KeithyT said:

rdhull said:

no

same as it ever was (do the hand chop on the arm rd)

Hey Dez(org)...do you like my (new version)band?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

NeonCraxx said:

It needs to be up there.

Uh no, it doesn't.

Oh yes, it does.

It's amazing.

UH-MAY-ZING

I like it.

Other people might like it.

They should be in on the new Prince track even if most people including yourself don't like it.

DON'T CHA THINK?!

HMMM?!

Which brings me back to my original statement:

It needs to be on the front page.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Edited 11/24/11 11:44am]

rdhull said:

KeithyT said:

same as it ever was (do the hand chop on the arm rd)

If this were the old days, there'd be a 7" edit without the rap, and a 12" mix about 8 minutes long. That groove at the end of this new version coulda gone on a few more mins like an old Extended Version. In the end, thumbs up.

Original version is tops, of course, and it's not even that difficult to smoothly cut out the rape part of it. I've done it, it's fine.

Edit about Editing: I'll be making that 7" edit of the 2011 version very quickly.

[Edited 11/24/11 12:32pm]

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

stop it dave. you know talking sense isn't allowed in these parts.

rlittler81 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

3 things strike me about this photo

1. anyone notice the lovesexy writing style in the photo of prince?

2. is this the most female oriented band he's ever had?

3. i'm trying 2 figure out where in paisley this was shot at based on my memory but it seems the decor of the building has changed again it seems

It's in the part of Paisley Park that used to the Love4OneAnother room apparantly.

Yes, that's what I thought, too.

This kind of reminds me the when doves cry photo shoot (except different band, different scenery and prince not in photo)

babyjubilation said:

It kills me that only Andy and Cassandra know where the camera is

All the choreographed, contrived gazing off into the distance in that photo reminds me of this:

[img:$uid]http://www.therealmusician.com/images/eric-cartman-faith-plus-one.jpg[/img:$uid]

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Sigh....no matter what he does, you guys are going to be INTENT on giving him dap for crapping out this piece of shit (and other shit he does). ANYBODY can turn an existing song into something else, especially if it's as inferior to the original version as this one is.

The purple Kool-Aid drinking in these parts is just simply AMAZING!!!

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Umm.. like hell it does. It's not hard at all. Prince has done this time and again. The chords are all fcked up for legal reason. Same for the tempo changes and everything else. He thought he could throw some autotune and rap on it and possibly have something, just because extra loveable is probably the most popular unreleased track he has. How sad is it that this is the best he could do? I could never have imagined Prince being this far off his game.

rdhull said:

Hey Dez(org)...do you like my (new version)band?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Sigh....no matter what he does, you guys are going to be INTENT on giving him dap for crapping out this piece of shit (and other shit he does). ANYBODY can turn an existing song into something else, especially if it's as inferior to the original version as this one is.

The purple Kool-Aid drinking in these parts is just simply AMAZING!!!

I don't think I am the one you would want me to be in this kind of discussion. When Prince does wrong, I will not defend him. Rich Friends was a boring piece of nothingness.

And your "ANYBODY can turn an existing song into something else" statement shows that you do not know much about musical theory and the process of composing and recording a track.

Please, believe me, even if this version is inferior to the original one (which is always going to be highly subjective), it's really good work.

chewymusic said:

rdhull said:

Hey Dez(org)...do you like my (new version)band?

funksterr said:

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Umm.. like hell it does. It's not hard at all. Prince has done this time and again. The chords are all fcked up for legal reason. Same for the tempo changes and everything else. He thought he could throw some autotune and rap on it and possibly have something, just because extra loveable is probably the most popular unreleased track he has. How sad is it that this is the best he could do? I could never have imagined Prince being this far off his game.

Again, "throwing this and that into a song" will not make it a different, coherent version of the song. Writing a piece of music is a sophisticated artform and hardly any rework of an old song will sound coherent and strong on its own. If you had never heard the old version you'd probably love this version (maybe sans the rap, as many people on the org seem to hate rap).

There's no autotune on that track.

funksterr said:

Umm.. like hell it does. It's not hard at all. Prince has done this time and again. The chords are all fcked up for legal reason. Same for the tempo changes and everything else. He thought he could throw some autotune and rap on it and possibly have something, just because extra loveable is probably the most popular unreleased track he has. How sad is it that this is the best he could do? I could never have imagined Prince being this far off his game.

Legal reasons?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

The purple Kool-Aid drinking in these parts is just simply AMAZING!!!

It's nothing compared to the vitriolic hating going on.

paulludvig said:

funksterr said:

Umm.. like hell it does. It's not hard at all. Prince has done this time and again. The chords are all fcked up for legal reason. Same for the tempo changes and everything else. He thought he could throw some autotune and rap on it and possibly have something, just because extra loveable is probably the most popular unreleased track he has. How sad is it that this is the best he could do? I could never have imagined Prince being this far off his game.

Legal reasons?

Forgot to add that to my original reply:

Not true. He could have simply re-recorded the whole song the way it was originally and the recording (master) would have been his. If he was covering another artist without permission, the chords are not "fucked up" enough for this to be called a legitimate new song. Neither does slowing a song down.

When it comes to chords in legal discussions, the court usually has a look as the bass line (bass notes), because they "make" most of a song. In this case, the bass line hasn't changed a single bit, so he couldn't have done it for "legal reasons".

Apart from all that, what legal reasons would he have? He can re-record and release any of his songs, anytime. There might only be slight problems when someone else co-produced a song (which is not the case with Extra Lovable).

why are people still saying that he changes these songs so much because he won't be

able to release the original recordings?

hasn't it been assessed yet that he can do whatever he wants with his unreleased and

unheard songs?

he's done it before in a few instances. notably with 20 songs on "crystal ball".

prince wasn't simply 'allowed' to release crystal ball because warners were still hoping

he would come back to them. their deals were done by then, prince delivered all that

he had to and went his own way.

the only reason prince changes these songs around is because he wants to do it that

way. tracks on crystal ball were changed too, either for mixing the discs coherently,

or because of old bandmates involvement (crystal ball without wendy and lisa etc etc).

more recently with tracks like "large room with no light" and now "extraloveable" he's

just pulling those old songs out of the vault for some reason, probably because he has

remembered them for some reason of because new people in his inner circle tell him

how much they used to like this or that song when they were young. i mean, you can

be sure prince asks them if they heard the bootlegs. the subject will come up.

whatever. he dusts off a track and in his new mindset, 30 years down the road, he is

listening to this differently from the way we are. like he said in an interview a little

while back about listening to his old albums and being somewhat embarassed about

his guitar playing on them. he just listens to those tracks and is probably either too

critical on himself or thinks "yeah, the song is good, but it needs something else....."

to me that seems far more likely than there being any legal ramifications if he would

decide to release his vault stuff online or on cd in unchanged format.

you can bet that prince thinks this version is the shit or he wouldn't release it. he's in

rehearsal for the canada tour and just like with "large room with no light" they plan on

playing this one live. doc funkenberry reported about a 25 minute live version of it a

while ago.

but whatever the reason is. i'm beyond being angry when he releases anything that is

tampered with or re-recorded. what's the point anyway?

when we got crystal ball and we got to hear some of those cherished bootlegs in good

quality, it didn't really enhance those songs for me. it was cool, very cool. but it's not

like i consider "moviestar" from the crystal ball album to be miles above the bootleg

version. the soundquality is better, yes. but a part of the mystique is also gone and a

lot of the bootleg material has been ingrained into your mind for 20 years now and it

just changes a lot when you hear it in "good quality". that sounds weird, but it's true

for me.

at the end of the day i just view this as a nice surprise release that doesn't irk me in

any way. well except for the rap, perhaps, lol.

it would be cool to get the old albums remastered with all these outtakes added to

them, like everyone and their mother has been doing for the past decade. but prince

doesn't seem into that. possibly in that case indeed because of shit with warners he

can't get leveled out. or because of other reasons.

in the meantime, i'm bobbing my head to this song. and if the original ever surfaces

on a remaster, great. if not, the bootleg is pretty good quality and i've heard it so

many times that i can play that song in my mind without every even listening to it

anymore.

on that note, bring on a full album or 2 disc set of prime vault material in new and

alternate versions. it's a nice experiment at least.

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Well said Dave and a lot of good points. But, to be completely honest, I still like the original version better

Nah seriously, as far as Im concerned it's all cool, some people on here take any opportunity to get their panties in a bunch. But what do they know really about music?

All I really care about is that Prince again re-visited one of his unreleased classics, but that the r&b style he gave to it, is not to my liking. I like the funky rhytm guitar he now plays but I miss the original hunting linn based rhytm and guitar (power chords) of the original.

Then again, the snippet of the re-make of We Can Funk sounded lovely to my ears.

So: Hit and miss

[Edited 11/24/11 15:27pm]

It's a fab photo. What r the words on the poster? Somewhere here on earth?

RubyButterfly said:

babyjubilation said:

It kills me that only Andy and Cassandra know where the camera is

All the choreographed, contrived gazing off into the distance in that photo reminds me of this:

[img:$uid]http://www.therealmusician.com/images/eric-cartman-faith-plus-one.jpg[/img:$uid]

I hear ya, Dave. When I first listed to this, I was not pleased.....it just didn't seem to have that edge. For me, the original is exactly as you describe it. But if he's released this song (and I've been eagerly anticipating this for a long time), that means he'll probably blow the roof off when he plays it live. And that will make everything - EVERYTHING - better.

Dave1992 said:

This is very funky and I'm looking forward to the full version.

The thing is, the original is untouchable and will remain so, because it simply is the original. You can't compare any version to it, and certainly not this one, because it's completely different and.

The new version is freshly funky and playful and I really dig that.

The old version is more aggressive and in-yo-face, but, like I said - you can't and shouldn't compare them.

If it were a completely new track (or we wouldn't know the old version) I bet all of us would be completely blown away.

Good stuff.

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

I have to disagree with you to a point. While it is hard to do it what you explained, he as done in before. He redid his song, "The Dance" and in that case he made it a much better song. The original version, was in my opinion, dense and lacking soul. The new version that appeared on "3121", was a dramatic improvement. So, while it might be harder to do, than people think, if he had put his mind to it, it could have been better.

Dave1992 said:

What people seem to forget is that it takes another creative dimension to take your own already existing song and make it sound completely different.

You may prefer one version over the other, of course, but I think that this should be taken into account when forming such a strong opinion on this new song.

When you record a song (which you have constructured for days and then spent hours on recording it, mixing it etc) you usually listen to it at least 50 times. Then you decide whether you're satisfied or not etc. Most musicians just do it that way and it's also understandable. It's out of question that you familiarise yourself with this song more than anyone else could do. While listening to it, you not only of course know all the words and sounds, but your fingers actually twitch as if you were playing the lick on the guitar - your brain just remembers everything, even 10+ years later.

The steps Prince took to create a new version are simple, yet huge if you take into account that the old version was a finished article and considered a perfect song. He completely let go of all that and came up with something different - a funky, R&B style, fresh song. Slowing it down and delivering the lyrics out-of-time, the rap part, changing the power chords of the guitar into major chord melodies on the synth, adding the octave in the choir of the chorus etc.

Believe me, it's easier to write a completely new song than to take a finished, perfect song and create a completely new song out of it, that would definitely be able to stand on its own, especially when the original song is your own.

I think we should give him at peast props for that, no matter whether the new version is as jaw-dropping as the old one (how could it even be? No song could ever reach the mystery of an old bootleg that was released when most of you were young and full of sex, that had a rape-part in it...)!

Ok I gave it a second listen and its not that bad. I think because I was so in love with the original the remake shocked me a little. I think the problem with this song is the over autotuned part on the chorus which i was not prepared for. I've always loved the way Prince harmonizes his own voice on choruses so this is something new. if that part was cleaner it was a good song. I could see this rocking out live. Nothing will take away the stripped down rawness of the original but this one is much better than the horrificness of the 1999 remake i also think that group that remixed that other version was better.