NouveauDance said:

The disparity between Prince's current sounds live and in studio is perplexing.

haha it's first thing for me here and reading this made me think BIG.WORDS(!)

Back on subject...i need to hear this baaaaaaaaaaddd!!!!

robinhood said:

erik319 said:

If you're going by those rules, then he already got paid to do this gig too. And if he chose to release it, then most of his diehard fans would buy it. He chooses not to.

so if you want the gig, you either get it for free from wonderful people like FBG or you wait a few months and end up buying the exact same thing from bootleggers like eye records or Sabotage.

If you downloaded 20ten though, as far as I can see, there's no difference in 'dodgy-ness' between downloading that or this

i dunno, the bootleg thing feels weird to me. like its not real.

at least with an online download of an official release i'm getting something Prince approved of in the creative sense, including the artwork.

whereas with bootlegs, the artwork isnt approved by him, and someone has maybe sonically 'mastered' the live gig without his approval either.

weird topic, not sure where to begin with it, but something doesnt feel right, although i fully understand why anyone would want to get their hands on as much prince-music as possible.

thanks for your input and thanks to thedance also

Don't fret. No one's forcing anyone to be in possession of this release, by... I don't know... putting it in one's morning newspaper. That would be just crazy, wouldn't it?

squirrelgrease said:

robinhood said:

i dunno, the bootleg thing feels weird to me. like its not real.

at least with an online download of an official release i'm getting something Prince approved of in the creative sense, including the artwork.

whereas with bootlegs, the artwork isnt approved by him, and someone has maybe sonically 'mastered' the live gig without his approval either.

weird topic, not sure where to begin with it, but something doesnt feel right, although i fully understand why anyone would want to get their hands on as much prince-music as possible.

thanks for your input and thanks to thedance also

Don't fret. No one's forcing anyone to be in possession of this release, by... I don't know... putting it in one's morning newspaper. That would be just crazy, wouldn't it?

I think what Robinhood is saying is "Is this illegal?" nobody is directly going yes or no-instead just saying blah. So is it illegal? Surely Prince can have this blocked or at least be a sueable offence? I'm not saying Prince should but is this the case or not

Sound quality?

If it's a free dl where I normally go, fair enough. FBG most often is.

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What was the audience size for the gig? Sounds like there's only about 50 people there!

Thanks FBG, great release. Just wish he'd ease off on all the damn Sly Stone & GCS stuff and play more of his own stuff. How great would it have been to hear a couple of choice songs from more recent albums instead of the same old tired covers. oh well, still great for the actual Prince stuff. You can never go wrong with The Ride

erik319 said:

What was the audience size for the gig? Sounds like there's only about 50 people there!

http://www.princevault.co...y,_2010-am

Attendance/Capacity : 500 (485 paying) / 500

Kara said:

erik319 said:

What was the audience size for the gig? Sounds like there's only about 50 people there!

http://www.princevault.co...y,_2010-am

Attendance/Capacity : 500 (485 paying) / 500

Thought so! cheers

Downloading now! I hope this show sucks so I don't feel bad that I almost drove to Paris to see it, but didn't because someone said it started at 00h.
It DIDN'T START at 00h !!

Ok had a listen and I have to say that if I'd have been to the concert I'd have been a little disappointed. Prince doesn't actually sing on a hell of a lot of the tracks, leaving more than usual up to the audience and then we have the issue of too many covers and too many tracks sung by the backing singers.

When Prince does sing, he's great, I just wish he'd do it more and on his own tracks.

Oh and if I had been at the concert, I'd have hunted down the guy doing peacock impressions all way through Purple Music and given him a much needed bitchslap.

Thanks to FBG for releasing this for free, it is really appreciated. Great quality recording. I just wish there was more purple music on the setlist.

NouveauDance said:

Tokyo said:

How do I burn .flac files to a CD from a PC?

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.flac are lossless audio - use any free audio software that supports .flac to convert back to .wav and burn. I believe there is a .flac frontend, or something like Winamp would do it too (iTunes doesn't support flac ).

True. But MacFLAC works just fine for converting the files to .wav. I've used that for years.

Where can I get it. Send me a private note. Thanks!!

I have to say, the sound is much better than I expected.

jcurley said:

I think what Robinhood is saying is "Is this illegal?" nobody is directly going yes or no-instead just saying blah. So is it illegal? Surely Prince can have this blocked or at least be a sueable offence? I'm not saying Prince should but is this the case or not

actually no i hadnt thought of that. thanks for reminding me though.

bonkers said:

I have to say, the sound is much better than I expected.

For an audience recording, it sounds fantastic, I think.

Genesia said:

bonkers said:

I have to say, the sound is much better than I expected.

For an audience recording, it sounds fantastic, I think.

I usually avoid audience recordings, but i agree with you about this one. A little more Prince would be nice, but for a freebie it is very good indeed.

squirrelgrease said:

vitriol said:

I can't understand people.

Prince -FOR A CHANGE- plays an astounding gig. It is shared FOR FREE right away, and still you are reticent about grabbing it because there might be sound quality issues.

If these sound issues hadn't been properly advertised maybe some of you would find the quality more than ok and wouldn't worry about only one channel being used.

And, of course, had this been a Sabotage release and had you paid good money for it you'd be jumping and thanking the heavens because such a gig could be recorded.

So I can only say 2 things:

1) If you have such reservations and your extra fine ears can't bear with a perfectly listenable recording don't grab it and/or don't listen to it.

2) Thanks FBG, once more!

Well, FBG obviously believes in full disclosure, which is rare in this day and age of the commercial bootleggers "acquiring" free-trade releases and calling it their own. And this being the full show is unbelievable, considering the length and how many other tapers only got parts of it because of various technical issues.

It takes balls of steel and hearts of gold for our clandestine friends to record these shows on their own dime and face possible ejection from the concert in an effort to give us a glimpse of history for free.

We all know Prince isn't going to sell us these concerts. That's up to him, but these recordings satisfy our love of the music regardless of the chain of delivery.

cthdawn said:

squirrelgrease said:

Well, FBG obviously believes in full disclosure, which is rare in this day and age of the commercial bootleggers "acquiring" free-trade releases and calling it their own. And this being the full show is unbelievable, considering the length and how many other tapers only got parts of it because of various technical issues.

It takes balls of steel and hearts of gold for our clandestine friends to record these shows on their own dime and face possible ejection from the concert in an effort to give us a glimpse of history for free.

We all know Prince isn't going to sell us these concerts. That's up to him, but these recordings satisfy our love of the music regardless of the chain of delivery.

squirrelgrease says it perfectly; and it is a fantastic show

robinhood said:

erik319 said:

If you're going by those rules, then he already got paid to do this gig too. And if he chose to release it, then most of his diehard fans would buy it. He chooses not to.

so if you want the gig, you either get it for free from wonderful people like FBG or you wait a few months and end up buying the exact same thing from bootleggers like eye records or Sabotage.

If you downloaded 20ten though, as far as I can see, there's no difference in 'dodgy-ness' between downloading that or this

i dunno, the bootleg thing feels weird to me. like its not real.

at least with an online download of an official release i'm getting something Prince approved of in the creative sense, including the artwork.

whereas with bootlegs, the artwork isnt approved by him, and someone has maybe sonically 'mastered' the live gig without his approval either.

weird topic, not sure where to begin with it, but something doesnt feel right, although i fully understand why anyone would want to get their hands on as much prince-music as possible.

thanks for your input and thanks to thedance also

Yes the bootleg is not Prince's intent, but in the case of Prince and hard core fans like myself, the unauthorized music and albums might even be more important and entertaining to us.

I can honestly tell you that my favorite album of Prince's is the Black Album. And, it was only a bootleg that I kept buying better copies of year after year until its official release 5-6 years later.

For me the discover of literally hundreds upon hundreds of bootlegs comprised of concerts, rehearsals, and often the actual studio recordings... all of them packaged in a myriad of fan made artwork/design that often approaches a conceptual level beyond what Prince chooses to officially make... well this is what makes Prince fun and deep.

Plus often I do believe his original takes on songs (like Elephants and Flowers) is superior. And I think that his completely alternate versions of songs (like Irrisistible Bitch and Tick Tick Bang) are fascinating (you know like Spock says).

So in one way you are getting stuff that does have the input of another engineer or artist... but on the other hand you are getting a much more complete picture of Prince's art. And Prince's work and art taken as an external force once it gets out of him surpasses his self contained intent and scope of vision (he often limits development of his work with his impatience but that paradoxically is what leads to so much work).

ufoclub said:

robinhood said:

i dunno, the bootleg thing feels weird to me. like its not real.

at least with an online download of an official release i'm getting something Prince approved of in the creative sense, including the artwork.

whereas with bootlegs, the artwork isnt approved by him, and someone has maybe sonically 'mastered' the live gig without his approval either.

weird topic, not sure where to begin with it, but something doesnt feel right, although i fully understand why anyone would want to get their hands on as much prince-music as possible.

thanks for your input and thanks to thedance also

Yes the bootleg is not Prince's intent, but in the case of Prince and hard core fans like myself, the unauthorized music and albums might even be more important and entertaining to us.

I can honestly tell you that my favorite album of Prince's is the Black Album. And, it was only a bootleg that I kept buying better copies of year after year until its official release 5-6 years later.

For me the discover of literally hundreds upon hundreds of bootlegs comprised of concerts, rehearsals, and often the actual studio recordings... all of them packaged in a myriad of fan made artwork/design that often approaches a conceptual level beyond what Prince chooses to officially make... well this is what makes Prince fun and deep.

Plus often I do believe his original takes on songs (like Elephants and Flowers) is superior. And I think that his completely alternate versions of songs (like Irrisistible Bitch and Tick Tick Bang) are fascinating (you know like Spock says).

So in one way you are getting stuff that does have the input of another engineer or artist... but on the other hand you are getting a much more complete picture of Prince's art. And Prince's work and art taken as an external force once it gets out of him surpasses his self contained intent and scope of vision (he often limits development of his work with his impatience but that paradoxically is what leads to so much work).

What it does for me is to give us the merest glimpse into his process. Which, speaking as an artist in my own right, is the part I find most interesting.

As the great Hal Riney said...

The frightening and most difficult thing about being what somebody calls a creative person is that you have no idea where any of your thoughts come from, really. And especially, you don't have any idea about where they're going to come from tomorrow.

I'd like to hear this. Please send me a note. THANKS!

Can someone PLEASE let me know if "Blue Motel Room" is from Joni Mitchell's Hejira?????? And, if so, who sings it????

erik319 said:

I just wish there was more purple music on the setlist.

Have you seen the set list that was originally on stage?

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thanks2joniandu said:

Can someone PLEASE let me know if "Blue Motel Room" is from Joni Mitchell's Hejira?????? And, if so, who sings it????

It's indeed the Joni Mitchell song and it's sung by Elisa Fiorillo I think. But if you're expecting a exact copy of Joni's jazzy rendition, you might be disappointed, it's more of a bluesy call & response type rendition with the lyrics changed to fit the mood/place.

[Edited 7/29/10 11:53am]

I hafta say...when I listen to Stratus, it gives me almost the exact feeling as the opening Instrumental Jam from the Small Club.

I wonder if No One Else was a cover of the Weezer song. The lyrics to that song would suit Prince quite a bit.

[Edited 7/29/10 12:31pm]

Please folks, don't ask where you can get it in these forums. It's the first hit in Google as long as you include the correct search words.

robinhood said:

i dunno, the bootleg thing feels weird to me. like its not real.

at least with an online download of an official release i'm getting something Prince approved of in the creative sense, including the artwork.

whereas with bootlegs, the artwork isnt approved by him, and someone has maybe sonically 'mastered' the live gig without his approval either.

weird topic, not sure where to begin with it, but something doesnt feel right, although i fully understand why anyone would want to get their hands on as much prince-music as possible.

thanks for your input and thanks to thedance also

Squirrelgrease and Ufoclub both covered this subject pretty much with their replies, but I'd just like to add a little extra.

No one involved in putting these releases together makes any money from them - it's done for the appreciation of P's music and for the benefit of the fans. So are FBG depriving P of revenue? Well not in my opinion. If these live performances were to be officially released, the same people who have downloaded the free version are the same people who would immediatly go out and buy the official version - let's face it, these releases only really appeal to the hardcore fans who buy all of P's music.

These releases may not have P's seal of approval*, but the way I see it labels like FBG and 4DaFunk have helped keep interest in his music going amongst the fan community, especially in times of lacklustre 'official' output. Box 'O' Chocolates in particular helped remind people of his genius - it also came out around the same time that P released Purple & Gold/Cause & Effect/Hot Summer, and so helped off-set the widespread disapointment those official releases caused.

In fact I'd go so far as to say if it hadn't been for the various boots that have been released over the years, P's fanbase would not be as large as it is today.

Oh, and with regards to the artwork, while I can't speak for other labels, I know that for the most part the artworks for FBG & 4DaFunk are designed to complement his music while at the same time adding a bit of individuality to the release (and not just using an exsisting promo shot with a bit of text over it).

*Although let's not forget - even P admitted to owning a few James Brown bootlegs many years ago.

downloading.