If people on the continent don't "know" Prince, it's because he's never been there. Of course there is an up market segment there. If you go by what tv shows you, you'll remain in the dark. Dont' talk to me about the Blood diamonds issue though coz I'll puke.
Politically, it has a long history of colonialist issues; there are still some dictators and security is an additional aspect in planning if a concert would be done. Lets see how the WC goes. Would be nice if he got together with the SA nobel Nelson Mandela for a benefit concert, though I presume Prince is more concerned with issues on his back door step which are just as prevalent. It's a pity though because afaiac, the rhythm was born in Africa. It seeps through their pores, runs thru their blood every vein and capillary, they are the heartbeat of civilisation. One would hope at least that he would vacation there and experience how close to nature and the beast the continent is. Life in its simplest and purest form in some parts. To me music wise, the continent is rich. From the north to the south, rhythm and percussion lives and breathes. Actually, Durban SA, was the last place MJ ever gave a tour concert. The History tour. I'm happy that MJ touched the continent. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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ksujithkarun said: databank said: I don't think non-western countries are as exposed to western stars as we are except for Japan, and it was even less the case in the 80's/earky 90's when Prince was huge.
I didn't meet anyone in India or China who knew him, and most people hardly knew any western artist except for newbies that are heavily marketed such as Linkin' Park (!!!). Many chinese people told me last summer that they learned about Michael Jackson's existence when he died! On the other hand one has to understand that most of non-Western countries have they own stars: for exemple, Bollywood music is very big in India, and western pop has most difficulties finding a market against it, even today. More strange and very uncool IMO is that, while Prince maintained his legacy and media exposure in the USA, he didn't do it as much here in Europe, and i met several 20-something years-old people here in France who had absolutely no clue about who Prince was. They probably knew the song "Kiss" but didn't know who was singing it, and had never heard Prince's name. This was totally unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago when my generation was in its 20's. ![]() Yes you are right..I am from India and follow Prince's music..but I have never come across another Indian, who listens to Prince...I am not saying there arent any..even if they are, its a very small population.. But western musicians are indeed popular in India..like MJ was as popular in India as any where else..Madonna, GNR, Akon have also enjoyed immense popularity here.. But the fact is, India opened up its market to the world only in mid 90's, and since then the coverage given to western music has gone up..but that was perhaps the time, when Prince was getting more and more away from publicity..like when he was warner, his CD's used to get released here, but since then, it has been a pain to locate them.. But i do hope he would one day tour India... There's so much he could learn from the Indian culture ![]() I visited the Taj hotel in Mumbai while Madonna was in it for 2008's new year eve. It was quite weird when it was attacked a few months later to think "shit: i was there exactly, and the guy who made me visit the place possibly witnessed the whole event" (he was a cook there but at least i know he wasn't killed because no french citizen was killed) ![]() Where in India do you live? ... [Edited 4/27/10 1:30am] A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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luv4u said: Africa1 said: Read a book. Let's see..... political unstability, AIDs, famine, civil wars, arms dealing, corrupt governments, blood diamonds, cocoa beans, refugee camps..... Plus .... I doubt he's well known. Does he have fans on that continent? That would be ![]() you do realise that africa is a continent ![]() | |
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Audexia said: luv4u said: Let's see..... political unstability, AIDs, famine, civil wars, arms dealing, corrupt governments, blood diamonds, cocoa beans, refugee camps..... Plus .... I doubt he's well known. Does he have fans on that continent? That would be ![]() you do realise that africa is a continent ![]() Most people here (in the western world) don't realize that, they see Africa as one single thing ![]() A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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PurpleDiamond2009 said: 2elijah said: That's not true. There are modernized cities in Africa, with a working class. The problem with many, is they take the image the media shows of certain parts of Africa, with starving people, and think that's how everyone in Africa is living. Here's a site showing that has some interesting images of cities in Africa: http://www.skyscrapercity...03&page=15 [Edited 4/26/10 20:36pm] ![]() Absolutely. I have neighbors who are from the Congo and explained to me that that western media only shows parts of Africa that are impoverished, giving the impression that Africa has no skyscrapers or modernized cities. I believe , too often, many westerners allow the "University of cable tv news" to be their main source of education about other countries. | |
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Bohemian67 said: If people on the continent don't "know" Prince, it's because he's never been there. Of course there is an up market segment there. If you go by what tv shows you, you'll remain in the dark. Dont' talk to me about the Blood diamonds issue though coz I'll puke.
Politically, it has a long history of colonialist issues; there are still some dictators and security is an additional aspect in planning if a concert would be done. Lets see how the WC goes. Would be nice if he got together with the SA nobel Nelson Mandela for a benefit concert, though I presume Prince is more concerned with issues on his back door step which are just as prevalent. It's a pity though because afaiac, the rhythm was born in Africa. It seeps through their pores, runs thru their blood every vein and capillary, they are the heartbeat of civilisation. One would hope at least that he would vacation there and experience how close to nature and the beast the continent is. Life in its simplest and purest form in some parts. To me music wise, the continent is rich. From the north to the south, rhythm and percussion lives and breathes. Actually, Durban SA, was the last place MJ ever gave a tour concert. The History tour. I'm happy that MJ touched the continent. Not to mention Africa has some great musicians he could collaborate with. [Edited 4/27/10 6:31am] | |
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luv4u said: Africa1 said: Read a book. Let's see..... political unstability, AIDs, famine, civil wars, arms dealing, corrupt governments, blood diamonds, cocoa beans, refugee camps..... Plus .... I doubt he's well known. Does he have fans on that continent? That would be ![]() The U.S. has political instability as well;Africa and the U.S. deal with hunger issues;they both have a history of civil wars;they have/had corruption in government;the U.S. has to deal with cases of HIV/AIDS, just like Africa;the blood diamonds/slavery issues-well that could be compared to Americas history of slavery and the crops from plantations they profitted from with forced labor. So really, Africa and the U.S. have plenty in common, as well as great music. [Edited 4/27/10 7:09am] | |
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luv4u said: I don't think many people in Africa could financially afford his tix.
and THIS person is a moderator on this site. wow. such ignorance. like the whole damn CONTINENT is po! | |
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WaterInYourBath said: Prince has never visited Africa. Ever. That's why.
He´s been to Morocco and Egypt. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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I once gave my mp3 player to a guy from Nigeria, and there was not one single Prince songg on it that he remotely liked, and I had tons of Prince songs on it, old and new stuff. He would skip every song and say "Dis izz SHIIIITTT!".
He loved the other folders though, filled with HipHop from Jay-Z to Nas and _RnB " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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datdude said: luv4u said: I don't think many people in Africa could financially afford his tix.
and THIS person is a moderator on this site. wow. such ignorance. like the whole damn CONTINENT is po! ![]() ![]() | |
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Because they have more important fish to fry. I'm firmly planted in denial | |
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KoolEaze said: WaterInYourBath said: Prince has never visited Africa. Ever. That's why.
He´s been to Morocco and Egypt. When? "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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purpledoveuk said: NelsonR said: I can only speak for South Africa...he is well known here, but is seen as a bit of an eccentric;
he has not played here, and I am sure people would really dig him. his songs are on the radio here all the time though... That's odd.. I spoke to a group of South Africans the day after the final 21 nights gig...I was so buzzed to tell them but they'd never heard of him... Then I heard myself saying "he's like michael Jackson" [Edited 4/26/10 23:59pm] Prince is not seen as a main stream artist in South Africa...but people in their 30's remember him from the 80's; his love songs are popular on urban stations. | |
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Africa1 said: hell, not only africa. He is not very known as a whole.
Why is that?? The infrastructure of the country as a whole does not redeem it self towards popular culture..IE western money grabbing!.."The words all the critics love you in New York tend to fall on deaf ears, when your just fighting for survival.. ![]() | |
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Joyinrepatition said: Africa1 said: hell, not only africa. He is not very known as a whole.
Why is that?? The infrastructure of the country as a whole does not redeem it self towards popular culture..IE western money grabbing!.."The words all the critics love you in New York tend to fall on deaf ears, when your just fighting for survival.. ![]() Are you talking about the U.S? Africa is a continent not a country. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Joyinrepatition said: The infrastructure of the country as a whole does not redeem it self towards popular culture..IE western money grabbing!.."The words all the critics love you in New York tend to fall on deaf ears, when your just fighting for survival.. ![]() Are you talking about the U.S? Africa is a continent not a country. Here endeth today's Geography lesson ![]() ![]() | |
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2elijah said: Marrk said: West Indies/The Carribean would give anyone a run for their money in the most homophobic stakes. ![]() [Edited 4/26/10 11:44am] As a person of Caribbean descent, I have to say unfortunately you are right about many parts of the Caribbean being homophobic. I also have to say I was shocked at a program I saw witnessing that type of prejudice coming from people of the Caribbean. It's due to lack of education about the LGBT community and religious beliefs, is just two of the reasons why many of them hold those prejudices, but they are all not like that, and there are also members of the LGBT community living all over the Caribbean. It's also due to religious beliefs [Edited 4/26/10 12:26pm] It's always about religious beliefs. If we got rid of religion, the entire world would be much better off and much more tolerant. | |
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Empress said: 2elijah said: As a person of Caribbean descent, I have to say unfortunately you are right about many parts of the Caribbean being homophobic. I also have to say I was shocked at a program I saw witnessing that type of prejudice coming from people of the Caribbean. It's due to lack of education about the LGBT community and religious beliefs, is just two of the reasons why many of them hold those prejudices, but they are all not like that, and there are also members of the LGBT community living all over the Caribbean. It's also due to religious beliefs [Edited 4/26/10 12:26pm] It's always about religious beliefs. If we got rid of religion, the entire world would be much better off and much more tolerant. No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Empress said: It's always about religious beliefs. If we got rid of religion, the entire world would be much better off and much more tolerant. No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() Thanks for your input. Although I still believe that religion ruins everything and always has. I guess my view on that will never change. I'm not a fan of religion and I believe that basic humanity is what this world needs. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Empress said: It's always about religious beliefs. If we got rid of religion, the entire world would be much better off and much more tolerant. No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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Joyinrepatition said: DesireeNevermind said: No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Empress said: It's always about religious beliefs. If we got rid of religion, the entire world would be much better off and much more tolerant. No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() (Bolded part) ![]() | |
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Empress said: DesireeNevermind said: No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() Thanks for your input. Although I still believe that religion ruins everything and always has. I guess my view on that will never change. I'm not a fan of religion and I believe that basic humanity is what this world needs. Religion in many occurences create hate and horrible things, but on many other occurences it creates love and wonderful behaviors. I agree with Desiree: it's all about humanity, not religion. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Empress said: DesireeNevermind said: No it wouldn't. Religion didn't always exist and people still treated one another like crap. There are athiest run/anti-religious countries that deny their citizenz basic rights. It's about humanity being inhumane. If it isn't religion, it would be politics, if it isn't politics it will be land, if it isn't land it will be pussy. Now if get rid of all the men, well..... ![]() Thanks for your input. Although I still believe that religion ruins everything and always has. I guess my view on that will never change. I'm not a fan of religion and I believe that basic humanity is what this world needs. I hear ya but if you study humanities and anthropology and culture then you'd know basic humanity is not all it's chalked up to be. We (the human race) can be some downright barbarians and idiots at times as well as spring forth small wells of genius and compassion and all that's in the absence of religion. People give all this power to religion and think it runs the world but half the time they don't even step foot inside a church, mosque or synagogue. It's like how can one know the good or evil of any religion if you don't practice or study any? The most influential people on this planet, those whose decisions impact us all, probably don't give two farts about religion or at least not the religion you might think. ![]() | |
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databank said: ksujithkarun said: Yes you are right..I am from India and follow Prince's music..but I have never come across another Indian, who listens to Prince...I am not saying there arent any..even if they are, its a very small population.. But western musicians are indeed popular in India..like MJ was as popular in India as any where else..Madonna, GNR, Akon have also enjoyed immense popularity here.. But the fact is, India opened up its market to the world only in mid 90's, and since then the coverage given to western music has gone up..but that was perhaps the time, when Prince was getting more and more away from publicity..like when he was warner, his CD's used to get released here, but since then, it has been a pain to locate them.. But i do hope he would one day tour India... There's so much he could learn from the Indian culture ![]() I visited the Taj hotel in Mumbai while Madonna was in it for 2008's new year eve. It was quite weird when it was attacked a few months later to think "shit: i was there exactly, and the guy who made me visit the place possibly witnessed the whole event" (he was a cook there but at least i know he wasn't killed because no french citizen was killed) ![]() Where in India do you live? ... [Edited 4/27/10 1:30am] Yeah..indeed it was a terrible incident, which shocked all of us for quite a long time... I am based out of Chennai a.k.a Madras.. currently in Toronto for a month.. Let me know when u r in India next time... Liv 4 Luv | |
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WaterInYourBath said: KoolEaze said: He´s been to Morocco and Egypt. When? Egypt ? Mid 90s. Morocco? In 2004 or 2006, when 3121 came out. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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WaterInYourBath said: Prince has never visited Africa. Ever. That's why.
He filmed videos with Mayte in Cairo. Never really? | |
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KoolEaze said: WaterInYourBath said: When? Egypt ? Mid 90s. Morocco? In 2004 or 2006, when 3121 came out. ![]() | |
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Prince's music isn't played where I live because it isn't considered mainstream for the radio... but when he does come here he sells out the venues every time.
Artists go where there's a demand. Prince may have fans worldwide but he isn't mainstream in many places. So Prince plays and goes where the profit is... its a business after all. | |
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