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Reply #30 posted 02/22/10 3:43am

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another point: something like 56,000 of 65,000 tickets were sold and it was oly cancelled a week before time. this was quickly made public to dispell any talk of poor ticket sales. the interest on 1 million is at least 1,000 a week. so, if the ticket company had this money for a period of time before refunding they were making interest and prince's company had half the performance fee. see what's going on? not to mention he can announce the date all over again and sell-out again!!!
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Reply #31 posted 02/22/10 4:16am

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Pretty soon Prince can study the bible with some gay friends in jail!
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Reply #32 posted 02/22/10 4:28am

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Mars23 said:

squirrelgrease said:

This could be juicy.



An early peek:

Prince:

eye no eye said yes, but eye cry when eye jet.

Morris:

What the fuck are you trying to say? I'm not going to be out 1.6 mil cause you can't type like an adult.



falloff I know it's only February, but this is a serious contender for post of the year lol
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Reply #33 posted 02/22/10 4:29am

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one of these decades people are going to learn to stop doing business with Prince.
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Reply #34 posted 02/22/10 4:55am

purplesweat

Uh, does the dude have security guards? Tame is already on her way to defend her future husband!

eek
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Reply #35 posted 02/22/10 5:58am

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i have it on good word that wolfy will get the blame for all of this

prince's statement mentions he cancelled the show because of the crap that wolfy posted on the org
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Reply #36 posted 02/22/10 5:59am

violetblues

Rebeljuice said:

violetblues said:




Just from my vast television law drama arm chair education, i will say MCD have a weak case against our purple rock star.

1. No contract, c'mon who doles out 1.5 mil with no contract to a prissy, sparkly, dove loving, purple rock star who spells out contract as "CON-tract" anyways. I would have dotted all the pupils on those eye's when dealing with someone like Prince. Its kinda like a lawsuit against an underage juvenile or special needs person.

2. The agent supposedly had no consent to contract him.

3. And most importantly, if the insurance company found a way not to reimburse them, they probably did not follow procedure to the letter, letting the insurance company squeak out of it. If there was a case, the insurance would have paid out and then gone after Prince.

I have no idea what i am talking about, but it sounds like another interesting addendum to any book by Per Nielsen
[Edited 2/21/10 19:07pm]


Well, from my expansive experience in law garnered through LA Law and John Grisham books I would beg to differ.

Prince may not have signed a contract with said company, but he did accept the gig as he himself was promoting it. Therefore I would argue that the emails between the two parties can constitute an agreement to perform. I submit items one through 24 as evidence - the emails exchanged.

Also, the insurance company has already made its statement and states that the claim will not be paid as there was no reason for cancellation contained within its terms and conditions. I submit item 25 as evidence, the on-a-whim clause contained within said insurance contract.

This may prove to be something ol' Princey boy may have to face up to. In this case it is the law of the ROI, not the USA. So it may prove harder to defend than he is used to. Especially if he is due to show up as a witness and doesnt show up. He has provided no reason for him not to show up or reschedule so it sounds like he is expected.


I dont know about the emails and how they constitute an agreement for such a large amount of money,.... I mean on my meager and measly dealings I have my lawyer look over proposal and draw up a CON-tract for all parties to sign,...heck I email clients all the time but do not start any work without a signed contract.

Carefully watch episode #34 of "Murder She Wrote" and you'll see what i mean, its all there!

You dont need to be Lionel Hutz to know this one is a slam dunk!
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Reply #37 posted 02/22/10 6:41am

txlaw

violetblues said:

Rebeljuice said:



Well, from my expansive experience in law garnered through LA Law and John Grisham books I would beg to differ.

Prince may not have signed a contract with said company, but he did accept the gig as he himself was promoting it. Therefore I would argue that the emails between the two parties can constitute an agreement to perform. I submit items one through 24 as evidence - the emails exchanged.

Also, the insurance company has already made its statement and states that the claim will not be paid as there was no reason for cancellation contained within its terms and conditions. I submit item 25 as evidence, the on-a-whim clause contained within said insurance contract.

This may prove to be something ol' Princey boy may have to face up to. In this case it is the law of the ROI, not the USA. So it may prove harder to defend than he is used to. Especially if he is due to show up as a witness and doesnt show up. He has provided no reason for him not to show up or reschedule so it sounds like he is expected.


I dont know about the emails and how they constitute an agreement for such a large amount of money,.... I mean on my meager and measly dealings I have my lawyer look over proposal and draw up a CON-tract for all parties to sign,...heck I email clients all the time but do not start any work without a signed contract.

Carefully watch episode #34 of "Murder She Wrote" and you'll see what i mean, its all there!

You dont need to be Lionel Hutz to know this one is a slam dunk!
[Edited 2/22/10 6:08am]


I find it incredulous that the aggrieved party did not insist on a written contract, especially when they were going to spend so much money. Secondly, I also find it incredulous that MCD were damaged to the tune of $1.6 million. I think that the court will find that there was a contract, verbal or implied, but the damages is another story. I would like to see all the receipts before I make a decision on that. I guarantee you this one is going to be settled.
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Reply #38 posted 02/22/10 7:42am

Tremolina

txlaw said:

violetblues said:



I dont know about the emails and how they constitute an agreement for such a large amount of money,.... I mean on my meager and measly dealings I have my lawyer look over proposal and draw up a CON-tract for all parties to sign,...heck I email clients all the time but do not start any work without a signed contract.

Carefully watch episode #34 of "Murder She Wrote" and you'll see what i mean, its all there!

You dont need to be Lionel Hutz to know this one is a slam dunk!
[Edited 2/22/10 6:08am]


I find it incredulous that the aggrieved party did not insist on a written contract, especially when they were going to spend so much money. Secondly, I also find it incredulous that MCD were damaged to the tune of $1.6 million. I think that the court will find that there was a contract, verbal or implied, but the damages is another story. I would like to see all the receipts before I make a decision on that. I guarantee you this one is going to be settled.



It is strange to say the least that they didnt have a formal contract, but when the agreement is made in the email exchange, it is in writing and will be sufficient to constitute a legally binding agreement.

The damages seem to be 1.6 million because they had 1.5 million already paid back, but had to restitute about 55.000 tickets in total, which costed them well over 1.5 million. Those numbers should of course be clear without a doubt, but from the sound of it that doesnt seem way off.

I am not so sure about a settlement. If it happens Im afraid Prince will be the one paying, judging by the information we have right now. But who knows, maybe the emails state that he didn't want to go to Dublin, maybe Morris fucked something up, or maybe he did have a good reason to cancel.
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Reply #39 posted 02/22/10 7:45am

RodeoSchro

unique said:

i have it on good word that wolfy will get the blame for all of this

prince's statement mentions he cancelled the show because of the crap that wolfy posted on the org


Man, I hope Wolfie is there. I want to hear his take on it!
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Reply #40 posted 02/22/10 8:43am

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They should put Prince in Guantamamo. lol
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Reply #41 posted 02/22/10 8:54am

violetblues

Tremolina said:

txlaw said:



I find it incredulous that the aggrieved party did not insist on a written contract, especially when they were going to spend so much money. Secondly, I also find it incredulous that MCD were damaged to the tune of $1.6 million. I think that the court will find that there was a contract, verbal or implied, but the damages is another story. I would like to see all the receipts before I make a decision on that. I guarantee you this one is going to be settled.



It is strange to say the least that they didnt have a formal contract, but when the agreement is made in the email exchange, it is in writing and will be sufficient to constitute a legally binding agreement.

The damages seem to be 1.6 million because they had 1.5 million already paid back, but had to restitute about 55.000 tickets in total, which costed them well over 1.5 million. Those numbers should of course be clear without a doubt, but from the sound of it that doesnt seem way off.

I am not so sure about a settlement. If it happens Im afraid Prince will be the one paying, judging by the information we have right now. But who knows, maybe the emails state that he didn't want to go to Dublin, maybe Morris fucked something up, or maybe he did have a good reason to cancel.


YIKES!
Ive been emailing and texting promising girls the world, had no idea those were legal binding contracts.
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Reply #42 posted 02/22/10 8:54am

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txlaw said:



I find it incredulous that the aggrieved party did not insist on a written contract, especially when they were going to spend so much money. Secondly, I also find it incredulous that MCD were damaged to the tune of $1.6 million. I think that the court will find that there was a contract, verbal or implied, but the damages is another story. I would like to see all the receipts before I make a decision on that. I guarantee you this one is going to be settled.


a contract doesn't have to be in writing to be binding, but if helps to avoid legal disputes like this

as for costs of $1.6m, it's a lot, but think of venue hire, stage and pa hire and costs, advertising in press, radio and tv, hotels booked for band and staff, etc etc. most of these things won't be refunded, especially not at such a late stage. the venue costs (remember you have licenses and all sorts of stuff) will be considerable, and they won't be refunded. that's why companies have insurance to cover these things, but they have clauses to avoid paying out if someone changes their mind
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Reply #43 posted 02/22/10 8:59am

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squirrelgrease said:

This could be juicy.

The case could hinge on the contents of a series of email exchanges between Prince and Goldring, and Goldring and Denis Desmond, a director of MCD. The publication of the reclusive musician’s emails will allow fans an opportunity to hear what it sounds like when a pop star cries off.


But I wonder if it was really Prince writing the emails; or one of his PA's?
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #44 posted 02/22/10 9:14am

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jone70 said:

squirrelgrease said:

This could be juicy.



But I wonder if it was really Prince writing the emails; or one of his PA's?


Bingo
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Reply #45 posted 02/22/10 9:51am

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purplesweat said:

Uh, does the dude have security guards? Tame is already on her way to defend her future husband!

eek


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Reply #46 posted 02/22/10 9:52am

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Gav said:

jone70 said:



But I wonder if it was really Prince writing the emails; or one of his PA's?


Bingo


That sucks for the PA.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #47 posted 02/22/10 10:03am

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sorry haters.... but MCD have no chance of getting any of Prince's money...

MCD has admitted it had no formal written contract with the artist but claims the deal was agreed through an “unambiguous email” from Goldring.

The Times added this to the story so they would not get sued!

lol lol lol
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Reply #48 posted 02/22/10 10:24am

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A story that screams:

"There is FUCK ALL in the way of Prince news just now"
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Reply #49 posted 02/22/10 10:27am

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violetblues said:

Tremolina said:




It is strange to say the least that they didnt have a formal contract, but when the agreement is made in the email exchange, it is in writing and will be sufficient to constitute a legally binding agreement.

The damages seem to be 1.6 million because they had 1.5 million already paid back, but had to restitute about 55.000 tickets in total, which costed them well over 1.5 million. Those numbers should of course be clear without a doubt, but from the sound of it that doesnt seem way off.

I am not so sure about a settlement. If it happens Im afraid Prince will be the one paying, judging by the information we have right now. But who knows, maybe the emails state that he didn't want to go to Dublin, maybe Morris fucked something up, or maybe he did have a good reason to cancel.


YIKES!
Ive been emailing and texting promising girls the world, had no idea those were legal binding contracts.



U better be sending some new emails.... I know I am... right now! lol
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Reply #50 posted 02/22/10 11:07am

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Gav said:

jone70 said:



But I wonder if it was really Prince writing the emails; or one of his PA's?


Bingo


Double Bingo.

It is likely someone who communicates these matters 4 Prince.

Typically, it's a manager or agent. In Prince's case, it could be Morris Hayes, as he handles a lot of Prince's affairs. Who knows.
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Reply #51 posted 02/22/10 11:48am

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Hmmmm, maybe I'll head on down to the four courts ... naaah
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Reply #52 posted 02/22/10 12:11pm

Tremolina

violetblues said:

Tremolina said:




It is strange to say the least that they didnt have a formal contract, but when the agreement is made in the email exchange, it is in writing and will be sufficient to constitute a legally binding agreement.

The damages seem to be 1.6 million because they had 1.5 million already paid back, but had to restitute about 55.000 tickets in total, which costed them well over 1.5 million. Those numbers should of course be clear without a doubt, but from the sound of it that doesnt seem way off.

I am not so sure about a settlement. If it happens Im afraid Prince will be the one paying, judging by the information we have right now. But who knows, maybe the emails state that he didn't want to go to Dublin, maybe Morris fucked something up, or maybe he did have a good reason to cancel.


YIKES!
Ive been emailing and texting promising girls the world, had no idea those were legal binding contracts.


There is a lot of stuff legally binding people never stop to realise, so yeah, you better watch out what you promise. If you can't live up to it, best not to to put it in writing.
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Reply #53 posted 02/22/10 12:38pm

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Tremolina said:

violetblues said:



YIKES!
Ive been emailing and texting promising girls the world, had no idea those were legal binding contracts.


There is a lot of stuff legally binding people never stop to realise, so yeah, you better watch out what you promise. If you can't live up to it, best not to to put it in writing.


Just because something is written in an email does not automatically make it legally binding. It depends on what was written and the context.
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #54 posted 02/22/10 1:25pm

Tremolina

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Tremolina said:



There is a lot of stuff legally binding people never stop to realise, so yeah, you better watch out what you promise. If you can't live up to it, best not to to put it in writing.


Just because something is written in an email does not automatically make it legally binding. It depends on what was written and the context.


But that is not what I said. An agreement doesn't have to be in writing is what I said. When it is in writing you have proof. The writing doesn't have to be a formal contract.
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Reply #55 posted 02/22/10 1:47pm

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Either way...It's just another day... to hang in there. I..
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Reply #56 posted 02/22/10 1:50pm

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Whether he was right or wrong, if he would turn up next week and perform for some invited orgers, including me, I would forgive him lol
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Reply #57 posted 02/22/10 1:56pm

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Prince must be banking CRAZY MONEY! And THAT was just ONE GIG! faint No wonder his ass just be sashaying around, in his little coordinated outfits, like he ain't got shit ta do, lol.
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Reply #58 posted 02/22/10 2:23pm

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Tremolina said:

jone70 said:



Just because something is written in an email does not automatically make it legally binding. It depends on what was written and the context.


But that is not what I said. An agreement doesn't have to be in writing is what I said. When it is in writing you have proof. The writing doesn't have to be a formal contract.


And what I said was that just because something is in writing doesn't mean it's proof of a legally binding agreement (or contract). Conversely, oral "agreements" are harder to enforce than written ones. So get whatever you want in writing, but realize that it depends on how and what is written not just that fact that something was written.

Example: I can write that you must pay me $1 million US if you respond to this post or $2 million if you ignore me. It's in writing -- does that mean it's legally enforceable? Probably not. See what I mean?
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #59 posted 02/22/10 2:32pm

Tremolina

jone70 said:

Tremolina said:



But that is not what I said. An agreement doesn't have to be in writing is what I said. When it is in writing you have proof. The writing doesn't have to be a formal contract.


And what I said was that just because something is in writing doesn't mean it's proof of a legally binding agreement (or contract). Conversely, oral "agreements" are harder to enforce than written ones. So get whatever you want in writing, but realize that it depends on how and what is written not just that fact that something was written.

Example: I can write that you must pay me $1 million US if you respond to this post or $2 million if you ignore me. It's in writing -- does that mean it's legally enforceable? Probably not. See what I mean?



Of course it depends on what is written and more. Like I also said: "who knows, maybe the emails state that he didn't want to go to Dublin, maybe Morris fucked something up, or maybe he did have a good reason to cancel."
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