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Reply #60 posted 03/26/10 9:06am

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but anyone who thinks a court order of $3 has put him in the poor house is crazy.



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Reply #61 posted 03/26/10 9:11am

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stichdoll said:



but anyone who thinks a court order of $3 has put him in the poor house is crazy.



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he's still got a few court orders coming down, don't forget. one $3 million pay-out isn't going to break up. i just wonder how many more checks he'll be writing for this stuff this year.

I have a feeling he's going to have a lot of fraud cases opened on him by various credit and banking instutions in the next few days. On top of his other legal and financial matters that he appears to not be attending to.
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Reply #62 posted 03/26/10 9:12am

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xlr8r said:




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he's still got a few court orders coming down, don't forget. one $3 million pay-out isn't going to break up. i just wonder how many more checks he'll be writing for this stuff this year.

I have a feeling he's going to have a lot of fraud cases opened on him by various credit and banking instutions in the next few days. On top of his other legal and financial matters that he appears to not be attending to.



Well word on the street is he is putting in applications at his local Target and Walmart stores so who knows shrug
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Reply #63 posted 03/26/10 9:15am

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With all the latest lawsuits and bills... I dunno

Or will he quietly cough up the bux he owes?

razz I don't get why he did it in the first place. But then again, it seems that very few celebs handle their finances the right way. Something about fame makes them all feel exempt from paying taxes or going over their accountant's head to see what's what. I mean come on, you just don't forget that you've estates and stuff under your belt.

I thought about it, though. The man ain't broke. Aside from what we know about, who knows how many cookie jars he's got his hands in. All sorts of projects and organizations he could be a part of under aliases. I guess he just decided not to pony up. I'm sure he will now. Seems like there's a new person trying to sue the purple be-jeweled lace thong off his perfect little ass...love drooling

--erm... eek

I mean he's getting sued a lot. Nevertheless, he'll pony up and we'll live happily ever after. Or not. I heard on the radio that he's been ignoring the calls and letters. He might take it too far and get thrown in jail. Who knows!
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Reply #64 posted 03/26/10 9:16am

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What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!
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Reply #65 posted 03/26/10 9:19am

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SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow.



"and Prince gots lots of it"-Janet Jackson/Control
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Reply #66 posted 03/26/10 9:21am

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What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


This is Prince here...come on...he's got the money and he'll pay them off one at a time ..he's aware of the sharks in the music business .... he'll come out fighting as he always does...

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Reply #67 posted 03/26/10 9:22am

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LondonStyle said:

SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


This is Prince here...come on...he's got the money and he'll pay them off one at a time ..he's aware of the sharks in the music business .... he'll come out fighting as he always does...

lol


I want Warner to resign the slave!!!!!
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Reply #68 posted 03/26/10 9:28am

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Then explain it better than I did.

And do you know how much it costs to operate a Gulfstream V jet (which Prince alluded to flying around on "Mr. Goodnight")?


The lyric was sensationalism. Puffy talked a lot about flying big ass jet planes but admitted later that he couldn't afford that. And Prince has WAY more money than Puff.

Your list was only 2004 onwards. He still makes a fucking TON of royalties from the WB days. Think about how much airplay he gets around the world. It's a LOT. Prince gets paid everytime one of his songs is played on the radio, anywhere, or a video shown on TV. He has percentage points on Purple Rain DVD/Blu-Ray sales too. Diamonds and Pearls was re-released on DVD recently too. The albums sell a lot on their own, too (physically AND digitally).

I know artists that make BANK on songs they've been CO-writers of that have been minor hits. Prince is a worldwide megastar and has 100% of the writing credits on damn near all of his hits.

Let's not forget songs like "Manic Monday" and Sinead's cover of "Nothing Compares 2 U".....who gets paid when those songs are played anywhere? (And they still get a lot of airplay too) - Prince does. Even lesser known covers like the Tom Jones "Kiss" cover get played a decent amount. Think about rappers who have sampled Prince and had hits - there's a fair few. Tupac is just ONE example, he sampled Prince on at least 3 or 4 released songs (and even more unreleased ones but those don't count). Jay-Z & Beyonce's song "Bonnie & Clyde '03" was a hit, and Prince has a writers credit on that because they used lyrics from "If I Was Your Girlfriend".

Also, when artists cover Prince songs live - he gets paid. Serious artists/venues I mean, not shitty bar bands.

You also didn't include merchandise revenues for the Musicology/3121 Vegas/London tours. That shit is substantial as well.

I'm sure there are other things that haven't been mentioned too.


You still didn't quantify how much Prince makes, other than to say it was a lot.

I at least gave it a shot (and I did include royalties) and I came up with a ton of money from 2004 onward. And I also can see how he could spend that much money.
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Reply #69 posted 03/26/10 9:32am

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RubyButterfly said:




Your posts seem to indicate that YOU know exactly what Prince does with his money and how much he makes and spends. How do you come by your expert knowledge?


It's...complicated lol.


I'm really smart and I have the whole weekend off, so explain it. Otherwise, you have less credibility than anyone here. At least I've used published figures to attempt to quantify Prince's cash flow.

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Reply #70 posted 03/26/10 9:37am

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SquirrelMeat said:



He is Little Richard personified.


Hey I don't mean to get all boring internet grammar/vo-cab Nazi on ya'll, but this is an extremely egregious misuse of the word 'personified'. Little Richard is Little Richard personified. He can't be personified by Prince because Little Richard is not an inanimate object.

Just say'n. Cheers!
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Reply #71 posted 03/26/10 9:40am

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JudasLChrist said:

SquirrelMeat said:



He is Little Richard personified.


Hey I don't mean to get all boring internet grammar/vo-cab Nazi on ya'll, but this is an extremely egregious misuse of the word 'personified'. Little Richard is Little Richard personified. He can't be personified by Prince because Little Richard is not an inanimate object.

Just say'n. Cheers!


I'll change it to.....

He is like Little Richard....a bit
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Reply #72 posted 03/26/10 9:52am

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xlr8r said:

erik319 said:



eek

Its a dumb question lol.


uh..no it isn't
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Reply #73 posted 03/26/10 9:56am

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RodeoSchro said:

xlr8r said:



It's...complicated lol.


I'm really smart and I have the whole weekend off, so explain it.


It's something I use that was in ancient greeek mythology called objectivity and common sense.
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Reply #74 posted 03/26/10 9:58am

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RipTheJacker said:

xlr8r said:


Its a dumb question lol.


uh..no it isn't


Oh asking of these minor recent shennanegins will make Prince go bankrupt isnt? Okay.It was my opinion. I recall we are allowed to post those regardless of who creates a post. We can't do that?
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Reply #75 posted 03/26/10 10:17am

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xlr8r said:

RodeoSchro said:



I'm really smart and I have the whole weekend off, so explain it.


It's something I use that was in ancient greeek mythology called objectivity and common sense.




since when do the words objectivity and common sense belong in a conversation about Prince on the org lol

it's completely impossible based on the subject matter (Prince) alone. these 2 words are not even in the language of Princebonics lol
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Reply #76 posted 03/26/10 10:24am

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SquirrelMeat said:

LondonStyle said:



This is Prince here...come on...he's got the money and he'll pay them off one at a time ..he's aware of the sharks in the music business .... he'll come out fighting as he always does...

lol


I want Warner to resign the slave!!!!!
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don't worry they will do in the near future....but on Prince's terms again ...sh*t the record industry are doing so bad they need to sign 10 Prince's to make a $.... lol

Most of the big guy's around in Prince's day have had their head cut off buy now i guess... lol
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Reply #77 posted 03/26/10 11:08am

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xlr8r said:

RubyButterfly said:




Neither you nor I know exactly what Prince spends in his private life, or what luxuries he indulges in or properties he's invested in or expenses he's incurred which might contribute to his current financial situation, which is why I think some of this talk is so amusing -- some people are just soooo convinced they are an authority and KNOW everything about Prince, or what he does or has.

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lol lol bingo g money. They think because they are on the intenret all day every day here they know the ins and outs and thought porocesses of another pop stars mind, enterprises, etc etc.

Yall (in general) are very out of touch but do not realize it.



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Reply #78 posted 03/26/10 11:10am

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xlr8r said:




lol lol bingo g money. They think because they are on the intenret all day every day here they know the ins and outs and thought porocesses of another pop stars mind, enterprises, etc etc.

Yall (in general) are very out of touch but do not realize it.



I love u because ur so cool


P.S. Prince is not broke he just want u to think he is..... lol
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Reply #79 posted 03/26/10 11:14am

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SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


And what no-one seems to grasp is that late payment is the norm, particularly for big payouts. So, instead of stupidity, or laziness, this could be his accountants being clever and holding back on 3/4million worth of payments for as long as possible, because the net interest will be worth more than any fines or penalties.

I've said this on plenty of threads but very few seem to consider it - jeesh, yes, he's getting sued here and there and he's holding back on payment. Why does everyone have to assume that's an alarm signal - seems like normal business practice to me!
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Reply #80 posted 03/26/10 11:17am

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Mindflux said:

SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


And what no-one seems to grasp is that late payment is the norm, particularly for big payouts. So, instead of stupidity, or laziness, this could be his accountants being clever and holding back on 3/4million worth of payments for as long as possible, because the net interest will be worth more than any fines or penalties.

I've said this on plenty of threads but very few seem to consider it - jeesh, yes, he's getting sued here and there and he's holding back on payment. Why does everyone have to assume that's an alarm signal - seems like normal business practice to me!



surely it's backfiring somewhat when official government entities (the tax assessor, a judge) are resorting to making the numbers VERY public.
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Reply #81 posted 03/26/10 11:31am

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With all the latest lawsuits and bills... I dunno

Or will he quietly cough up the bux he owes?


He ain't broke. Not by far.

However, if Prince continues the path he is on now, his living expenses will rise sharply, while his basic income (his fans) will go down sharply.

Then, in time, he may get into really big financial troubles, but that's still a long way to go. The man has got a huge bank account and a lot of property to sell or pawn.

And he could always play Vegas and rich man parties.


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Reply #82 posted 03/26/10 11:35am

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Mindflux said:



And what no-one seems to grasp is that late payment is the norm, particularly for big payouts. So, instead of stupidity, or laziness, this could be his accountants being clever and holding back on 3/4million worth of payments for as long as possible, because the net interest will be worth more than any fines or penalties.

I've said this on plenty of threads but very few seem to consider it - jeesh, yes, he's getting sued here and there and he's holding back on payment. Why does everyone have to assume that's an alarm signal - seems like normal business practice to me!



surely it's backfiring somewhat when official government entities (the tax assessor, a judge) are resorting to making the numbers VERY public.


Why? Its not stopping P from earning interest on the money he still has in the bank.

And if you're referring to "bad publicity", its not harmed him in the past, why should it now? And this is hardly bad publicity! He's late with his payments - he hasn't been found guilty of refusing to pay taxes or something....this is a mole-hill, not a mountain!
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Reply #83 posted 03/26/10 11:37am

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SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


This is Prince here...come on...he's got the money and he'll pay them off one at a time ..he's aware of the sharks in the music business .... he'll come out fighting as he always does...

lol


Yeah, I think it's mostly a complete lack of interest and care about these matters. Thas is stupid and could become dangerous if he doesn't get his house in order in time, but I think Prince has shown before that while he is always late, he laso always manages to do 'just' fix it. One can never keep that up their entire life tho'....
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Reply #84 posted 03/26/10 11:40am

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luv4u said:

With all the latest lawsuits and bills... I dunno

Or will he quietly cough up the bux he owes?


He ain't broke. Not by far.

However, if Prince continues the path he is on now, his living expenses will rise sharply, while his basic income (his fans) will go down sharply.

Then, in time, he may get into really big financial troubles, but that's still a long way to go. The man has got a huge bank account and a lot of property to sell or pawn.

And he could always play Vegas and rich man parties.


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That's pure specualation. You have no idea how things will go for Prince, or any other business. Even long established, massive businesses fail you know? And, for someone like Prince, its much harder being this successful as a sole trader rather than a large corporation.

He's made more money than most people can dream of, had a successful 30-year career in a business where longevity is far from the norm and still people write him off as a failure or, going down the wrong path. These people will not have acheived anything like him and I'd venture that most don't even run a small business of their own. If they did, they wouldn't be making ill-informed comments on Prince's financial situation (as they perceive it to be, at least)
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Reply #85 posted 03/26/10 11:42am

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LondonStyle said:



This is Prince here...come on...he's got the money and he'll pay them off one at a time ..he's aware of the sharks in the music business .... he'll come out fighting as he always does...

lol


Yeah, I think it's mostly a complete lack of interest and care about these matters. Thas is stupid and could become dangerous if he doesn't get his house in order in time, but I think Prince has shown before that while he is always late, he laso always manages to do 'just' fix it. One can never keep that up their entire life tho'....


Did you actually read what I wrote about late payments being common practice?! I'll repeat - these late payments are probably DELIBERATE in order to earn more money, not a mistake!!
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Reply #86 posted 03/26/10 11:42am

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Mindflux said:

SquirrelMeat said:

What some people don't grasp is, bankruptcy is not usually about net wealth, its about cash flow. It starts will administration and insolvency and can often spiral to bankruptcy if the house is not in good order.

Prince has got cribs, cars, back catalog etc etc, but if he doesn't maintain a good cash flow, then his heavy monthly outgoings on things like Paisley Park will drag him down. The studio has been a noose around his neck for 20 years, but pride won't let him shut it.

If Prince does indeed have plenty of cash stashed as some believe, then why has the date lapsed for him to pay the Dublin money?

If its to be obtuse, then he's a chump becasue he'll potentially effect his credit rating accross the whole of the EU, his biggest potential money making market.

If its stupidity, then he gets what comes to him.

If its cash flow, then its a hell of a problem to get out off if he is having to pay lawyers left right and centre to fight the vultures at the door.

On the bright side, if it is cash flow, then maybe WB will bail him out for the chance to remaster the classics?!


And what no-one seems to grasp is that late payment is the norm, particularly for big payouts. So, instead of stupidity, or laziness, this could be his accountants being clever and holding back on 3/4million worth of payments for as long as possible, because the net interest will be worth more than any fines or penalties.

I've said this on plenty of threads but very few seem to consider it - jeesh, yes, he's getting sued here and there and he's holding back on payment. Why does everyone have to assume that's an alarm signal - seems like normal business practice to me!


Yes that's a common practice, but these are taxes. The tax man can instantly confiscate your bank account and property and hasten your bankruptcy if he likes. So you can play those games with other creditors, who need to go to court first, but not with the tax man. If you are not an idiot at least. And I doubt the nett interest on holding on to 250K a couple of months longer add enough to equal the fine of 30.000. That's more than a 10% interest rate. Don't think so.

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Reply #87 posted 03/26/10 11:44am

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Prince got more bills than Tiger Woods got Whores! falloff What next? Universal gonna sue Prince for having them promote and mini-tour for Tamar's album which never saw the light of day? Stay tunned!

But seriously, I think Prince will be fine...he'll just do a couple more one off gigs and sell the fans more merchandise and empty promises and his financial woes will dissappear faster than his websites do! I'm still ticked he left that blue orb crap on his page, only to disintergrate when you roll over it confused
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Reply #88 posted 03/26/10 11:45am

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dartluv5 said:

Prince got more bills than Tiger Woods got Whores! falloff What next? Universal gonna sue Prince for having them promote and mini-tour for Tamar's album which never saw the light of day? Stay tunned!



nah, they already took care of that. water under the bridge. they cancelled her album because he wouldn't promote his lol
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Reply #89 posted 03/26/10 11:46am

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luv4u apologies I guesss cause this has actually been a HIT thread lol

then again theres no accounting for the taste of....
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