mwu said:

lydiaravenswood said:

i remember seeing that on air, god i feel old

i never saw the big deal with mayte...she couldn't dance that well...

yeah, that s because she is wearing gloves, she can not dance well if she is wearing gloves...or did missunderstood something ?

You definitely misunderstood something.

Spinlight said:

jcurley said:

I think pop stars in the 30's all suffer from this. Madonna was well on the wane before Evita. I'm no MAdonna fan but she was lost in the first half of the 90's as was MJ

You kidding? Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her best albums to date.

IMO, Madonna fell from grace after releasing Ray of Light. The album itself was a nice departure from anything she had previously done, but it sent her down a path of mediocrity where she essentially turned out Euro-pop records with same-y production and woefully amateur lyrics.

Totally disagree. Ray of Light was long awaited and lauded as a masterpiece from fans and critics. There was no fall from grace, and the ensuing Drowned World Tour did wonderfully (actually it came after Music was released). I think Music is what sent her down that path of "blah". She got TOO into the same sound, and rehashed it a bit too much. Even in her early dance days, there was change and growth between Madonna, Like A Virgin, and True Blue. Ray of Light was certainly different and changed her game, but yes after that - it got boring really fast. Then she takes the dry drum machines and puts an acoustic guitar over it. American Life was just garbage. I've not even listened to that 3 times in full and hate pretty much everything from it.

It's the same hole Prince has fallen into with the garbage he's been churning out faster than a recycle factory for the past 10 years.

ernestsewell said:

Spinlight said:

You kidding? Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her best albums to date.

IMO, Madonna fell from grace after releasing Ray of Light. The album itself was a nice departure from anything she had previously done, but it sent her down a path of mediocrity where she essentially turned out Euro-pop records with same-y production and woefully amateur lyrics.

Totally disagree. Ray of Light was long awaited and lauded as a masterpiece from fans and critics. There was no fall from grace, and the ensuing Drowned World Tour did wonderfully (actually it came after Music was released). I think Music is what sent her down that path of "blah". She got TOO into the same sound, and rehashed it a bit too much. Even in her early dance days, there was change and growth between Madonna, Like A Virgin, and True Blue. Ray of Light was certainly different and changed her game, but yes after that - it got boring really fast. Then she takes the dry drum machines and puts an acoustic guitar over it. American Life was just garbage. I've not even listened to that 3 times in full and hate pretty much everything from it.

It's the same hole Prince has fallen into with the garbage he's been churning out faster than a recycle factory for the past 10 years.

Ugh, heffa, how are you gonna start out with "totally disagree" and then end up agreeing with exactly what I said.

Spinlight said:

ernestsewell said:

Totally disagree. Ray of Light was long awaited and lauded as a masterpiece from fans and critics. There was no fall from grace, and the ensuing Drowned World Tour did wonderfully (actually it came after Music was released). I think Music is what sent her down that path of "blah". She got TOO into the same sound, and rehashed it a bit too much. Even in her early dance days, there was change and growth between Madonna, Like A Virgin, and True Blue. Ray of Light was certainly different and changed her game, but yes after that - it got boring really fast. Then she takes the dry drum machines and puts an acoustic guitar over it. American Life was just garbage. I've not even listened to that 3 times in full and hate pretty much everything from it.

It's the same hole Prince has fallen into with the garbage he's been churning out faster than a recycle factory for the past 10 years.

Ugh, heffa, how are you gonna start out with "totally disagree" and then end up agreeing with exactly what I said.

lawd

Spinlight said:

ernestsewell said:

Totally disagree. Ray of Light was long awaited and lauded as a masterpiece from fans and critics. There was no fall from grace, and the ensuing Drowned World Tour did wonderfully (actually it came after Music was released). I think Music is what sent her down that path of "blah". She got TOO into the same sound, and rehashed it a bit too much. Even in her early dance days, there was change and growth between Madonna, Like A Virgin, and True Blue. Ray of Light was certainly different and changed her game, but yes after that - it got boring really fast. Then she takes the dry drum machines and puts an acoustic guitar over it. American Life was just garbage. I've not even listened to that 3 times in full and hate pretty much everything from it.

It's the same hole Prince has fallen into with the garbage he's been churning out faster than a recycle factory for the past 10 years.

Ugh, heffa, how are you gonna start out with "totally disagree" and then end up agreeing with exactly what I said.

I didn't totally agree with everything, fool. And I typed what I did because it pleases me to do so.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

ernestsewell said:

The big deal was he loved her.

All the love in the world couldn't make her a good dancer, so she was just annoying and would have been better off out of the picture or shall I say off stage!

Exactly...people are saying Prince's music went kinda sour in the 90s...well, he was with Mayte when his music went kinda sour. He got SOOO wrapped up in that little bit that people started looking at him funny. Mayte couldn't dance, didn't have any real talent, unlike many of the other women Prince has been with, but he acted like she did, she made him look older than he really looked when she wasn't around. And hearing her name in like half of his good songs kinda messed up the song...Like I know someone who wanted to use "The One" in their wedding, but because Mayte's name was in there, they didn't want to use it.

Cringeworthy???? C'mon Heidi....

Strange I think it's fantastic.

Pussy Control / Get Wild........

Prince in red.

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^ amazing performance.

Heidi said:

Just viewed that performance for the very first time!

CRINGEWORTHY!

First of all, what's up with the lipsync?

And Mayte generally can dance, but obviously not in high heels!

and the guy with the synthesiser (is that Levi?) - what's he wearing and is that lipstick?

Absolutely one of these "what was he thinking" moments!

LOVE Prince to death, HATE the song, but the performance was kinda hot lol

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It wasn't Prince that bugged me, Mayte looked like a child hooker in that "outfit" "dancing" around, that's what creeped me out.

Prince in almost any color is hot btw...even baby poop brown would probably look good on him!

Marrk said:

He lip-synched on TV alot back then. Emancipation at The Brits and TMBGITW at the World Music Awards spring to mind. I wonder why that was.

He was still recovering from an operation.

The one where they attempted to remove his head from his own arse.

my favourite performance, I dont like lip-synched here but it was worse around year 1999/2000.

I thought it was cool. The only part i cringe at was the rap part from Get Wild... but it's short. The fake out with Mayte pretending to be Prince, the microphone between the legs, the lineup of his face to her vajayjay...

Just the part where he walks out and does three quick moves and goes into the song was cool.

Tommy's look was not so cool.

Heidi, how old are you?

2freaky4church1 said:

Heidi, how old are you?

30 - why?

Spinlight said:

jcurley said:

I think pop stars in the 30's all suffer from this. Madonna was well on the wane before Evita. I'm no MAdonna fan but she was lost in the first half of the 90's as was MJ

You kidding? Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her best albums to date.

IMO, Madonna fell from grace after releasing Ray of Light. The album itself was a nice departure from anything she had previously done, but it sent her down a path of mediocrity where she essentially turned out Euro-pop records with same-y production and woefully amateur lyrics.

I wasn't giving a critique of the music-I don't care. My point is that to the world she was lost. Now please don't start giving me stats-it was generally thought she was as popular. My ultimate point is that as a superstar there are going to be barren times due to age obsession. Madonna has respect now due to her age

jcurley said:

Spinlight said:

You kidding? Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her best albums to date.

IMO, Madonna fell from grace after releasing Ray of Light. The album itself was a nice departure from anything she had previously done, but it sent her down a path of mediocrity where she essentially turned out Euro-pop records with same-y production and woefully amateur lyrics.

I wasn't giving a critique of the music-I don't care. My point is that to the world she was lost. Now please don't start giving me stats-it was generally thought she was as popular. My ultimate point is that as a superstar there are going to be barren times due to age obsession. Madonna has respect now due to her age

You make zero sense. She was as popular, you don't want to see record sales stats, you just want your incorrect opinion to hold no matter what despite how inaccurate it is?

Sorry, no. Bye!

Spinlight said:

jcurley said:

I wasn't giving a critique of the music-I don't care. My point is that to the world she was lost. Now please don't start giving me stats-it was generally thought she was as popular. My ultimate point is that as a superstar there are going to be barren times due to age obsession. Madonna has respect now due to her age

You make zero sense. She was as popular, you don't want to see record sales stats, you just want your incorrect opinion to hold no matter what despite how inaccurate it is?

Sorry, no. Bye!

No-I live in the UK and the singles in the early 90's were way down the charts compared to the 80's. After Evita and Ray of Light it was deemed as a comeback-which she has managed to retain.

Yes, in the 90s Madonna wasn't selling as big til Frozen came out. A lot of 80s artists lost sales in the 90s, but only a few, like Madonna and Prince, held on.

I detest Madonna, she can't sing - her music is awful....

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^ but I like this pic...

jcurley said:

vi0letblues said:

Everything 90's Prince is pretty cringeworthy.

He single handedly permanently soiled his own star and genius status by his every move and 90's record release.

We will soon learn exactly how MJ-like fucked up he was and on what.

You dont go from his 80's work to the 90's depths while sober exercising and eating health food and doing crossword puzzles.

The little guy must have been so high and screwed up he NEEDED to go the "ended up in prison with the entire cell block's cum in my mouth and ass so I found Jesus" route. The best and only recipe people "find" god and become "devout" anything.

Gosh that's extreme. I don't really agree with you tho. I think that part of the problem with the 90's for Prince was not the age he was living in but the age of Prince himself. He was neither young enough to be perceived as the new kid on the block or old enough to be a statesmen getting respect. I think this is why he betrayed a lot of his sounds by artificially sticking in rap-it showed a lack of confidence on Prince's side. Whether you like his recent stuff or not it sits more comfortably with him.

I think pop stars in the 30's all suffer from this. Madonna was well on the wane before Evita. I'm no MAdonna fan but she was lost in the first half of the 90's as was MJ

Are you crazy? MJ was at his BEST in the 90s!! His BEST work was done in the 90s!! Dangerous and History are EXCELLENT CDs!! Madonna, yeah, she was lost a bit. Prince was, well, he was doing his own thing and he was flirting with different music styles, which is what makes him SO DARN GREAT!!! And anyway, he had great songs in the 90s!! Different than his 80s great songs, but still GREAT!!!

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

All the love in the world couldn't make her a good dancer, so she was just annoying and would have been better off out of the picture or shall I say off stage!

Mayte's dancing seems alrite to me. she's a real KAPOW kind of dancer.

She just seemed to have NO direction!! In all of the performances, she displayed 0 grace and succeeded only in looking like a half naked fool!! Though I'm sure for men, she was nice to look at. But as a dancer, she sucked..BAD!!

Spinlight said:

jcurley said:

I think pop stars in the 30's all suffer from this. Madonna was well on the wane before Evita. I'm no MAdonna fan but she was lost in the first half of the 90's as was MJ

You kidding? Erotica and Bedtime Stories are her best albums to date.

IMO, Madonna fell from grace after releasing Ray of Light. The album itself was a nice departure from anything she had previously done, but it sent her down a path of mediocrity where she essentially turned out Euro-pop records with same-y production and woefully amateur lyrics.

Agreed. I was never a big fan of Ray of Light, which a lot of folk seem to view as her "coming of age" or becoming "legit".

lydiaravenswood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

All the love in the world couldn't make her a good dancer, so she was just annoying and would have been better off out of the picture or shall I say off stage!

Exactly...people are saying Prince's music went kinda sour in the 90s...well, he was with Mayte when his music went kinda sour. He got SOOO wrapped up in that little bit that people started looking at him funny. Mayte couldn't dance, didn't have any real talent, unlike many of the other women Prince has been with, but he acted like she did, she made him look older than he really looked when she wasn't around. And hearing her name in like half of his good songs kinda messed up the song...Like I know someone who wanted to use "The One" in their wedding, but because Mayte's name was in there, they didn't want to use it.

LOL! I agree!! I won't even watch most of the videos from that time period, because I get so effing tired of seeing her looking like a retard, half dressed, and him looking like a fool with her around!! She fooled him and made him think she cared for him, but she only wanted him for what he could do for her. The thing was she had NO talent, so even Prince couldn't help her nonexistant career! Prince did alot of not-so-good things with her around, and it was like he was trying to be this hard-azz the entire time. He is and will always be my favorite musician, so I look over the crappy times he had with her, since his times before and after her were SO pleasing! I know he was really into her for whatever reasons, so I felt bad for him when she broke his heart (which I knew would happen all along)..same thing with this current chick! He's been with alot of women, some with various degrees of talent, but Mayte was by far the worst because she pranced around like she was queen of the effing earth!

thedance said:

Cringeworthy???? C'mon Heidi....

Strange I think it's fantastic.

Pussy Control / Get Wild........

Prince in red.

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^ amazing performance.

Prince LOOKS freaking SEXY and HOT in red!!! Which is no surprise...he looks good in any color!! But red is definately one of his best colors!! Mayte on the other hand, looks like a bad teenage pole dancer trying to be grown up! The bottoms are disgusting! Had they been boycut, the outfit probably would have worked. Her being a horrible dancer and looking like a skank is what made it cringeworthy! I've always said Prince's performances are 100x better without the hookers aka dancers up there!

DaphneLovesPR1NCE > Wow - what's up with the Mayte-hatin ? I think you got your facts upside down.

Prince did - as he usually did with the women he was infatuated with - push her to sing and release an album, but let's be honest, she was better off sticking to dancing and I'm sure she knows that too. He did the same thing with other women in the past... so Mayte really isn't to blame for the mediocre (at best) album. This was obviously him pushing her at the time that he was very infatuated with her.

About her career: once they were married, she was perfectly happy not to be a dancer or singer anymore, and just play the part of the rockstar-wife, so I don't think she was really that interested in her career from the start. She only started working as model/actress after the divorce again ...

With regards to her outfit and the dancing - don't forget that P had a big say in what she wore .. so the outfit was chosen for her by Prince. 2ndly, the bottoms are simply what was in fashion back then - no big deal. Personally I think she could dance .. but like someone said before .. a kind a KAPOW dancer but allright. It's just that she didn't do so well in this performance because of the high heels - she's obviously uncomfortable in those.

And if you wanna talk about the end of their relationship ... I think the relationship disintegrated after the death of the baby ... and then Mayte was sent (by P) to Marbella, so he could do whatever he wanted in MN without his wife around. And that's when Mani came into the picture... and finally Mayte got sick of it, and started flirting/hanging out with other men .. and then Prince played the part of the heartbroken lovesick puppy.

So please don't make her out to be the bitch/skank and what not, because that really isn't fair. She put up with a lot of his crap. We all know how Prince treats his women ... at first, he's is completely over the moon in love ... then he gets bored ... starts ignoringt them until the woman simply goes away herself ... so he can cheat ... and then finally they leave him.

agree Heidi! Thank you.

Mayte is a fine and gifted dancer.

Given the hmm...elements/conditions... she was working under, she did a damn fine job too.

Norah

Marrk said:

He lip-synched on TV alot back then. Emancipation at The Brits and TMBGITW at the World Music Awards spring to mind. I wonder why that was.

its more the show than the artist by choice. i remember everyone on the world music awards lip synched.

Spinlight said:

jcurley said:

I wasn't giving a critique of the music-I don't care. My point is that to the world she was lost. Now please don't start giving me stats-it was generally thought she was as popular. My ultimate point is that as a superstar there are going to be barren times due to age obsession. Madonna has respect now due to her age

You make zero sense. She was as popular, you don't want to see record sales stats, you just want your incorrect opinion to hold no matter what despite how inaccurate it is?

Sorry, no. Bye!

And by the way Bedtime Stories I thought was ok-my point is thatI think every popstar falters with their popularity when they hit their 30's. The popularity of Madonna in this country was way down til Ray Of Light. She performed Frozen on the National Lottery-she wouldn't have done that a few years earlier.

Heidi said:

We all know how Prince treats his women ... at first, he's is completely over the moon in love ... then he gets bored ... starts ignoringt them until the woman simply goes away herself ... so he can cheat ... and then finally they leave him.

And then he writes songs about how badly they treated him.

Heidi said:

Just viewed that performance for the very first time!

I've never seen it. Don't think I even knew about it, cuz it's not in my Ultimate Gold Experience essay.