LA

MJ: -

Who wins?

Graycap23 said:

Marrk said:

Nothing on The Rainbow Children is as good as either 'Butterflies' or 'Whatever Happens' IMHO. So uh, Invincible wins. Plus it's not anti-semetic either. History was though with 'They don't Care About Us', so The Gold Experience wins!

We're talking about albums not singles. One catchy single does not a good album make. As an album TRC is much better. Even if you don't like it, the superior quality is evident-- or it should be.

wanted to say i appreciate what both artists did with their career and pioneering, i don't like MJ i know i said i look up to him but truth is, he is in my dreams alot, and i am just curious why, so i did some research about him. i don't like his songs, but i know them and think about them, really MJ his music is not my type or style or has any particular attraction in terms of significance to me and my beliefs or my life. but why is he in my dreams? songs like is it scary make me cry because he is right, it is scary when someone you don't particularly like is haunting me in my dreams. geesh i even prefer Jennifer Lopez (hip hop) to MJ music. really my style has always been old scool hip hop rnb, and prince is the only one i hold dear outside of that because as a child i had sort of made a promise to myself to buy his cd's when i got older and i eventually seen him 4 times in concert now. you didn't mention my fave albums, like batman, lovesexy, gb, nps, as a child i would see his albums in the store and promise myself i would look into it when i got older. prince has been apart of my conscious throughout my life, MJ only song i can remember liking as a child was She drives me wild. I wanted to be Naomi Campell And Tatiana, but really his musical talents are not my taste. although his artestry and talent are phenomenal, and he can sing, but he doesn't turn me on like prince has, prince is a true player.

udo said:

2012:

P: R&R LA

MJ: -

Who wins?

mediocre new song vs calm tranquil silence?

Tough one.