Spinlight said:

peterv said:

Sorry if someone else already said this but...

I think it's about his (one's) past coming back to haunt him (one), especially when he (one) is trying to make a marriage work...

Where in the world do some of you guys get these ideas from? lmao.

Overdue – that's how I described the hour
The minute, the moment that I first laid eyes on U
I guess I knew that sooner or later this power
Would manifest itself into a rendezvous

--

The minute he saw this person, he knew he'd end up fucking her.

--
Small dark room – that's where I let U smother
In front of your gat totin' other
Why should I care?
Cheap perfume all over those burgundy stockings
The ones I tied U up with
I shoulda just left 'em there (Shoulda just left 'em there)
Why'd I waste my kisses on U?

--

She sucked his dick in a small dark room and he took her stockings off and tied her up. She was obviously dating a thug-type. "Why should I care?" meaning he doesn't give a shit if the guy has a gun or not.

Nothing about marriage, kids, the Pope, Paisley Park, the price of tea in China, etc. It's not difficult.

It may take a mature and experienced individual to understand or relate to the therory I've expressed. Not every Prince song is about some sexual escapde only. The guy doea write some deeper lyrics than the in-your-face, romper-room shit that many here on the Org keep craving. And even still, when he does write about sex, it's often about one's mental state, just as much, if not more than, the physical aspects.

I can't speak for you or some of your experiences, but many MEN, who have had a wild past, do sometimes find it hard to move on to a more clean (perhaps religious) and loving relationship; especially those who have been into some freaky stuff as suggested in the lyrics here. And the fact that he is putting so much value on "kisses", the more genuine and innocent of loving acts, speaks volumes.

And anyone who's been actually paying attention to Prince's evolutiuon as a song writer (one who shares a lot about his personal experiences through song) will tell you that he is a man who has dealt with inner conflict.

Again, it's all just a theory, but one with validity.

newpowerfantastical said:

You know it's also possible that P is conflating his son and Mayte/girl in this song--projecting his (irrational but nevertheless human) anger over his son's death onto the female character. Rather than consciously acknowledging and writing about that, though, he creates a fictional scenario where the scapegoat for his anger is a woman. And since Mayte was, in one sense, "responsible" for the child's death (I don't mean logically, of course, but emotionally--emotions aren't logical), the jump from one person to the other makes a certain amount of sense.

Don't get me wrong: I think the literal storyline of the song definitely revolves around an erotic relationship b/t an adult man and woman; but I don't think someone who had to take their child off life support so recently could put that heart monitor/flatline bit into the song without in some sense channeling the emotions connected with it.

If you read/watch the interviews (Oprah, Gumble) and listen to the songs (When U're in My Arms, Comeback, Wasted Kisses) from this time period, it's obvious that P had a hard time directly confronting his child's death, and it obviously tore him and Mayte apart. It makes sense to me that if he couldn't face those emotions head-on, he might explore them more metaphorically and in a medium like music where he approach them indirectly.

This whole period in Prince's life is so hearbreaking. I often wonder how his life and career might have turned out if the child was born healthy...

thank you for saying this. This is exactly where I was coming from although you actually explained it

Do people think it's about his son?

Well, there are the lyrics in the fade-out:

"Too bad our son is dead

But now I'm gonna go on tour with Larry

Why the hell did your marry me?

You knew you were wasting your kisses, baby...

Auwuh!"

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

thank you for saying this. This is exactly where I was coming from although you actually explained it

Hey, no problem; I wouldn't have really thought about it at length if you hadn't raised the possibility. It's a little strange that people can't acknowledge that something other than the literal, surface-level meaning might be at play, even though these kinds of double-meanings are all over P's catalog: Starfish & Coffee, The Question of U...next thing people are going to be saying that Purple Rain is "really" about some crazy-ass purple showers falling from the sky...

peterv said:

Spinlight said:

Where in the world do some of you guys get these ideas from? lmao.

Overdue – that's how I described the hour
The minute, the moment that I first laid eyes on U
I guess I knew that sooner or later this power
Would manifest itself into a rendezvous

--

The minute he saw this person, he knew he'd end up fucking her.

--
Small dark room – that's where I let U smother
In front of your gat totin' other
Why should I care?
Cheap perfume all over those burgundy stockings
The ones I tied U up with
I shoulda just left 'em there (Shoulda just left 'em there)
Why'd I waste my kisses on U?

--

She sucked his dick in a small dark room and he took her stockings off and tied her up. She was obviously dating a thug-type. "Why should I care?" meaning he doesn't give a shit if the guy has a gun or not.

Nothing about marriage, kids, the Pope, Paisley Park, the price of tea in China, etc. It's not difficult.

It may take a mature and experienced individual to understand or relate to the therory I've expressed. Not every Prince song is about some sexual escapde only. The guy doea write some deeper lyrics than the in-your-face, romper-room shit that many here on the Org keep craving. And even still, when he does write about sex, it's often about one's mental state, just as much, if not more than, the physical aspects.

I can't speak for you or some of your experiences, but many MEN, who have had a wild past, do sometimes find it hard to move on to a more clean (perhaps religious) and loving relationship; especially those who have been into some freaky stuff as suggested in the lyrics here. And the fact that he is putting so much value on "kisses", the more genuine and innocent of loving acts, speaks volumes.

And anyone who's been actually paying attention to Prince's evolutiuon as a song writer (one who shares a lot about his personal experiences through song) will tell you that he is a man who has dealt with inner conflict.

Again, it's all just a theory, but one with validity.

You haven't actually described why or where in this song it relates to anything you're talking about. You've just created the anatomy for an idea and backed it up by insinuating something about me rather than actually describing how this song talks about having difficulty in a marriage. It's a 2 verse song with no more than 20 lines of lyrics so it certainly shouldn't be that difficult. Or you could just insist on being stubborn, proclaiming your idea is true, and not holding it up to the light to see why you have projected some sort of idea onto the song to perhaps rationalize your own life's issues.

Spinlight said:

peterv said:

It may take a mature and experienced individual to understand or relate to the therory I've expressed. Not every Prince song is about some sexual escapde only. The guy doea write some deeper lyrics than the in-your-face, romper-room shit that many here on the Org keep craving. And even still, when he does write about sex, it's often about one's mental state, just as much, if not more than, the physical aspects.

I can't speak for you or some of your experiences, but many MEN, who have had a wild past, do sometimes find it hard to move on to a more clean (perhaps religious) and loving relationship; especially those who have been into some freaky stuff as suggested in the lyrics here. And the fact that he is putting so much value on "kisses", the more genuine and innocent of loving acts, speaks volumes.

And anyone who's been actually paying attention to Prince's evolutiuon as a song writer (one who shares a lot about his personal experiences through song) will tell you that he is a man who has dealt with inner conflict.

Again, it's all just a theory, but one with validity.

You haven't actually described why or where in this song it relates to anything you're talking about. You've just created the anatomy for an idea and backed it up by insinuating something about me rather than actually describing how this song talks about having difficulty in a marriage. It's a 2 verse song with no more than 20 lines of lyrics so it certainly shouldn't be that difficult. Or you could just insist on being stubborn, proclaiming your idea is true, and not holding it up to the light to see why you have projected some sort of idea onto the song to perhaps rationalize your own life's issues.

Again, it was JUST A THEORY, and one that was based on the song as a whole, in conjunction with what was going on in the dude's life at the time it came out. I didn't think I needed to type an outline of this time frame as most of the folks who post here are usually already considering such things when they read/write. So therefore I just put it out there.

As for the rest of your rant, see the first sentance of my last response.

ufoclub said:

Serena said:

good god, this IS NOT about his son, it's obviously about a relationship going south!

the songs about his son are Comeback and Until Ur In My Arms Again.

and i think the lyrics are "gat totin' other'.

TRUE

I wonder.... if you autotune the song.... would you be able to hear what he really says?

I never use to like to talk about this. But all I can say is word around town at the time was that Prince pulled the plug because he did not want to see his baby suffer anymore. Not sure if anyone was there when he did it, or if a Dr. did it. So that would fall in line with the smother part. It was very sad when it happened. I never have told this publicly because I always felt it was his business. But now, it seems people know more about it and enough time has passed.

muskiediver said:

I never use to like to talk about this. But all I can say is word around town at the time was that Prince pulled the plug because he did not want to see his baby suffer anymore. Not sure if anyone was there when he did it, or if a Dr. did it. So that would fall in line with the smother part. It was very sad when it happened. I never have told this publicly because I always felt it was his business. But now, it seems people know more about it and enough time has passed.

The song

"WASTED KISSES"

is not about

Prince's son.

muskiediver said:

I never use to like to talk about this. But all I can say is word around town at the time was that Prince pulled the plug because he did not want to see his baby suffer anymore. Not sure if anyone was there when he did it, or if a Dr. did it. So that would fall in line with the smother part.

This episode is also described in Hahn's _Possessed_. A partial view of the man, but relatively accurate as far as it goes...

the delving into personal stuff sometimes bothers me

this-is way way too far

why on earth are we discussing such an awful personal thing-like anyone would write a freaking song about such a thing-especially the ultra private Prince

ive never said lock a thread-but do feel these baby threads need tossing in the bin where they belong

it feels very very disrespectful to even say it-let alone link it to a crappy song

come on folkdo you REALLY wanna be talking about THIS????????????????????????

its lower than the gutter

polkadotbliss said:

why on earth are we discussing such an awful personal thing-like anyone would write a freaking song about such a thing-especially the ultra private Prince

...

it feels very very disrespectful to even say it-let alone link it to a crappy song

...

its lower than the gutter

Prince writes about his personal life all the time; he just usually doesn't do so directly, so there's room for interpretation or multiple ways of listening to the song.

I don't think it's disrespectful to discuss something that's a part of someone's art--to wonder where the inspiration, or in this case the pain, comes from that causes them to write something disturbing, which Wasted Kisses is, no matter what you think the song's about. If it's worth writing a song about, it's worth discussing--so long as it's done respectfully.

polkadotbliss said:

the delving into personal stuff sometimes bothers me

this-is way way too far

why on earth are we discussing such an awful personal thing-like anyone would write a freaking song about such a thing-especially the ultra private Prince

ive never said lock a thread-but do feel these baby threads need tossing in the bin where they belong

it feels very very disrespectful to even say it-let alone link it to a crappy song

come on folkdo you REALLY wanna be talking about THIS????????????????????????

its lower than the gutter

all the more reason to stay out of it

Serena said:

good god, this IS NOT about his son, it's obviously about a relationship going south!

the songs about his son are Comeback and Until Ur In My Arms Again.

and i think the lyrics are "gat totin' other'.

'gun totin other', 'gut torn mother' It's hysterical how some people manage to misinterpret Prince's songs and fuck up the lyrics on top of it. I'm with you on 'Come back' and 'Until ur in my arms again, being the songs about his son.

'Waisted kisses' is so about a failed relationship,it's about an ex-lover and not the tragic death of his son.

'Dig if you will the picture of you and Marvin Gaye and the kids' instead of 'dig if you will the picture of you and I engaged in a kiss" comes to mind. Prince mentioned that line in his T.Smiley interview.

muskiediver said:

I never use to like to talk about this. But all I can say is word around town at the time was that Prince pulled the plug because he did not want to see his baby suffer anymore. Not sure if anyone was there when he did it, or if a Dr. did it. So that would fall in line with the smother part. It was very sad when it happened. I never have told this publicly because I always felt it was his business. But now, it seems people know more about it and enough time has passed.

pretty commom knowledge of the speculation.

IMO This song is not about Prince's son.It is about one of his not too distant- after manuela -current relationships.

Prince is good...He has said that his songs may be taken however one percieves it. It can mean one thing to you and different to me, However you interpret it is your perception; doesn't make it a fact.

To me, Wasted Kisses is not about his son. It is a sexual relationship turned into love....lost. That's my interpretation because I was going through it at the time the cd came out and the song hit home for me.

Have a blissful day