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Reply #450 posted 03/01/10 4:51am

xiomara

I'm still waiting. I get it... Good stuff! cool
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Reply #451 posted 03/01/10 5:03am

NeoGeo24bit

Wall said:

andykeen said:

Apart from Colonized Mind, Dreamer and Walls of Berlin, I really don't think Prince can record a great rock song!


Nor are any of the songs you mention. Dreamer is the closest and its so heavily reliant on Hendrix that it should be labeled a cover. I think Boom is one of the better things he's done in the past few years but it's ultimately still no better than a b-side.

One of the strangest things about Prince's career is that live he can seemingly rock as hard as any non-metal act over the past 20 years but when he enters the studio, there is some bizarre disconnect and all of his guitar laden material ends up sounding contrived, over-produced and hyper polished. I think Fury is the best example of this. On record it's an okay pop song but when he did it on Saturday Night Live he entered a stratosphere that only he seems to have access to. Off the top of my head, even though the groove becomes rather redundant, I can't think of anything off of his albums that is as solidly performed as Bambi.


Nah... Boom, Colonized Mind, Wall of Berlin, and Dreamer ARE great rock songs. Either that, or I have bad taste. And I don't have bad taste. I'm elite.
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Reply #452 posted 03/01/10 5:13am

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[Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #453 posted 03/01/10 5:14am

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therat said:

[Snip - luv4u]



eek

U r sick!
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Reply #454 posted 03/01/10 5:15am

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I recall being confused by Purple And Gold at first. But then I found myself singing it and couldnt get it out of my head. I grew to love it in a a couple of weeks for some reason. I like this new song less but I wouldnt be surprised it I came to like it more. Sometimes I wonder if a musical genius will actually make something that outside the comprehension of the average person and some repeated exposure and study to required to truly "get it".

In this world of throw away music and instant gratification, we have lost the ability to consider and ponder all art to the fullest potential. This is one reason there are so few worthy complete albums today. There was a time when people had to sit down with an actual piece of vinyl and a record player and listen to a complete album; not just a collection of random music files without some artistic or conceptual framework. People read the liner notes and studied the cover art. They sat around the card table or at the backyard cookout and discussed it. There was a tangible dimension to the music. Music wasnt gulped down in large digital chunks. It was savored, revisited, studied, copied, admired - it was a lasting component of our lives that actually scored (and, there by, immortalized) the most important and vivid memories in our lives.

Today, it doesnt even have to be real art - or real music. No one cares because there is something else coming right behind what you just heard and it is disposable too. I suppose that makes true artists like Prince a dying breed. But then that has been the case for the last 20 years. That Prince is even still around and can get on the charts or get a Grammy nomination at all is more than astounding to me.

I guess I say all that to say give new music from a genius some further consideration - at least listen to it more than twice - before making a judgement. Sometimes there is still some of that thing that made people truly listen to music back in the day.
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Reply #455 posted 03/01/10 5:29am

dodoriazarbon

I listened to half then turned it off. Really ridiculous.

I'll give it another go soon. Right now I'm listening to Joanna Newsom and realistically she takes priority over anything Prince has done in the last 10 years.
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Reply #456 posted 03/01/10 5:56am

Graycap23

CoCoCrip said:

Anyway, 4give Me 4 interrupting, and putting my two cents in
But all this lack of compassion just adds 2 The Urge 2 taste sin
Seems The Thieves won't be happy until The Last temple's destroyed
Only then will The Fruits of ONE's labor truly be enjoyed



"

I've been saying this 4 while.....
Welcome back.
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Reply #457 posted 03/01/10 6:16am

2elijah

therat said:

[Snip - luv4u]


eek How could you say something like that? That is pure evil.
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Reply #458 posted 03/01/10 6:18am

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2elijah said:

therat said:


[Snip - luv4u]


eek How could you say something like that? That is pure evil.
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[Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #459 posted 03/01/10 6:18am

IstenSzek

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Jakeasaurus said:

Prince, if you really are wanting our reactions and reading this, don't listen to all the crazy people who are saying this song is bad. Personally, this is the exact type of song I love when Prince does, in the very same vein as PFUNK/F.U.N.K.



except F.U.N.K. actually works. it's got a lot going on and it shifts
tempo and structure and yet it totally works on all levels. that song
is a testament to all things prince can pull off and combine. PLUS it
manages what only his best work ever could: it makes it's separate
elements add up to something that comes off as slightly impossible or
magical. F.U.N.K. is hands down the best track released after "TRC"
and before "Lotusflow3r" (the title disc).

this new song, if anything, reminds me slightly of "turn me loose",
but a bad retread at that. i actually think "turn me loose" is pretty
fun and ok but this song is just bad.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #460 posted 03/01/10 6:21am

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CoCoCrip said:

Brothers and sisters, Eye sit here and must grin
No wonder He has an issue with His next of kin
What's with all The Hatred? Why all The Strife?
Are we not gathered here 2 get through this thing called life?

The Cause of The CONfusion, ONE would have 2 suspect
Is The Lack of understanding The Image of God's intellect
Eye've PROvided a link that might help clear things up
But by no means am Eye saying that U must drink from that cup

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1014.htm

No child is bad from The Beginning, was that not made clear?
Eye Am troubled by all The Child abuse going on around here
IT transcends The Physical, IT hurts more than a slap
What is The Cause and effect of labeling any child, "crap"?

Is IT better 4 ONE 2 keep The Children under lock and key
Sheltered from all The Haters and those that wannabe?
If The Children were orphans would this have been The Reaction?
Behold The Cause and effect on The Late Michael Jackson

But that's anOTHER subject perhaps 4 anOTHER court
If U want 2 go there, U'll have 2 stamp your own passport
Eye Am here, where are U? Are U still stuck in The Past?
Remember, my 'friends', all good things, they say, never last

Anyway, 4give Me 4 interrupting, and putting my two cents in
But all this lack of compassion just adds 2 The Urge 2 taste sin
Seems The Thieves won't be happy until The Last temple's destroyed
Only then will The Fruits of ONE's labor truly be enjoyed

-> CoCoCrip <-

"Drugs Just Make U Smaller"

"Did U Ever Stop 2 Wonder Why U Put Another Down?
No Man Should Asunder, The Joy That Another Man Found"


Welcome back 2 the Org.Prince..do U see how divided it has become?
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Reply #461 posted 03/01/10 6:23am

2elijah

garganta said:

2elijah said:



eek How could you say something like that? That is pure evil.
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[Snip - luv4u]


I don't understand how people could be so evil to say something like that. Unbelievable.
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Reply #462 posted 03/01/10 6:29am

Dave1992

I don't know if it was mentioned already, but the "I am here.. where are you?" intro with the crowd noise is not from the Wembley Arena.

It's from the last gig in Montreux!






And the crowd noise is real, no fake shit like people said it was.
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Reply #463 posted 03/01/10 6:33am

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2elijah said:

garganta said:




[Snip - luv4u]


I don't understand how people could be so evil to say something like that. Unbelievable.


I don´t know, they must not be very happy with their lifes shrug
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Reply #464 posted 03/01/10 7:01am

luv4u

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Move along folks..
canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
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Reply #465 posted 03/01/10 7:03am

2elijah

babynoz said:

2elijah said:



So Babynoz, what did you think about the guitar "solos" in C&E?


Check out my reply #395 biggrin

I do wonder if he's puttng the finishing touches on a new album? I remember him asking for input about Feel Better, Feel Good right before NPGMC shut down but we didn't hear of it again till LotusFlower.


That would be awesome, and about FB,FG, FW, yes I remember when he asked fans' opinions on that track; it sounded good when he played it live on Jay Leno's show.
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Reply #466 posted 03/01/10 7:12am

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garganta said:

2elijah said:



I don't understand how people could be so evil to say something like that. Unbelievable.


I don´t know, they must not be very happy with their lives shrug
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Reply #467 posted 03/01/10 7:22am

IstenSzek

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babynoz said:



Check out my reply #395 biggrin

I do wonder if he's puttng the finishing touches on a new album? I remember him asking for input about Feel Better, Feel Good right before NPGMC shut down but we didn't hear of it again till LotusFlower.

[/quote]

i think they have all been at paisley park finishing recording on
Shelby J's debut album.

now there's a protege album i'm excited about. that girl can sing
and i'm curious about a possible album from her.

yay!

but you just know that when prince is at the park he'll be in the
studio tracking tunes left right and center so i'm sure he's got
a lot of new material in the can

it's very likely that this song is just a bit of a test to see if
people respond to it and how.

we'll probably hear more in the near future. first things first
tho. either lotusflower.com will continue for another year or his
web presence will once again change into something else, which i
think is the more likely option since i can't really see him
keeping that title for his official website for too long if he's
got something new coming up.

but that's all speculation. it could go any way really. i've
been thinking that it would also be cool if he decided to put
out like, an EP every month or so, just 4 or 5 tracks that fit
together but don't constitute a full album as such. that might
give him a different format again. you know he's always trying
something new. a for track EP would be relatively quick to put
together and the focus on style and sound could thus shift a
lot quicker and more often.

however, this is still prince lol for all we know he might
surprise us with another 3cd set, one of which could be the
Shelby J debut album.

drool
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #468 posted 03/01/10 8:27am

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Brofie said:

I recall being confused by Purple And Gold at first. But then I found myself singing it and couldnt get it out of my head. I grew to love it in a a couple of weeks for some reason. I like this new song less but I wouldnt be surprised it I came to like it more. Sometimes I wonder if a musical genius will actually make something that outside the comprehension of the average person and some repeated exposure and study to required to truly "get it".

In this world of throw away music and instant gratification, we have lost the ability to consider and ponder all art to the fullest potential. This is one reason there are so few worthy complete albums today. There was a time when people had to sit down with an actual piece of vinyl and a record player and listen to a complete album; not just a collection of random music files without some artistic or conceptual framework. People read the liner notes and studied the cover art. They sat around the card table or at the backyard cookout and discussed it. There was a tangible dimension to the music. Music wasnt gulped down in large digital chunks. It was savored, revisited, studied, copied, admired - it was a lasting component of our lives that actually scored (and, there by, immortalized) the most important and vivid memories in our lives.

Today, it doesnt even have to be real art - or real music. No one cares because there is something else coming right behind what you just heard and it is disposable too. I suppose that makes true artists like Prince a dying breed. But then that has been the case for the last 20 years. That Prince is even still around and can get on the charts or get a Grammy nomination at all is more than astounding to me.

I guess I say all that to say give new music from a genius some further consideration - at least listen to it more than twice - before making a judgement. Sometimes there is still some of that thing that made people truly listen to music back in the day.
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[Edited 3/1/10 5:18am]


I really, really appreciate this post, and agree.

~G
"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #469 posted 03/01/10 8:48am

abigail05

I didn't hate the song. In some parts (guitar solos) it almost kinda rocked.

Prince is SO held back by his digitally processed guitars and weak sounding drums though. Somebody in Part 1 of this thread said it sounded like 'Can't Stop This Feeling I Got' and a light went off - he hasn't really sounded good since that song came out. 20 fucking years ago.
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Reply #470 posted 03/01/10 8:54am

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Pitchfork's review is not kind... but accurate.

http://pitchfork.com/revi...nd-effect/
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Reply #471 posted 03/01/10 9:01am

SomewhereHereO
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Dave1992 said:

And the crowd noise is real, no fake shit like people said it was.

i always thought it was real:)
Love God. Love Music. Love Life.
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Reply #472 posted 03/01/10 9:05am

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billymeade said:

Pitchfork's review is not kind... but accurate.

http://pitchfork.com/revi...nd-effect/

Spot on.
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Reply #473 posted 03/01/10 9:34am

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pitchfork is not kind but tells the truth.
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Reply #474 posted 03/01/10 9:41am

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Giovanni777 said:

Brofie said:

I recall being confused by Purple And Gold at first. But then I found myself singing it and couldnt get it out of my head. I grew to love it in a a couple of weeks for some reason. I like this new song less but I wouldnt be surprised it I came to like it more. Sometimes I wonder if a musical genius will actually make something that outside the comprehension of the average person and some repeated exposure and study to required to truly "get it".

In this world of throw away music and instant gratification, we have lost the ability to consider and ponder all art to the fullest potential. This is one reason there are so few worthy complete albums today. There was a time when people had to sit down with an actual piece of vinyl and a record player and listen to a complete album; not just a collection of random music files without some artistic or conceptual framework. People read the liner notes and studied the cover art. They sat around the card table or at the backyard cookout and discussed it. There was a tangible dimension to the music. Music wasnt gulped down in large digital chunks. It was savored, revisited, studied, copied, admired - it was a lasting component of our lives that actually scored (and, there by, immortalized) the most important and vivid memories in our lives.

Today, it doesnt even have to be real art - or real music. No one cares because there is something else coming right behind what you just heard and it is disposable too. I suppose that makes true artists like Prince a dying breed. But then that has been the case for the last 20 years. That Prince is even still around and can get on the charts or get a Grammy nomination at all is more than astounding to me.

I guess I say all that to say give new music from a genius some further consideration - at least listen to it more than twice - before making a judgement. Sometimes there is still some of that thing that made people truly listen to music back in the day.
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[Edited 3/1/10 5:18am]


I really, really appreciate this post, and agree.

~G


Yes this is very thoughtful. I'm always amazed by the people who say they listened once or twice to a Prince song then decide that its "trash". It does seem a simple of our time that we treat music as a compeletely disposable
commodity like a bag of chips. So many are willing to dismiss without even completely understanding the music or the lyrics.

There are still songs Prince has created that I am enjoying more years after I heard them for the first time. If Prince is indeed a genuis why it it that so many of his listeners refuse to give him any slack. They immediate jump to the conclusion that if they don't feel a certain piece of music it is "crap". I don't understand that need to denigrate his Art just because it doesn't hit me personally.
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Reply #475 posted 03/01/10 9:46am

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masbas said:

pitchfork is not kind but tells the truth.


Damn. Pitchfork says.

Fresh off karmically derailing the Minnesota Vikings' march to the Super Bowl with his demoralizingly bad fight song "Purple and Gold", Prince is now apparently bent on destroying independent radio as well. In all seriousness, the pop legend's decision to release his latest track, "Cause and Effect", exclusively to Minnesota Public Radio station Current 89.3 last week was undeniably an admirable one, but it doesn't change the fact that the song itself is an absolute dog.

"Cause and Effect" opens with the Purple One intoning, "I am here. Where are you?" over the cheers of an adoring crowd that's no doubt hoping Prince will forget he's written any new music since 1995. What follows is a horrendous pile-up of ham-handed musical styles and sounds, as Prince and his band cycle through generic surf-rock, dorkily stiff wah-wah funk, brightly cloying pop and overcooked arena metal. And that's just the first two and a half minutes of a five-minute song. The back half isn't just bad but also aimless-- a lengthy and limp acoustic breakdown, pointless reiterations of the song's hook, and some charmlessly dated guitar heroics tossed in at the end for good measure.

Don't be fooled by Prince's potentially tantalizing assertion that there's "Something on the tip of my tongue/ Got a taste for sin," because "Cause and Effect" is one of the least sexy things he's ever committed to tape. This is the opposite of sinuous, grooving funk, with almost every musical element sounding like it shouldn't be accompanying a song so much as a punchline, scarcely different from "Seinfeld"'s goofily popping bass. Perhaps the only truly appropriate thing Prince could've done with this farcical trainwreck would've been to dedicate it to the Timberwolves.
The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
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Reply #476 posted 03/01/10 9:48am

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NouveauDance said:

billymeade said:

Pitchfork's review is not kind... but accurate.

http://pitchfork.com/revi...nd-effect/

Spot on.



Does this person like anything that Prince has done in the last 20 years. I find this critism heavy handed. Personally I liked it and see no reason that it shouldn't do well. Of course him releasing things independently has prevented him from getting the radio time others get, but whatever. To say it's a dog is to go way overboard for a reaction from the reader.
There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin.
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Reply #477 posted 03/01/10 9:52am

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from my own exp with listening to music i like . it takes a real while to get an accurate sense of the song/songs .. mo's later something just clicks n it completely sounds cool .. im still into lotus n i havnt stop'd listnng 2 crystl ball n emanc yet & all the other jams i have .. i love that indigo nights cd that came with that book, i cant get enuf of that right now .. we can agree the man is an artist / genius n we love it, no matter what you may feel upfront, it ususally comes to a point of ya its cool ...blast that shit !
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Reply #478 posted 03/01/10 9:58am

poetcorner61

Giovanni777 said:

Brofie said:

I recall being confused by Purple And Gold at first. But then I found myself singing it and couldnt get it out of my head. I grew to love it in a a couple of weeks for some reason. I like this new song less but I wouldnt be surprised it I came to like it more. Sometimes I wonder if a musical genius will actually make something that outside the comprehension of the average person and some repeated exposure and study to required to truly "get it".

In this world of throw away music and instant gratification, we have lost the ability to consider and ponder all art to the fullest potential. This is one reason there are so few worthy complete albums today. There was a time when people had to sit down with an actual piece of vinyl and a record player and listen to a complete album; not just a collection of random music files without some artistic or conceptual framework. People read the liner notes and studied the cover art. They sat around the card table or at the backyard cookout and discussed it. There was a tangible dimension to the music. Music wasnt gulped down in large digital chunks. It was savored, revisited, studied, copied, admired - it was a lasting component of our lives that actually scored (and, there by, immortalized) the most important and vivid memories in our lives.

Today, it doesnt even have to be real art - or real music. No one cares because there is something else coming right behind what you just heard and it is disposable too. I suppose that makes true artists like Prince a dying breed. But then that has been the case for the last 20 years. That Prince is even still around and can get on the charts or get a Grammy nomination at all is more than astounding to me.

I guess I say all that to say give new music from a genius some further consideration - at least listen to it more than twice - before making a judgement. Sometimes there is still some of that thing that made people truly listen to music back in the day.
[Edited 3/1/10 5:16am]
[Edited 3/1/10 5:18am]


I really, really appreciate this post, and agree.

~G


VERY well said; you hit the nail on the head! Music is a disposable commodity in this fast-food society... But I like to sit down and have a real meal once in a while...and chew slowly... lol
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Reply #479 posted 03/01/10 10:29am

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HonestMan13 said:

Let's keep it real up in here. Not a single orger minded all of Princes religious songs (God, The Cross, eye Wish U Heaven, eye No et al.) back in the day because he also had nasty profane tracks (Erotic City, Bob George, Irresistible Bitch) to counter them. Prince has always been religious and it wasn't an issue for many on here until he stopped cursing and singing about sex on every other track so blatantly. The mild religious tone of 'Cause & Effect' is just that... MILD.

It's kind of funny looking back at the Lovesexy Tour when Prince asked us "Do U believe" how many were straight up lying when they screamed "yes".
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HOW

RIDICULOUS! falloff

People only appreciated the spiritual overtones in his music because he said curse words to counter it? PUH LEASE! lol
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