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Thread started 11/20/11 8:02pm

thebanishedone

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Lack of trade mark rim sound on 20Ten

Prince used real linn drum machine on 2oTen,

but not a single song contain his tuned

rim sound that is all over the Purple Rain,1999 albums.

On MplSound album a year before Prince used

pluggins instead of real linn

but he used the rim like on the songs Chocolate Box,Dance 4 me and other.

Do you find it odd he didn't use the rim sound when

he was obviously aiming for his old mpls sound?

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Reply #1 posted 11/20/11 10:53pm

David1974

It's not the LM-1 snare as well. He used another.
Maybe he used the Linndrum instead of the LM-1 on 20Ten? I wouldn't know why, but it could explain both (the pitch for the snare also effects the rim on the Linndrum) and the snare sounds like the Linndrum snare. And if I recall correctly, the cover of MPLS-sound had a Linndrum on it instead of the LM-1.

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Reply #2 posted 11/21/11 2:02am

NouveauDance

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Lack of attention to detail is the least of that albums problems.

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Reply #3 posted 11/21/11 2:44am

wally1970

I absolutely love the flow of this album , right up until the last two songs . I thought lay it down SUCKED , until i saw it live on george lopez , he ghucking smaaassht it up ,, got dam !?!?
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Reply #4 posted 11/21/11 10:18am

paisley2002

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He even let Bria use it on Elixir. It works like a snare on "Another Boy". It would have made perfect sense 2 hear that sound on 20TEN.

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Reply #5 posted 11/21/11 1:21pm

RufusRawfield

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He dont know how to use it no more. Back in th eday he was the master of the Linn sounds and now he don´t know how he created that magic. Instead he uses plugins and shittt. Why not give the fans what they want? Eitehr do or dont. but dont come up with no half assed shitt.

So either give it to em proper or don´t. Don´t fake the funk.

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Reply #6 posted 11/21/11 3:27pm

ufoclub

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Is there a difference between the plug-in and the actual old Linn unit in sound? I'm not talking about Prince's changes in production like the less reverb or flange or more compression and limiting... I mean the actual dry sound of the Linn.

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Reply #7 posted 11/21/11 4:39pm

lezama

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RufusRawfield said:

He dont know how to use it no more. Back in th eday he was the master of the Linn sounds and now he don´t know how he created that magic. Instead he uses plugins and shittt. Why not give the fans what they want? Eitehr do or dont. but dont come up with no half assed shitt.

So either give it to em proper or don´t. Don´t fake the funk.

Sorry, but magic isn't created by the use of Linn drums... otherwise The Dream would have found a way to create it.

Change it one more time..
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Reply #8 posted 11/21/11 11:23pm

thebanishedone

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lezama said:



RufusRawfield said:


He dont know how to use it no more. Back in th eday he was the master of the Linn sounds and now he don´t know how he created that magic. Instead he uses plugins and shittt. Why not give the fans what they want? Eitehr do or dont. but dont come up with no half assed shitt.


So either give it to em proper or don´t. Don´t fake the funk.




Sorry, but magic isn't created by the use of Linn drums... otherwise The Dream would have found a way to create it.


i think the magic is behind linn drum actualy.it was the essential sound of the song,those songs with real drum would sound much more conventional
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Reply #9 posted 11/22/11 12:13am

David1974

ufoclub said:

Is there a difference between the plug-in and the actual old Linn unit in sound? I'm not talking about Prince's changes in production like the less reverb or flange or more compression and limiting... I mean the actual dry sound of the Linn.


I see no reason for him to use plug-in's (unless recordings were made on the road). Are you sure about the use of plug-in's on MPLS?
The sound itself, there is a certain way about how the Linn runs the rythm's. So, the actual dry sound if you only push one button wouldn't be different. But if you'd let the actual machine run a rythm and compare that to the plug-in's... Especially the hi hat and the use of it's decay button.

I'm guessing no plug-in can compare to the real stuff (but some come very close). I own a Linndrum, Yamaha CP-70 piano, Rhodes piano, etc. I have plug-in's for all and they do come in handy sometimes, but nothing compares to the real thing.

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Reply #10 posted 11/22/11 5:03am

Tremolina

I agre with the op. One of the major flaws of this album and MPLSsound imo. I still feel that if P is going to use the linn, he should use as only he knows how. With the hard hitting snare and the beat ruling the song, not just playing a small part mainly in the background.

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Reply #11 posted 11/22/11 7:49am

ufoclub

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David1974 said:

ufoclub said:

Is there a difference between the plug-in and the actual old Linn unit in sound? I'm not talking about Prince's changes in production like the less reverb or flange or more compression and limiting... I mean the actual dry sound of the Linn.


I see no reason for him to use plug-in's (unless recordings were made on the road). Are you sure about the use of plug-in's on MPLS?
The sound itself, there is a certain way about how the Linn runs the rythm's. So, the actual dry sound if you only push one button wouldn't be different. But if you'd let the actual machine run a rythm and compare that to the plug-in's... Especially the hi hat and the use of it's decay button.

I'm guessing no plug-in can compare to the real stuff (but some come very close). I own a Linndrum, Yamaha CP-70 piano, Rhodes piano, etc. I have plug-in's for all and they do come in handy sometimes, but nothing compares to the real thing.

I don't know myself what he used lately, but it seems like everyone on here has information that points to him using a plugin. But I think I understand what you are saying: the sound of each intrument is identical to that of the plugin, but it's the sequencing and how it pushes them together in terms of transitioning from one voice to the other that can sound different.

But I'm willing to bet that most people would not be able to tell what was what if you put it to the test. I think people are mistaking his changes in production effects and mastering for flaws in a plugin version of an old instrument.

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