Tell you what. I will run it by the band and see if I can get them to play it. No promises but we are going to go out on the road soon so I will see(even if we just play it just one show). Stay tunes for tour updates or check our tour page for future updates. Peace ya'll. You guys rock!!

http://trustcompanyband.net/?page_id=53

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oh and whoever is right or wrong I guess we will never agree but Jesse rocks in my opinion. I hope the new Time cd actually happens

Tremolina said:

dandeeland said:

Im just a guitar player for fun in a bar band.

OK. Get back to us with your "guitar wisdom" when you get in to a REAL band and are able to do something like Prince, cool?

Because Prince never played in bars...

BlaqueKnight!, save us!

I seriously tried to listen to Jesse Johnson for a while now. He never shuts up. His guitar sounds like someone that didn't get enough attention, while Prince sounds like his playing in a much more confident way. Btw last time I saw Prince play, I thought it was a bit too much solos, but still it had more taste than the overplaying of Jesse. But Jesse is a beast, not saying anything against that. He could just use some pauses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAVba06G36I&feature=related this is some pretty good shit. But he should calm down. He's trying to prove something every split second, not giving it any time. Ironically he was a member of the and The Time. Give the art pauses some TIME. Seriously. He's not a superb composer, but a technical hendrixish player with edge and rawness that could get much better if he learned how to use the more quiet parts for more explosive feel, and build up a climax. His solos never hits a climax. It's trying to be one long climax, but that is not possible. I hate action movies that are trying to be one big climax. Jesse has the technical ability, just lack some writing ability. All imo though.

This thread is really fun. As usual, we have our bunch of virtual guitar players who play everything Prince does so easily (cuz his stuff on guitar is so easy to play of course), who think he is sloppy and who even cringe when they hear him play. JJ is obviously so much better than Prince but in fact anyone even themselves are better than Prince.

Of course these guys have not attended a single Prince concert for like 15 years or so cuz all those who have know how amazing Prince has become and improved on guitar for the last ten years as he has decided to focus a lot more on this instrument (I consider him as real guitar hero now btw).

Then I mention scales that I named specifically and we have someone who comes up with "Prince can't play Jazz". Who said Prince was a Jazz musician? The scales I mentioned are NOT Jazz scales for fuck's sake! The same person ignores that 95% of Rock/Pop musician only play in pentatonic contrary to Prince who use other scales I mentioned to mix them with pentatonic scales. But yes, I do agree, Prince is not a Jazz musician and does not master jazz vocabulary. And then? What's the problem? He masters so many genres already. I don't see where the issue is.

The same people who call themselves "guitar players" strangely sum up guitar playing to solos. Probably because they are too embarrassed to admit Prince is one of the very best in the FUNK/ROCK/POP world at rhythm guitar.

The same people ignore Prince cannot stand guitar players who show off their skills just for the sake to show their skills off. He admitted himself letting his ego get on the way when he played when he was younger while he tries to play clean now (which is a lot harder than playing pentatonic scales like a madman, uh?). Mike Scott said Prince had a massive go at him everytime he was showing off and that Prince has helped him "clean" his guitar play. That's something btw JJ should consider one day but I guess that's too late now.

Of course the same people who pretend to play Prince stuff so easily will never post their music as they can hardly play.

ohYeeeeeah said:

This thread is really fun. As usual, we have our bunch of virtual guitar players who play everything Prince does so easily (cuz his stuff on guitar is so easy to play of course), who think he is sloppy and who even cringe when they hear him play. JJ is obviously so much better than Prince but in fact anyone even themselves are better than Prince.

Of course these guys have not attended a single Prince concert for like 15 years or so cuz all those who have know how amazing Prince has become and improved on guitar for the last ten years as he has decided to focus a lot more on this instrument (I consider him as real guitar hero now btw).

Then I mention scales that I named specifically and we have someone who comes up with "Prince can't play Jazz". Who said Prince was a Jazz musician? The scales I mentioned are NOT Jazz scales for fuck's sake! The same person ignores that 95% of Rock/Pop musician only play in pentatonic contrary to Prince who use other scales I mentioned to mix them with pentatonic scales. But yes, I do agree, Prince is not a Jazz musician and does not master jazz vocabulary. And then? What's the problem? He masters so many genres already. I don't see where the issue is.

The same people who call themselves "guitar players" strangely sum up guitar playing to solos. Probably because they are too embarrassed to admit Prince is one of the very best in the FUNK/ROCK/POP world at rhythm guitar.

The same people ignore Prince cannot stand guitar players who show off their skills just for the sake to show their skills off. He admitted himself letting his ego get on the way when he played when he was younger while he tries to play clean now (which is a lot harder than playing pentatonic scales like a madman, uh?). Mike Scott said Prince had a massive go at him everytime he was showing off and that Prince has helped him "clean" his guitar play. That's something btw JJ should consider one day but I guess that's too late now.

Of course the same people who pretend to play Prince stuff so easily will never post their music as they can hardly play.

Yeah, that. And I have yet to see anyone cover a prince solo in a good way. None of those saying prince guitar playing is easy has ever put anything interesting out. This is because those nerds are focused on technique only, while feel and "soul" doesn't count in their vocabular. And I'm not saying Prince is the best. I'm just saying people are really underrestimating his talent as a guitar player for stuff like not playing super fast and not over playing and not destroying the composition of a song.

ThreadBare said:

Tremolina said:

OK. Get back to us with your "guitar wisdom" when you get in to a REAL band and are able to do something like Prince, cool?

Because Prince never played in bars...

lmao, yeah when he was 15!

Then he grew to become a superstar and one of the most respected guitar players in popular music. Almost 40 years of playing the guitar live and on record.

Then comes this guitar player "for fun" in bar bands.

Tremolina said:

ThreadBare said:

Because Prince never played in bars...

lmao, yeah when he was 15!

Then he grew to become a superstar and one of the most respected guitar players in popular music. Almost 40 years of playing the guitar live and on record.

Then comes this guitar player "for fun" in bar bands.

Soulstar77A said:

dandeeland said:

Bare My Naked Soul by itself blows away all of Prince's guitar songs combined. Nevermind his live stuff.

The guitar work on the "Bare My Naked Soul" album is really outstanding

Excellent record, start to finish.

I like Prince & Jesse. Because they don't care about having a hit record on the charts. They just make music because that's what they do & love it....

On the org i often see a certain tendency among some people to overestimate the artistic significance of people who were working with Prince in the early days: Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris especially.

Its probably the result of people becoming a fan of Prince and the 'Minneapolis sound' during the early eighties. A period in which these 'fans' were teenagers themselves and saw the Prince universe as 'holy' almost.

I aint saying Prince is doing his best these days, with hard to obtain (mostly auto-pilot) albums like MPLsound and 20ten, but lets face it: where are Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris nowadays? They dont have commercial succes, but that isnt important in the first place. The issue is, they aren't even 'music critics darlings', far from that. Nobody seems to bother for the material they release, or about the concerts they perform. Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris fill their facebook pages with lines like 'used to play with Prince'....

Has it ever occured to you that many of these early 'cats' Prince played, were just moderately artistically gifted and simply benefited from 'being part of the Prince camp'?

It isn't for nothing that no early Prince-sidekick has become a commercial succes or has scored among the serious music press. They were competent musicians, no question about that, but putting Jesse on the same level as a guitarist as Prince is nonsense, fuelled by romantisized teenage memories.

Saying that The Time were threatening Prince is nonsense too. Prince = the Time, at least, the whole music, attitude, sound and lyrics as which that band became known for.

Who has heard new, inspiring output from Dez or Andre since the mid eighties? I don't. You can be as critical about Wendy and Lisa as you want, but at least they have released some albums with fine sounding (allthough a bit unpersonal) material since, and they keep working on movie- and TV soundtracks.

Again, as i see it, the people who overestimate Jesse Johnson, are probably the likes who still seem to think Rick James could have been a contender to Prince. Lets face it: Rick throwed away his career in the mid-eighties with his substance-abuse, and killed himself while Prince released Purple Rain and Sign of the Times. THATS the difference.

damn, you summed it up pretty well!

Well said Riverman37.

Riverman37 said:

On the org i often see a certain tendency among some people to overestimate the artistic significance of people who were working with Prince in the early days: Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris especially.

Its probably the result of people becoming a fan of Prince and the 'Minneapolis sound' during the early eighties. A period in which these 'fans' were teenagers themselves and saw the Prince universe as 'holy' almost.

I aint saying Prince is doing his best these days, with hard to obtain (mostly auto-pilot) albums like MPLsound and 20ten, but lets face it: where are Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris nowadays? They dont have commercial succes, but that isnt important in the first place. The issue is, they aren't even 'music critics darlings', far from that. Nobody seems to bother for the material they release, or about the concerts they perform. Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris fill their facebook pages with lines like 'used to play with Prince'....

Has it ever occured to you that many of these early 'cats' Prince played, were just moderately artistically gifted and simply benefited from 'being part of the Prince camp'?

It isn't for nothing that no early Prince-sidekick has become a commercial succes or has scored among the serious music press. They were competent musicians, no question about that, but putting Jesse on the same level as a guitarist as Prince is nonsense, fuelled by romantisized teenage memories.

Saying that The Time were threatening Prince is nonsense too. Prince = the Time, at least, the whole music, attitude, sound and lyrics as which that band became known for.

Who has heard new, inspiring output from Dez or Andre since the mid eighties? I don't. You can be as critical about Wendy and Lisa as you want, but at least they have released some albums with fine sounding (allthough a bit unpersonal) material since, and they keep working on movie- and TV soundtracks.

Again, as i see it, the people who overestimate Jesse Johnson, are probably the likes who still seem to think Rick James could have been a contender to Prince. Lets face it: Rick throwed away his career in the mid-eighties with his substance-abuse, and killed himself while Prince released Purple Rain and Sign of the Times. THATS the difference.

vitriol said:

Prince is a very good guitar player. In fact is the only rock guitarist I can listen to because he's VERY lyrical even when playing rock. But saying Prince is great at modalizing and things like that goes far beyond the line.

Just listen to the (edulcorated) jazz excersises he used to play at 3121 Las Vegas: the band might be playing a jazzy background, but Prince kept on playing in a rock-ish language because he hardly can go much farther than that.

Thank U!! Finally someone has the gall to say this...

'dre

DreZone said:

vitriol said:

Prince is a very good guitar player. In fact is the only rock guitarist I can listen to because he's VERY lyrical even when playing rock. But saying Prince is great at modalizing and things like that goes far beyond the line.

Just listen to the (edulcorated) jazz excersises he used to play at 3121 Las Vegas: the band might be playing a jazzy background, but Prince kept on playing in a rock-ish language because he hardly can go much farther than that.

Thank U!! Finally someone has the gall to say this...

'dre

And there we go again. So... for the 1000000th time, who told you you had to know Jazz and Bossa Nova scales to be a great guitar player? Uh? Clapton, Beck, Santana do not master Jazz vocabulary as well. Does it make them bad guitar players?

Prince is a Funk/Pop/Rock great guitar player. Nobody said here he was a Jazz musician for Christ sake. JJ like Prince are NOT Jazz musician as well.

[Edited 8/31/11 1:18am]

ohYeeeeeah said:

DreZone said:

Thank U!! Finally someone has the gall to say this...

'dre

And there we go again. So... for the 1000000th time, who told you you had to know Jazz and Bossa Nova scales to be a great guitar player? Uh? Clapton, Beck, Santana do not master Jazz vocabulary as well. Does it make them bad guitar players?

Prince is a Funk/Pop/Rock great guitar player. Nobody said here he was a Jazz musician for Christ sake. JJ like Prince are NOT Jazz musician as well.

[Edited 8/31/11 1:18am]

Right.

Better yet: Prince CAN play jazz guitar. Heard him doing stuff at the NSJ many of the amateurs on here could only dream of doing.

Tremolina said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

And there we go again. So... for the 1000000th time, who told you you had to know Jazz and Bossa Nova scales to be a great guitar player? Uh? Clapton, Beck, Santana do not master Jazz vocabulary as well. Does it make them bad guitar players?

Prince is a Funk/Pop/Rock great guitar player. Nobody said here he was a Jazz musician for Christ sake. JJ like Prince are NOT Jazz musician as well.

[Edited 8/31/11 1:18am]

Right.

Better yet: Prince CAN play jazz guitar. Heard him doing stuff at the NSJ many of the amateurs on here could only dream of doing.

I totally agree with you. He is such an instinctive and gifted musician he manages to play a lot of technical stuff by ear even in Jazz style even if he is not a proper Jazz guitar player.

Not to mention Prince blew them all away @ his induction in tne 2004 R&RHOF. The rock guitar gods had to give it up to him.Even if they didn't want to. He out played all of them with so much style & class. Love the way he always throws his guitar in the audience 4 the guitar tech to catch. That is so bad ass. Plus the way he recently is handing that dick guitar to his fans in the audience. I had a chance to hold it and rub it. I touched a genius guitar!

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ohYeeeeeah said:

DreZone said:

Thank U!! Finally someone has the gall to say this...

'dre

And there we go again. So... for the 1000000th time, who told you you had to know Jazz and Bossa Nova scales to be a great guitar player? Uh? Clapton, Beck, Santana do not master Jazz vocabulary as well. Does it make them bad guitar players?

Prince is a Funk/Pop/Rock great guitar player. Nobody said here he was a Jazz musician for Christ sake. JJ like Prince are NOT Jazz musician as well.

[Edited 8/31/11 1:18am]

I can't really believe that Prince can't pull off some decent jazz. He was already a monster pop, rock, funk guitar player before the 80s. Playing guitar for many hours every day with other highly skilled musicians for more than 30 years, learning different ways of listening and playing by the likes of Eric Leeds, Lisa, Wendy in his "early career"... I know a few musicians that I don't consider as good as Prince that is studying jazz guitar on a high level music academy for special talents. These are friends I've been listening to, and seen many times live. I think it's a matter of taste why Prince isn't using much jazz scales.

Prince can play jazz. Listen to the guitar solos on "She Spoke to Me" or "Clocking the Jizz".

Pure bliss.

williamb610 said:

Prince can play jazz. Listen to the guitar solos on "She Spoke to Me" or "Clocking the Jizz".

Pure bliss.

The solo on "She spoke 2 me" was played by Levi. Don't know about "Clockin' the jizz".

[Edited 8/31/11 23:22pm]

Riverman37 said:

On the org i often see a certain tendency among some people to overestimate the artistic significance of people who were working with Prince in the early days: Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris especially.

Its probably the result of people becoming a fan of Prince and the 'Minneapolis sound' during the early eighties. A period in which these 'fans' were teenagers themselves and saw the Prince universe as 'holy' almost.

I aint saying Prince is doing his best these days, with hard to obtain (mostly auto-pilot) albums like MPLsound and 20ten, but lets face it: where are Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris nowadays? They dont have commercial succes, but that isnt important in the first place. The issue is, they aren't even 'music critics darlings', far from that. Nobody seems to bother for the material they release, or about the concerts they perform. Jesse, Andre, Dez and Morris fill their facebook pages with lines like 'used to play with Prince'....

Has it ever occured to you that many of these early 'cats' Prince played, were just moderately artistically gifted and simply benefited from 'being part of the Prince camp'?

It isn't for nothing that no early Prince-sidekick has become a commercial succes or has scored among the serious music press. They were competent musicians, no question about that, but putting Jesse on the same level as a guitarist as Prince is nonsense, fuelled by romantisized teenage memories.

Saying that The Time were threatening Prince is nonsense too. Prince = the Time, at least, the whole music, attitude, sound and lyrics as which that band became known for.

Who has heard new, inspiring output from Dez or Andre since the mid eighties? I don't. You can be as critical about Wendy and Lisa as you want, but at least they have released some albums with fine sounding (allthough a bit unpersonal) material since, and they keep working on movie- and TV soundtracks.

Again, as i see it, the people who overestimate Jesse Johnson, are probably the likes who still seem to think Rick James could have been a contender to Prince. Lets face it: Rick throwed away his career in the mid-eighties with his substance-abuse, and killed himself while Prince released Purple Rain and Sign of the Times. THATS the difference.

This statement seems to be quite off-topic in this thread. I would never ever claim that Jesse can touch Prince on a creative level, although I do find parts of his last album much more enjoyable than Prince's new material.

As for the guitar playing, which this thread was originally about, I can't see that Prince had a lot of impact on Jesse. From a guitaristic point of view Jesse's guitar skills are superior than Prince's.

funkomatic said:

williamb610 said:

Prince can play jazz. Listen to the guitar solos on "She Spoke to Me" or "Clocking the Jizz".

Pure bliss.

The solo on "She spoke 2 me" was played by Levi. Don't know about "Clockin' the jizz".

[Edited 8/31/11 23:22pm]

On the Xenophobia CD, there are plenty of very nice guitar parts played by Prince.

ohYeeeeeah said:

funkomatic said:

The solo on "She spoke 2 me" was played by Levi. Don't know about "Clockin' the jizz".

[Edited 8/31/11 23:22pm]

On the Xenophobia CD, there are plenty of very nice guitar parts played by Prince.

Not a good example to choose from, because especially on this record you can see how limited his jazz vocabulary is when it comes to improvisation.

BTW: I don't want to talk down Prince's guitar skills. He's really good at what he's doing. It's just about putting things into perspective.

[Edited 9/1/11 1:22am]

funkomatic said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

On the Xenophobia CD, there are plenty of very nice guitar parts played by Prince.

Not a good example to choose from, because especially on this record you can see how limited his jazz vocabulary is when it comes to improvisation.

BTW: I don't want to talk down Prince's guitar skills. He's really good at what he's doing. It's just about putting things into perspective.

[Edited 9/1/11 1:22am]

I totally disagree with you. The way he plays on Xenophobia is very neat, clear, precise and straight to the point and shows no limit whatsoever.

And btw, there is no improvisation on Xenophobia. The whole damn thing has been written and thought by Prince.

Xogenous... Hum Yummy...

[Edited 9/1/11 3:54am]

Lol, Jazz without improvisation! It's about time to get some musical education!

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funkomatic said:

Lol, Jazz without improvisation! It's about time to get some musical education!

[Edited 9/1/11 4:03am]

I've studied music (piano and guitar) for 35 years and you?

If you don't know some parts are totally written in Jazz when it comes to record in a studio, I feel very sorry for you. Of course, real Jazz LIVE is about improvisation. But Prince did not improvise anything at all on this record. If you can't hear nothing is improvised, I'm sorry for the two poor ears you've got to appreciate music.

Do you own the Bekerley Jazz Bible with thousands of Jazz amazing music for Jazz guitar and piano realized by students and teachers? You would understand then that many pro musicians play Jazz note by note like for Classical music parts.

[Edited 9/1/11 5:01am]