Imaginative said:

Militant said:

The list I am referring to is a new list, released last year. I know, because I was on tour with my band in Canada when it came out. We had a ferry ride from Vancouver over to Vancouver Island for a gig, and they had a newsagent onboard which had that magazine for sale. I spent the whole ferry ride reading it. There was at least 8 of Prince's own released songs in there and then there was 3 or 4 others songs that he had written but were released by others. I stood there in the newsagent counting, and Prince had more songs than anyone except The Beatles, and when it came to songs written by John or Paul, Prince had more than either of them as individuals.

A mythical list and a mythical friend! At least we're back on topic! Maybe the magazine you were reading was Rulling Stun. You obviously are unable to produce any such list, even though the Rolling Stone list you refer to is reprinted all over the net.

Actually, Rolling Stone did publish an ammended list in 2010, online only, I believe. However, it doesn't relate to our discussion at all, except it gave Dylan one more entry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...f_All_Time

The songs added in the update are as follows. U2 and Jay-Z both have two songs added to the list, however Jay-Z is also featured in an additional two other new songs on the list, "Crazy in Love" by Beyoncé, and "Umbrella" by Rihanna:

• "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley (#100)
• "Crazy in Love" by Beyonce featuring Jay-Z (#118)
• "Moment of Surrender" by U2 (#160)
• "99 Problems" by Jay-Z (#172)
• "Rehab" by Amy Winehouse (#194)
• "Paper Planes" by M.I.A. (#236)
• "Mississippi" by Bob Dylan (#260)
• "Jesus Walks" by Kanye West (#273)
• "Seven Nation Army" by The White Stripes (#286)
• "One More Time" by Daft Punk (#307)
• "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand (#327)
• "Beautiful Day" by U2 (#345)
• "Maps" by Yeah Yeah Yeahs (#386)
• "Umbrella" by Rihanna featuring Jay-Z (#412)
• "Juicy" by The Notorious B.I.G. (#424)
• "American Idiot" by Green Day (#432)
• "In da Club" by 50 Cent (#448)
• "Get Ur Freak On" by Missy Elliott (#466)
• "Big Pimpin'" by Jay-Z featuring UGK (#467)
• "Last Nite" by The Strokes (#478)
• "Since U Been Gone" by Kelly Clarkson (#482)
• "Cry Me a River" by Justin Timberlake (#484)
• "Clocks" by Coldplay (#490)
• "Time to Pretend" by MGMT (#493)
• "Ignition (Remix)" by R. Kelly (#494)
• "The Rising" by Bruce Springsteen (#497)

The songs dropped from the list in the update are as follows. The Crystals are the only artist to have had two songs dropped from the list:

• "Da Doo Ron Ron" by The Crystals (#114)
• "Lose Yourself" by Eminem (#166)
• "Sh-Boom" by The Chords (#215)
• "Band of Gold" by Freda Payne (#391)
• "Kicks" by Paul Revere & the Raiders (#400)
• "I Believe I Can Fly" by R. Kelly (#406)
• "Crossroads" by Cream (#409)
• "Lola" by The Kinks (#422)
• "Devil With A Blue Dress On/Good Golly Miss Molly" by Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels (#428)
• "Keep A-Knockin'" by Little Richard (#442)
• "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" by Glen Campbell (#450)
• "Stagger Lee" by Lloyd Price (#456)
• "One Fine Day" by The Chiffons (#460)
• "Search and Destroy" by The Stooges (#468)
• "It's Too Late" by Carole King (#469)
• "Free Man in Paris" by Joni Mitchell (#470)
• "On the Road Again" by Willie Nelson (#471)
• "One Nation Under a Groove" by Funkadelic (#474)
• "Graceland" by Paul Simon (#485)
• "Rhiannon" by Fleetwood Mac (#488)
• "You Don't Have to Say You Love Me" by Dusty Springfield (#491)
• "Then He Kissed Me" by The Crystals (#493)
• "Desperado" by Eagles (#494)
• "Rainy Night in Georgia" by Brook Benton (#498)
• "The Boys Are Back in Town" by Thin Lizzy (#499)
• "More Than a Feeling" by Boston (#500)

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They fucking dropped "Rhiannon"? "On the Road Again" and "Lola"? Rolling Stone magazine was relevant in the 70's, but their almost as bad as Entertainment Magazine when it comes to critical evaluation of pop music. They're scoring more points now with their non-music related articles for sure. There's no pop analysis credibility in there now, and I think they were losing it by the late 80's. Even in the late 80's the english mags like Melody Maker were so much better. Now those English magazines seem anemic of music criticism too. Outside of politics and history based articles, I don't put much water in these music rags writing. Same goes for movie related articles. It seems like interesting individual critical views have gone on the wayside for bandwagoning, money soaking vibe.

KenniHeartz211 said:

Imaginative said:

That IS the ROLLING STONE top 500 Songs list! If you Google it, you will come up with the same list over and over.

I'm already said that I'm fine letting this thing drop, however Militant and Greycap can't seem to let it go. I didn't even want this thread to turn into a Prince/Beatles/Dylan thing, and now you want to bring MJ into it? Militant began by saying "Prince has written more great songs than anyone," and I simply pointed out that it was a silly statement and that it's is and cannot be based in fact.

Ah, the old "I have a friend," argument! I'm not even going to discuss MJ (although I did slip and begin to in another thread, it was a mistake) because this is a music discussion. He was already a broken has-been when he died. Dying was the best career move he could make.

Militant/Greycap: If you really insist on continuing the pointless debate, please do so in the "Prince: Songwriters" thread where it is more pertinent. or start your own "Prince is Better and More Important than The Beatles and Dylan" thread. That should be interesting. Or better yet, go to a GENERAL music forum like stevehoffman.tv and start that thread!

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What is your issue?

I guess the issue is when you have a weak argument to begin with and keep getting shut down, you dog MJ when all else fails.

KenniHeartz211 said:

Timmy84 said:

We need a forum manual on where to spot attention-seekers... because... well... you figure it out. This thread ran its course ten pages back. Time to dead it now. Seriously.

Yep.

babynoz said:

KenniHeartz211 said:

What is your issue?

I guess the issue is when you have a weak argument to begin with and keep getting shut down, you dog MJ when all else fails.

You have to have an argument for it to be weak. I'm simply stating that The Beatles were important and changed music. This is the first time I've ever visited a planet where that is considered a "weak argument." Again, not really looking to discuss MJ, but if only to defend my earlier statement...

Regardless of whether you find what I said to be cold, it's a universally accepted truth that his career was at an all-time low and that he was hemorrhaging money when he died. It's also true that his back catalog sales soared after his suicide (or whatever you want to call it), plus he got a hit (albeit morbid) movie out of the deal. Not really seeing what is wrong with stating any of that, being that it's pretty much accepted fact.

The Jackson 5, Off the Wall and Thriller were awesome though. (Although Thriller has aged the least gracefully of those.) Personally, I take Janet's Jam & Lewis studio albums by leaps and bounds. Those albums album still sound off the hook, fresh and maybe even more erotic than Prince's nastiest (but maybe because I'm a straight dude).

I promise to lay off M.J. from here on in... unless asked.

babynoz said:

KenniHeartz211 said:

What is your issue?

I guess the issue is when you have a weak argument to begin with and keep getting shut down, you dog MJ when all else fails.

quoted for truth.

and i'm done. like i have nothing better to do than invent mythical magazines and friends... suuuure.

all i can say is, this site is long overdue for a few changes to prevent... certain idiotic debates from continuing. not as if any other people other than the OP believe that dylan or beatles have more great songs than Prince anyway, so it is what it is.

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Militant said:

. ...not as if any other people other than the OP believe that dylan or beatles have more great songs than Prince anyway...

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Nope, not a one.

Let me know when you find that list that you were so insistent on throwing in my face. You know, that Rolling Stone Top 500 Songs thingy you mentioned that gave Prince more "great songs" than Dylan and The Beatles. Tell you what, as this forum is my witness, produce it and I'll Paypal you $100. Go on, boy.

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