Besides, Prince IS overrated (and underrated )

eyewishuheaven said:

The way I see it, if you gotta play the 'short' card, you already lost the argument.

And if we gotta play the 'ugly' card against Keith, we already lost the argument, too.

Art's art, people are gonna like what they like. But trash-talkin' sells books.

Final score... Prince: 0, Keith: -1.

Good stuff.

Elton John is "an old bitch"

I'm sorry but...

Vendetta1 said:

CallMeCarrie said:

Music is a personal preference.

If Keith thinks Prince is overrated....it's his opinion and it doesn't

diminish my opinion of Prince in the least.

I like The Rolling Stones' music

I love Prince's music

I don't always agree with either of their personal opinions.

I think Keith sounds like a pissy bitch when he has to put

down other musicians just because he doesn't like their

creative output.

But Prince says some crazy stuff, too.

... Really- is the internet dead??

Exactly!! n the grand scheme of things, Keith's opinion on Prince does not matter to me. it does not diminish my enjoyment of Prince's music in the least.

I find all this defending of Prince funny though especially when I see so many Prince fans rip other artists to shreds.

Actully P does not really rip people to shreads in the media. His comments about real music by real musicians never really names anyone in particular. He could be talking about any of the non-talented performers in the industry.

As far as Keith goes he is the same guy who smoked his dads ashes and while I think the Stones are a great band some of you are on crack if you do not understand that Mick has been carrying this guy for years. He is out of his mind on drugs and I honestly cannot take anything he has to say seriously.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Vendetta1 said:

Exactly!! n the grand scheme of things, Keith's opinion on Prince does not matter to me. it does not diminish my enjoyment of Prince's music in the least.

I find all this defending of Prince funny though especially when I see so many Prince fans rip other artists to shreds.

Actully P does not really rip people to shreads in the media. His comments about real music by real musicians never really names anyone in particular. He could be talking about any of the non-talented performers in the industry.

As far as Keith goes he is the same guy who smoked his dads ashes and while I think the Stones are a great band some of you are on crack if you do not understand that Mick has been carrying this guy for years. He is out of his mind on drugs and I honestly cannot take anything he has to say seriously.

Keith has been clean for a long time now, and gave up drinking earlier this year as well. And obviously this is matter of opinion, but it's Keith's songs that have been the highlight of the Stones' work for the last 20 years. Songs like "Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?" are all far better than anything Mick's written in ages.

JonnyApplesauce said:

Re: his take on Prince, why are so many performers so nasty to each other? What is that about? I mean, why wouldnt they just be cool w/ each other?

I agree.If he doesn't like Prince's music,he should just say "It's not my cup of tea" and leave it at that.There was no need for him to get nasty and use the term "midget" and besides,what does Prince's height have to do with anything?! Would he like it if another artist commented on his scary looking face?

TwiliteKid said:

laurarichardson said:

Actully P does not really rip people to shreads in the media. His comments about real music by real musicians never really names anyone in particular. He could be talking about any of the non-talented performers in the industry.

As far as Keith goes he is the same guy who smoked his dads ashes and while I think the Stones are a great band some of you are on crack if you do not understand that Mick has been carrying this guy for years. He is out of his mind on drugs and I honestly cannot take anything he has to say seriously.

Keith has been clean for a long time now, and gave up drinking earlier this year as well. And obviously this is matter of opinion, but it's Keith's songs that have been the highlight of the Stones' work for the last 20 years. Songs like "Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?" are all far better than anything Mick's written in ages.

Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?"

Do you think fans go to Rolling Stones shows to hear those songs? As far as Keith being clean unless you have a one on one relationship with him how would know that and what about the times before he was clean when he was high out of his mind? Was he really adding anything to the group them.

The drug use is on dude's face and if P looked like this dude or conducted himself like Keith most orgers would be flipping out but the mighty Keith is getting a pass.

Efan said:

I don't think this has been posted already...at least I didn't see it, and I searched.

Anyway, Richards has a new memoir out, and he doesn't care for Prince much at all:

http://theweek.com/articl...evelations

The legendary guitarist doesn't hold back, especially when it comes to his fellow musicians. Prince? "An overrated midget." Elton John is "an old bitch," John Lennon a "silly sod," and of Bruce Springsteen he writes, "if there was anything better around, he'd still be working the bars of New Jersey."

Wow soo i guess Keith was out of dope that day huh...........

KidaDynamite said:

Elton John is "an old bitch"

I'm sorry but...

yeah i think Elton would appreciate that

laurarichardson said:

TwiliteKid said:

Keith has been clean for a long time now, and gave up drinking earlier this year as well. And obviously this is matter of opinion, but it's Keith's songs that have been the highlight of the Stones' work for the last 20 years. Songs like "Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?" are all far better than anything Mick's written in ages.

Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?"

Do you think fans go to Rolling Stones shows to hear those songs? As far as Keith being clean unless you have a one on one relationship with him how would know that and what about the times before he was clean when he was high out of his mind? Was he really adding anything to the group them.

The drug use is on dude's face and if P looked like this dude or conducted himself like Keith most orgers would be flipping out but the mighty Keith is getting a pass.

The better question would be how many Stones fans are going to see them play stuff from the last 20 years. But THIS Stones fan would certainly rather hear those than anything else recent. You may not appreciate him, but his songwriting has continued to develop considerably in recent years.

As for whether he's clean or not, I guess we just have to take his word for it. Kind of like we have to believe Prince when he says he's never done drugs.

And Keith was at the height of his drug use when the Stones did Exile On Main Street, an album that he was the driving force behind (Mick was largely absent for most of the sessions). Exile is generally considered to be the best Stones record, and one of the greatest albums of all time. Sounds like a pretty vital contribution, no?

RodeoSchro said:

Keith Richards is one of the best guitarists of all time.

I strongly disagree with that opinion. There's a reason why the Rolling Stones have a second guitarist. Richards plays some great rhythm stuff, with his own style and feeling. I could never call him one of the best, though. But like Keith, we're all entitled to think and say whatever we want. So, cool for all of us. Sometimes I do with the guy would go back to being wasted and unintelligible. He was a much nicer person then.

so he quick drinking this yr? why? the damage has been done. he could be in a zombie movie and not have to wear any makeup

Cerebus said:

RodeoSchro said:

Keith Richards is one of the best guitarists of all time.

I strongly disagree with that opinion. There's a reason why the Rolling Stones have a second guitarist. Richards plays some great rhythm stuff, with his own style and feeling. I could never call him one of the best, though.

So being a great guitarist is only about soloing?

TwiliteKid said:

laurarichardson said:

Actully P does not really rip people to shreads in the media. His comments about real music by real musicians never really names anyone in particular. He could be talking about any of the non-talented performers in the industry.

As far as Keith goes he is the same guy who smoked his dads ashes and while I think the Stones are a great band some of you are on crack if you do not understand that Mick has been carrying this guy for years. He is out of his mind on drugs and I honestly cannot take anything he has to say seriously.

Keith has been clean for a long time now, and gave up drinking earlier this year as well. And obviously this is matter of opinion, but it's Keith's songs that have been the highlight of the Stones' work for the last 20 years. Songs like "Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?" are all far better than anything Mick's written in ages.

^ That's unfair. Those Keith's tracks shouldn't be considered as "Rolling Stones songs" (they are basically written and produced by Keith). Mick has released some truly strong tracks during the last 25 years, with or without Keith: Wandering Spirit, Throwaway, You Got Me Rocking, I Go Wild, God Gave Me Everything, Out of Control, Saint of Me, Rain Fall Down, Sweet Neo Con, etc.

And if not for Mick, the Stones would still be struggling to evolve from the sound of Out of Our Heads or Aftermath Keith is sooooooo old-fashioned that I'm surprised that nobody in the media has baptized him as the preacher of "True Rock N'Roll-Death to False Rock" a la Manowar...

And let's not forget that the "roots" sound of Exile wouldn't have happened if not for Keith's admiration/copy of the Gram Parsons sounds...or the exquisite, superior playin' of Mick Taylor...

So, no, Keith has no right to shit on Prince, Elton or Lennon...

JoeTyler said:

TwiliteKid said:

Keith has been clean for a long time now, and gave up drinking earlier this year as well. And obviously this is matter of opinion, but it's Keith's songs that have been the highlight of the Stones' work for the last 20 years. Songs like "Thru and Thru", "Slipping Away", "Can't Be Seen", and "How Can I Stop?" are all far better than anything Mick's written in ages.

^ That's unfair. Those Keith's tracks shouldn't be considered as "Rolling Stones songs" (they are basically written and produced by Keith). Mick has released some truly strong tracks during the last 25 years, with or without Keith: Wandering Spirit, Throwaway, You Got Me Rocking, I Go Wild, God Gave Me Everything, Out of Control, Saint of Me, Rain Fall Down, Sweet Neo Con, etc.

And if not for Mick, the Stones would still be struggling to evolve from the sound of Out of Our Heads or Aftermath Keith is sooooooo old-fashioned that I'm surprised that nobody in the media has baptized him as the preacher of "True Rock N'Roll-Death to False Rock" a la Manowar...

And let's not forget that the "roots" sound of Exile wouldn't have happened if not for Keith's admiration/copy of the Gram Parsons sounds...or the exquisite, superior playin' of Mick Taylor...

So, no, Keith has no right to shit on Prince, Elton or Lennon...

They were released on Rolling Stones albums, and the Stones play on them. Seem like Stones tracks to me. I also call into question your choice of strong Mick songs (Sweet Neo Con? Really?), but that's down to opinion.

You're right that Keith is pretty old-fashioned, but I'm not sure there's anything wrong with that. As for Gram's influence, I think that was much stronger on Sticky Fingers than Exile. And while Mick Taylor may be the superior player (I disagree, but fair enough), his songwriting input on Exile is pretty much zero.

jj312119 said:

KidaDynamite said:

I'm sorry but...

yeah i think Elton would appreciate that

what? The fact that Keith Richards called him an old bitch OR the fact that I'm laughing at Keith Richards calling him an old bitch?

KidaDynamite said:

jj312119 said:

yeah i think Elton would appreciate that

what? The fact that Keith Richards called him an old bitch OR the fact that I'm laughing at Keith Richards calling him an old bitch?

no just that he was called an old bitch i think its funny and i think he would appreciate it lol....thats all.....

jj312119 said:

KidaDynamite said:

what? The fact that Keith Richards called him an old bitch OR the fact that I'm laughing at Keith Richards calling him an old bitch?

no just that he was called an old bitch i think its funny and i think he would appreciate it lol....thats all.....

Oh, okay!

Either way, the Rolling Stones will always be one of the biggest and best rock bands of all time. Keith also said that the Stones were a better band than The Beatles.

Keith can say what he wants in the press. He's an old man who spent the last 50 years part of a genre that his band had helped build and take to another level. Granted, they're an oldies act, but the question of "when is it too old to rock and roll" still has yet to be answered. Les Paul was 92 when he was still playing clubs, and BB King's almost 90 and still out there playing. Chuck, Little Richard and Jerry Lee Lewis still play live. Prince is still a kid when it comes to career longevity.The Stones were playing a stadium when Prince was figuring out chords.

If he doesn't like it, he's entitled to his opinion. People ask it, he answers it, but neither Mick nor Keith have much love for interviews.

The last thing anyone wants to see is Keith Richards nude. But there are photos out there. Don't say I didn't warn you if you decide to search them out.

Keith Richards snorted his father's ashes because he thought it was coke. Then he said he didn't; then he said he did; then he said he didn't again. This means that he did but just doesn't remember doing it because *drumroll please* he's was a hardcore drug addict for the bulk of his life. Most of what addicts say is questionable and shouldn't be believed or taken seriously. The man fell out of a palm tree. I'm still trying to figure out what drug he did that made him climb up said tree and almost kill himself; but, it was obviously one hellava drug. Glad to see the man is finely sober enough to remember enough to pen a memoir and let's hope he doesn't pull a Lindsay.

If you think Keith is being mean, you should read 'Video Slut' by Sharon Oreck. She didn't exactly have nice things to say about Prince either...or Madonna and MJ for that matter. She hates Joe Jackson too, but who doesn't?

[Edited 11/4/10 19:04pm]

TwiliteKid said:

Cerebus said:

I strongly disagree with that opinion. There's a reason why the Rolling Stones have a second guitarist. Richards plays some great rhythm stuff, with his own style and feeling. I could never call him one of the best, though.

So being a great guitarist is only about soloing?

Not at all, but it's about more than what Keith Richards does (IMO). That's not actually what I said, though. I didn't say that Keith Richards isn't a great guitar player, either. I said he's not "one of the greatest". And I stand firmly by that statment. Like I said before, I have nothing against his playing. It's all his own and that's fine. But his slow ass, often sloppy, blues based (which is, to his own admission, stolen) rhythm playing doesn't make him one of the greatest. Not in my book anyway. Again, nothing against Keith. Which is, I'm sure, how this is coming across.

One more comment; writing great songs STILL does not qualify you as one of "the greatest guitar players of all time". I happen to think Ani Difranco is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. She writes her songs on guitar. That doesn't make her one of the greatest guitar players. I could list hundreds of people who ride in that same boat.

estelle81 said:

If you think Keith is being mean, you should read 'Video Slut' by Sharon Oreck. She didn't exactly have nice things to say about Prince either...or Madonna and MJ for that matter. She hates Joe Jackson too, but who doesn't?

Who the hell is Sharon Oreck?? I mean, really: who?

Most people here should read a book before jumping on someone for something someone else said they said. I searched for all the "quotes" about Joh Lennon, Prince, Elton and Bruce, and the closest one to the truth was the one about John Lennon. He wrote in a very loving way about a dear friend. The way you would remember your crazy friend- 'that crazy motherfucker' kinda thing.

A lot of you should really not let yourselves get taken away by rumours. There are some sensible people here on the org, but some of you...

Bighead said:

Most people here should read a book before jumping on someone for something someone else said they said. I searched for all the "quotes" about Joh Lennon, Prince, Elton and Bruce, and the closest one to the truth was the one about John Lennon. He wrote in a very loving way about a dear friend. The way you would remember your crazy friend- 'that crazy motherfucker' kinda thing.

A lot of you should really not let yourselves get taken away by rumours. There are some sensible people here on the org, but some of you...

Ok, sensible guy, and how do we know that you're not telling lies as well? Link? Proof? Source?

JoeTyler said:

Bighead said:

Most people here should read a book before jumping on someone for something someone else said they said. I searched for all the "quotes" about Joh Lennon, Prince, Elton and Bruce, and the closest one to the truth was the one about John Lennon. He wrote in a very loving way about a dear friend. The way you would remember your crazy friend- 'that crazy motherfucker' kinda thing.

A lot of you should really not let yourselves get taken away by rumours. There are some sensible people here on the org, but some of you...

Ok, sensible guy, and how do we know that you're not telling lies as well? Link? Proof? Source?

Well, he's saying his proof is the book itself - he (apparently) actually read it. The source would then be Keith Richards.

[Edited 11/6/10 17:37pm]

http://www.slate.com/id/2273611/pagenum/all/

Ronnie Wood's autobiography has some nice things to say about Prince from memory, read that instead, its probably a better recollection than what Keith could cobble together between lines of coke and trying to remember what day it was

estelle81 said:

Keith Richards snorted his father's ashes because he thought it was coke. Then he said he didn't; then he said he did; then he said he didn't again. This means that he did but just doesn't remember doing it because *drumroll please* he's was a hardcore drug addict for the bulk of his life. Most of what addicts say is questionable and shouldn't be believed or taken seriously. The man fell out of a palm tree. I'm still trying to figure out what drug he did that made him climb up said tree and almost kill himself; but, it was obviously one hellava drug. Glad to see the man is finely sober enough to remember enough to pen a memoir and let's hope he doesn't pull a Lindsay.

If you think Keith is being mean, you should read 'Video Slut' by Sharon Oreck. She didn't exactly have nice things to say about Prince either...or Madonna and MJ for that matter. She hates Joe Jackson too, but who doesn't?

[Edited 11/4/10 19:04pm]

I don't expect many directors and producers to say much about recording artists. It's a collaborative effort until the artist wants to get behind the camera and in the edit room. Oreck was the logistics and money person when it came to videos, and had to work with all sorts of personalities, some easygoing, some demanding. But in terms of "When Doves Cry", you can tell they worked on a limited budget, and came up with something memorable. The song worked as a radio hit, but MTV playing it constantly was what made it a smash hit.