luv4u said:

That was his personal choice.

You got to respect that.

Agreed. I don't even think this is something that should be up for debate if you ask me.

Religion/spirituality are deeply personal things. You can't say Prince being a JW is wrong. Thats his choice and I think we should all respect that whether you agree or not.

His life, his choice.

Cinnamon234 said:

luv4u said:

That was his personal choice.

You got to respect that.

Agreed. I don't even think this is something that should be up for debate if you ask me.

Religion/spirituality are deeply personal things. You can't say Prince being a JW is wrong. Thats his choice and I think we should all respect that whether you agree or not.

His life, his choice.

Nice post.

electricberet said:

I guess we'll find out when the rainbow children come out to do the work and get their family name or whatever.

Speaking of "Family Name" I actually like that track on the Rainbow Children cd. He pushed buttons with that song which caused many discussions/debates to take place among fans, even if there were many disagreements/agreements/questions related to the lyrics expressed on that track.

luv4u said:

That was his personal choice.

You got to respect that.

says who?

Good choice? Nah.

I wouldn t encourage anyone to become a member of an organised religion.

2elijah said:

vitriol said:

Prince had met Larry in a studio when he was recording his first or second album, but then they met again in 97 or 98 in Nashville and since Prince was not in good animic shape (he'd just lost his son, his parents...) Larry saw the opportunity of his life to get such a celebrity recruited into his 'faith'.

That's a fact, not what I 'believe or think'.

Finally, I wipe my arsehole with karma.

Well, I also heard it was his mother that wanted him to become a JW, so all the stories of how he chose to embrace the JW faith are conflicting. So it makes no sense to hold hatred toward anyone you "assumed" led him to become a JW. It's no secret Prince has always incorporated God/religion into his music long before he joined the JW faith. It's also not your personal decision, mine or anyone else's to choose another's faith. You're entitled to an opinion of it, but you can't choose it for them, because you don't walk in anyone else's shoes but your own, and live your own life experience(s).

Oh, by the way, you may need extra tissue to wipe that karma from your asshole.

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I heard that too but a few years ago we had a JW orger named Sensual Melody who said his mom was not a witness.

Besides, wasn't his first encounter with JW through George Benson at Paisley Park around '96? How comes nobody hates on George Benson?

All this hand wringing over other people's personal choices is weird.

^Agreed. But those personal choices directly affect his music (it's clearly inferior) and that DOES affect us. Hence it's a valid topic.

babynoz said:

2elijah said:

Well, I also heard it was his mother that wanted him to become a JW, so all the stories of how he chose to embrace the JW faith are conflicting. So it makes no sense to hold hatred toward anyone you "assumed" led him to become a JW. It's no secret Prince has always incorporated God/religion into his music long before he joined the JW faith. It's also not your personal decision, mine or anyone else's to choose another's faith. You're entitled to an opinion of it, but you can't choose it for them, because you don't walk in anyone else's shoes but your own, and live your own life experience(s).

Oh, by the way, you may need extra tissue to wipe that karma from your asshole.

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I heard that too but a few years ago we had a JW orger named Sensual Melody who said his mom was not a witness.

Besides, wasn't his first encounter with JW through George Benson at Paisley Park around '96? How comes nobody hates on George Benson?

All this hand wringing over other people's personal choices is weird.

Exactly. So many different stories about how he became a JW, when the bottom line is no matter who it was around him at the time he chose to accept that faith, it was still his personal decision, made by a grown man. The ridiculous hatred, which makes absolutely no sense at all, towards one of his personal friends, by some fans who think that particular friend was solely responsible for Prince's decision to become a a JW, can't be verified unless they hear that from Prince himself, and even if it was/is true, do they really think Prince will drop his religious beliefs to satisfy the void some fans seem to be desperately missing in their lives, waiting for him to fulfill it based on the current lyrics in his songs, which some fans seem to believe that his current religious beliefs is blocking him from fulfilling? Hilarious.

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JW is not a 'faith', it's a sect.

vitriol said:

^Agreed. But those personal choices directly affect his music (it's clearly inferior) and that DOES affect us. Hence it's a valid topic.

Nah, this weekly rehashing of Prince's conversion hasn't been noteworthy for quite some time. Surely people aren't still devastated after a dozen years?

I dunno, there have been periods when I wasn't interested in what Prince was doing and while I wouldn't characterize those eras of music as inferior, I just forgot about him till he came up with something I could get into.

vitriol said:

^Agreed. But those personal choices directly affect his music (it's clearly inferior) and that DOES affect us. Hence it's a valid topic.

That's your opinion, not a fact. I like his new music just fine.

How long Prince's been a JW? Since 2001?

If so, why do people who get SO upset he converted still stay around as if it's gonna convince him to "give it up".

Even folks who notice him singing wilder stuff in concert recently think that's a sign he's "tired" of the religion.

Ja Rule, DMX, Michael Jackson and 'em were ALL brought up as Jehovah's Witnesses (and I think Ja is still one to this day) and they still did non-JW things and weren't disfellowshipped for it. But I guess because Prince was "His Royal Badness" at one time and was sexual, then that makes it a bigger deal than the others.

And like someone else said, there HASN'T been a Prince album where he DIDN'T mention Jesus. Maybe in the first three but after that, God/Jesus showed up in most of his albums after that...to this day.

davetherave6767 said:

Sexy MF/Head/Sister/Lets Pretend Were Married/Soft & Wet/Do Me Baby/Private Joy/Jack U Off/D.M.S.R./Temptation/Come/Mad Sex/P-Control/319/.........When he became a jehovahs witness Prince lost that sexy naughty edge eye personally liked all the swearing & songs about sex sex & more sex but hes made his bed & now he must ly on it if that means we end up with 20ten then so b it!!Not much we can do about it!!!Eye just hope Prince is happy with Jehovah & Jehovah happy with Prince & thru Jehovah Princes next album rocks & we all love it!!!

I agree 100%. While I miss fun, edgy, carefree Prince, I can't think anything other than that it was a good choice if being a JW makes him happy and fulfilled. And while 20Ten isn't the most exciting album Prince has ever released, I like some of the more mellow songs ... there has been a lot of 'mellow' lately

KenniHeartz211 said:

davetherave6767 said:

Sexy MF/Head/Sister/Lets Pretend Were Married/Soft & Wet/Do Me Baby/Private Joy/Jack U Off/D.M.S.R./Temptation/Come/Mad Sex/P-Control/319/.........When he became a jehovahs witness Prince lost that sexy naughty edge eye personally liked all the swearing & songs about sex sex & more sex but hes made his bed & now he must ly on it if that means we end up with 20ten then so b it!!Not much we can do about it!!!Eye just hope Prince is happy with Jehovah & Jehovah happy with Prince & thru Jehovah Princes next album rocks & we all love it!!!

I agree 100%. While I miss fun, edgy, carefree Prince, I can't think anything other than that it was a good choice if being a JW makes him happy and fulfilled. And while 20Ten isn't the most exciting album Prince has ever released, I like some of the more mellow songs ... there has been a lot of 'mellow' lately

being happy and fulfilled doesn't lend itself to great art.

ChyChy143 said:

Becuase If He Dates People They Would Only Be Touching. So Its Basically Being Friends Since He Cant Have Sex. But What Do You Think?

No one has the insight or the right to ask or answer such a question.

FOR THE LAST TIME, MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NEVER A JEHOVAH WITNESS!!!

He may have 'associate' with them,might have attended meetings, but

he never was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witness.

Only his sister, Reebie Jackson is still a Witness.

Latoya claims she was one then one minute later she claims she wasn't. She likes

to flip flop with her stories.

I do remember seeing one interview with that one gentleman Michael used to be around

I can't pronounce his name nor spell it, but I do recall

he made a statement : 'It appears that Michael's world went upside down when he stopped

following the Jehovah's Witness faith, he was never the same person.'

There's a lot of truth to the statement above.

No

Timmy84 said:

How long Prince's been a JW? Since 2001?

If so, why do people who get SO upset he converted still stay around as if it's gonna convince him to "give it up".

Even folks who notice him singing wilder stuff in concert recently think that's a sign he's "tired" of the religion.

Ja Rule, DMX, Michael Jackson and 'em were ALL brought up as Jehovah's Witnesses (and I think Ja is still one to this day) and they still did non-JW things and weren't disfellowshipped for it. But I guess because Prince was "His Royal Badness" at one time and was sexual, then that makes it a bigger deal than the others.

And like someone else said, there HASN'T been a Prince album where he DIDN'T mention Jesus. Maybe in the first three but after that, God/Jesus showed up in most of his albums after that...to this day.

True. I think some fans have a problem separating the stage persona of Prince, from the Prince off-stage. Eventually at some point people mature and their outlook on life/life experiences change. He's a musician, performer who never promised anyone (fans) he would fulfill their real-life personal needs/desires through his songs. Sure he seduced many fans "lyrically" with many of his songs, but there's a point where many fans have to learn to separate "reality" from "fantasy", regarding their favorite musician/artist.

Just imagine how many fans are waiting around wishing he would change his religious beliefs or start swearing in his music like he did in the past, just so he can fill a void some fans can't figure out how to fulfill on their own. Or some fans hoping the Prince of yesterday will somehow present himself today, exactly how he did in his early years. He expressed that part of his image already, during that time of his career, and that mold has already been set in place, in which he owns.

I gather the fans that grew up with his music wouldn't be playing those songs from his early days with swearing/sexually explicit lyrics, in front of their kids, so why would they expect the Prince of now to continue doing that today? Why not just respect his choice not to swear or use sexually-explicit lyrics in this present time of his life, and embrace the 30 plus years of his music he's graced many fans around the world with, who now hold those treasures in their catalogue of music? It's all there if they need to take a trip back in time and fill that void some feel they may be missing in his music. Just my two cents.

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No, the records since he started to believe "the truth" would have been far more interesting had he converted to satanism.

Ja Rule was never a witness and before someone brings it up TERRANCE HOWARD is not a witness either, he said most of his family members are but not him...

Terrance Howard stated he's been studying for years, he knows it's the truth, but due to

his lifestyle it's hard for him to change..

[Edited 6/12/11 15:12pm]

RosesRred said:

FOR THE LAST TIME, MICHAEL JACKSON WAS NEVER A JEHOVAH WITNESS!!!

He may have 'associate' with them,might have attended meetings, but

he never was baptized as one of Jehovah's Witness.

Only his sister, Reebie Jackson is still a Witness.

Latoya claims she was one then one minute later she claims she wasn't. She likes

to flip flop with her stories.

I do remember seeing one interview with that one gentleman Michael used to be around

I can't pronounce his name nor spell it, but I do recall

he made a statement : 'It appears that Michael's world went upside down when he stopped

following the Jehovah's Witness faith, he was never the same person.'

There's a lot of truth to the statement above.

I think MJ was a JW, he even went to the door to door ministry. But he wrote a letter to the WTS and disassociated himself. His mom is still a JW and Reebie I heard was still going strong. As for the rest of the family, never heard anything about any of them being JW's, just that they attended the meetings at the Kingdom Hall when they were young. Heard it from someone who knew the family and MJ personally.

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ChyChy143 said:

Becuase If He Dates People They Would Only Be Touching. So Its Basically Being Friends Since He Cant Have Sex. But What Do You Think?

Because of the condition of their heart a person is drawn (invited) by Jehovah to the truth. In the end after they know all of God's requirements and such, they make a personal choice because of their appreciation for what they have learned and decide if they want to become baptised as a Witness. So if the person is into drugs or having sex outside of marriage, they would have to make certain changes to line their actions up with bible principles before they are approved to be a baptised Witness. He would also know that his only prospects for marriage would be another JW, another practicer of the faith. If a person does not want to live up to the bible standards, they also know that if they should purposely commit sin after they are no longer ignorant of what God requires, then some don't even think of getting baptised. So if he made the choice, he knew what he was doing and what was expected of them.

RosesRred said:

Ja Rule was never a witness and before someone brings it up TERRANCE HOWARD is not a witness either, he said most of his family members are but not him...

Terrance Howard stated he's been studying for years, he knows it's the truth, but due to

his lifestyle it's hard for him to change..

[Edited 6/12/11 15:12pm]

Yep, that's right. I think Ja Rule was raised around the truth and went to meetings but never made the truth his own and went off and did his own thing. But yeah, he is not a JW. And Terrence Howard, I think his ex-wife is a JW and I think even his kids but like you said, he said he didn't want to make changes - he doesn't have anything against JW's but he said it's his own self (I know a few people like that even in my family).

It may not have been his smartest choice.

Have you ever tried to ride a bicycle in high heels?

I think any group who thinks that they alone are the only true Christians and that they alone have the "truth" and the only correct interpretation of Scriptures like the Jehovah Witnesses is cultish and unhealthy. I dont care if Prince curses or not but he was better before becoming indoctrinated. If he wants a relationship with God he should go to God for direction and answers and not have a dependency on an organization or guru to tell him how he should think.

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RaspberrySalsa said:

I think any group who thinks that they alone are the only true Christians and that they alone have the "truth" and the only correct interpretation of Scriptures like the Jehovah Witnesses is cultish and unhealthy. I dont care if Prince curses or not but he was better before becoming indoctrinated. If he wants a relationship with God he should go to God for direction and answers and not have a dependency on an organization or guru to tell him how he should think.

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Eye have been there & what u say is true!!!!they think they r the chosen ones which when eye studied upset me a great deal!!!!& why im just davetherave & not davetheraveJW....

It's none of our business really. Has it effected his career?...Sure. In his case, it took away part of his act...but not entirely. He's still a lot more sexual than most singers his age.

What's the flipside?

You rather he didn't have an outlet for his demons and end up like so many of his contemporaries? It didn't work for MJ but if it works for Prince, and he's still out there working harder than ever....more power to him.

QuasarOfRock said:

Have you ever tried to ride a bicycle in high heels?

That's a Mormon.

vitriol said:

JW is not a 'faith', it's a sect.

When I stated "faith" in that context, in my post, I was referring to his belief in the JW religion, but like I stated in my previous post, from what I've heard, his mother wanted him to become a JW and get baptized before she passed away. Also, like orger "Babynoz" mentioned regarding George Benson, I have also heard and been told that Prince has had many discussions with Mr. Benson regarding JW beliefs and the religion itself, long before he had any discussions regarding JW beliefs with Larry. I've also heard that it was Prince that approached Larry with questions/curiosities about the JW religion, so apparently his interest in JW beliefs was already there, before he had any talks with Larry about it.

So your dislike for Larry because you assume or believe he was responsible for Prince becoming a JW, holds no merit, especially since Prince, being the grown man that he is, obviously made the final decision to become a JW on his own. So I guess you can either respect that decision or let it go.

wildgoldenhoney said:

RosesRred said:

Ja Rule was never a witness and before someone brings it up TERRANCE HOWARD is not a witness either, he said most of his family members are but not him...

Terrance Howard stated he's been studying for years, he knows it's the truth, but due to

his lifestyle it's hard for him to change..

[Edited 6/12/11 15:12pm]

Yep, that's right. I think Ja Rule was raised around the truth and went to meetings but never made the truth his own and went off and did his own thing. But yeah, he is not a JW. And Terrence Howard, I think his ex-wife is a JW and I think even his kids but like you said, he said he didn't want to make changes - he doesn't have anything against JW's but he said it's his own self (I know a few people like that even in my family).

Thanks for the correction...