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PrintableGiovanni777 said: 'Lotusflow3r' is a fantastic album... the songs, the flow, the instruments, the recording, the voice. Stands next 2 any Prince album, easily.
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BartVanHemelen said: tricky99 said: The biggest problem Prince has is not his current musical output. Prince is a progressive artist. Meaning he is always looking for new avenue of expression in his music. That includes incorporating the musical past and well as keeping an ear on contemporary music. He is not particularly interested in creating another 1999 or Purple Rain, however a large portion of his fans cannot move forward with him.
If you’re a fan that is still listening to LoveSexy or ATWIAD or a regular basis you can’t help to be anchored in the past. Those albums were the creation of a young genius just learning the ropes. What we have now is a mature genius who knows more about music composition then he knew back then. He’s moved from being experimental to being a craftsmen. If you are disappointed with Lotusflower it has more to do with unrealistic expectations then it does with the music. Who in the musical universe could have created that 3 disc collection other than Prince? Just answer me one question: if his recent music is so great, how come HE AIN'T PERFORMING IT. FACT: during his recent Paris & Monaco gigs, the average age of the songs he played was 20+ years. So prince is playing MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS OLD SONGS. Who is stuck in the past?  | |
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daPrettyman said: "Chocolate Box" = a rich 50+ year old musician relaxing and doing his own thing.
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Riverpoet31 said: Well, to me its an album full with mostly mediocre songwriting, on which he seems to use his 'sophisticated' guitar-work and pointless TRC-lite instrumentation to hide there is no substance underneath.
Lotusflower will be forgotten 5 years from now on, it will be not be labeled as some artistic revival (which it isnt of course), its just one of the other Prince albums in a long row showing him underachieving. I sometimetimes get the idea that people here 'wanting' Prince to be 'relevant' praise albums like The Rainbow Children and Lotusflower in a blind haze. Those albums simply dont deserve it, they are miles away from the qualities of a 1999 or Sign of the Times. And with a mediocre Lotusflower you get a pisspoor MPLsound, which has actually nothing to do with the qualities of the original Minneapolis sound. Any album for Prince is an achievement. Any album for anyone is an achievement. Who are you to judge who is underachieving & who isn't? Sorry if I'm coming across as nasty but some people here really are being silly... & "pointless instrumentaion"? hell, ALL music is essentially pointless instrumentation really 
I mean, some people here are just being unreasonable. Prince's music aside, can you think of ANY artists who's later albums are better than the first albums? There may be some who's 5th album is better than their 2nd album.... but can you name any solo artist or band in the history of the world who's last 22 albums are better than the first 10 albums? Seriously, no one man can single handedly write a 32n'd album that can compete with the experimentation & originality of their first 10 albums... it's just not going to happen... 32 official albums, hundreds of out-takes & b-sides, countless bootlegs of live perfomances, DVD's, remixes, the vault... more music than anyone would ever want or need... & people are still not satisfied? I just don't understand why people can't be greatful for what Prince has given them already! The guy is 51 years old & has been maintaining a heavy & toiling music schedual for a long, long, time... does he not deserve a break? Why shouldn't he write simple songs, he plays it safe because he's took risks & he doesn't need to anymore. When someone is young & on the road to sucess, their life is filled with excitement. This means exciting music. When someone is 51 & chilling out, relaxing, you get "underacheiving" music. I am greatful for every song Prince has released, because he took the time to write it for me as a fan. Of course I don't like a whole lot of them, but i'm still greatful. People have taken Prince's large output for granted & have adopted a very greedy attitude towards his music. Just think, if Prince was to die tommorow (knock on wood), I think people would be singing a whole different tune about his latest albums. When, every year, they find themselves thinking "I wonder what Prince's next album will be like" only to realise that there won't be anymore, they will change their mind & truely be greatful for what he has given them. He has devoted his entire life to his music & deserves respect for it! Damn i'm ranting again, this is why I need to stay off forums! Someone take the laptop away!  lol[Edited 2/4/10 16:48pm] | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Just answer me one question: if his recent music is so great, how come HE AIN'T PERFORMING IT. FACT: during his recent Paris & Monaco gigs, the average age of the songs he played was 20+ years. So prince is playing MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS OLD SONGS. Who is stuck in the past? Prince is the only classic artist who's fanbase bitches and complains when he doesn't play new material. Do you think Rolling Stone's fans care whether or not they play My Sweet Neo Con??? You're being completely disingenuous when you say he doesnt care about his new material because he's not performing it. He hasn't performed every song from an album since the Purple Rain Tour, and that was the only time he did it. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: BartVanHemelen said: Just answer me one question: if his recent music is so great, how come HE AIN'T PERFORMING IT. FACT: during his recent Paris & Monaco gigs, the average age of the songs he played was 20+ years. So prince is playing MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS OLD SONGS. Who is stuck in the past? Prince is the only classic artist who's fanbase bitches and complains when he doesn't play new material. Do you think Rolling Stone's fans care whether or not they play My Sweet Neo Con??? You're being completely disingenuous when you say he doesnt care about his new material because he's not performing it. He hasn't performed every song from an album since the Purple Rain Tour, and that was the only time he did it. Not a whole lot in the way of logic here. You don't see the huge difference between playing all of an album and playing one or two tracks, once or twice? On each of the the SOTT, Lovesexy and Act 1 tours Prince devoted big chunks of the setlist to his most recent album. Even the ONA tour featured several songs from the Rainbow Children every single night. The reason? That material was strong enough to support a show. Today's best stuff? Not so much. That's why, for a long time now, a new song's chance of being played live is slim at best, and even then, it'll only be once or twice. There are plenty of legacy artists that still play new material live, and maybe some of their fans get bored, but the fact that they play it anyway shows more commitment to new music than Prince shows to his. [Edited 2/4/10 17:21pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: Just as it is believed that some of us live in the past and need to move on, I would suggest the same for you. You have been saying the same stuff on here for at least the last seven years. We get it. You who dig all the newer stuff are better fans than us. To keep rambling about the same crap is the definition of insanity. You don't think that every single thing Prince does is great and since Prince is God, you need to change your evil ways. If you don't, you'll never be granted a place in Purple Heaven. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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skywalker said: Agree with this point. However, MOST PRINCE FANS are judging Prince against his past and their own past and personal favorites. That is the catch 22. Everyone wants something different from Prince. "Classic Prince" is something different to everyone. In the age of the internet, how will anyone ever agree on his new material? They won't. Live and let enjoy. If "Dance 4 Me" is my favorite Prince song of all time, pat me on the back and envy my enjoyment. No need to criticize my taste or judge me because of it. [Edited 2/4/10 11:13am] Great post! 10 years ago on PRINCE.ORG people dogged GOLD like many are dogging Lotusflow3r. 20 years ago LOVESEXY and ATWIAD were hated. Best thing to do is let the music age like wine. |
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TwiliteKid said: Paris9748430 said: Prince is the only classic artist who's fanbase bitches and complains when he doesn't play new material. Do you think Rolling Stone's fans care whether or not they play My Sweet Neo Con??? You're being completely disingenuous when you say he doesnt care about his new material because he's not performing it. He hasn't performed every song from an album since the Purple Rain Tour, and that was the only time he did it. Not a whole lot in the way of logic here. You don't see the huge difference between playing all of an album and playing one or two tracks, once or twice? On each of the the SOTT, Lovesexy and Act 1 tours Prince devoted big chunks of the setlist to his most recent album. Even the ONA tour featured several songs from the Rainbow Children every single night. The reason? That material was strong enough to support a show. Today's best stuff? Not so much. That's why, for a long time now, a new song's chance of being played live is slim at best, and even then, it'll only be once or twice. There are plenty of legacy artists that still play new material live, and maybe some of their fans get bored, but the fact that they play it anyway shows more commitment to new music than Prince shows to his. [Edited 2/4/10 17:21pm] Just because he doesn't play a large chunk of the new stuff in concert, doesn't mean he's disinterested in the material. He played quite a bit of Planet Earth during his stint in London. Does that mean that he liked the material on that album more than he did 3121??? If Prince toured last year, he would've played quite a bit from Lotusflow3r and Mplsound. But he only played a few shows here and there. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: TwiliteKid said: Not a whole lot in the way of logic here. You don't see the huge difference between playing all of an album and playing one or two tracks, once or twice? On each of the the SOTT, Lovesexy and Act 1 tours Prince devoted big chunks of the setlist to his most recent album. Even the ONA tour featured several songs from the Rainbow Children every single night. The reason? That material was strong enough to support a show. Today's best stuff? Not so much. That's why, for a long time now, a new song's chance of being played live is slim at best, and even then, it'll only be once or twice. There are plenty of legacy artists that still play new material live, and maybe some of their fans get bored, but the fact that they play it anyway shows more commitment to new music than Prince shows to his. [Edited 2/4/10 17:21pm] Just because he doesn't play a large chunk of the new stuff in concert, doesn't mean he's disinterested in the material. He played quite a bit of Planet Earth during his stint in London. Does that mean that he liked the material on that album more than he did 3121??? If Prince toured last year, he would've played quite a bit from Lotusflow3r and Mplsound. But he only played a few shows here and there. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me (I'm sure someone can find them), but no, that's not true. Four or five of the tracks from Planet Earth got played a handful of times each. Only "Guitar" received regular airing. He may not have offically toured last year, but I think it's telling that he played 13 or 14 shows, yet none of the new stuff has been played anywhere close to 13 times. Did any of them even break double digits? So, since 2004, one song has been worth playing regularily. That's not very impressive, nor does it speak to a man who's interested in playing his new material live. | |
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Paris9748430 said: BartVanHemelen said: Just answer me one question: if his recent music is so great, how come HE AIN'T PERFORMING IT. FACT: during his recent Paris & Monaco gigs, the average age of the songs he played was 20+ years. So prince is playing MORE THAN TWENTY YEARS OLD SONGS. Who is stuck in the past? Prince is the only classic artist who's fanbase bitches and complains when he doesn't play new material. Do you think Rolling Stone's fans care whether or not they play My Sweet Neo Con??? You're being completely disingenuous when you say he doesnt care about his new material because he's not performing it. He hasn't performed every song from an album since the Purple Rain Tour, and that was the only time he did it. Didn't he perform every song from Parade + Bsides? on the Parade tour He performed almost every song from SOTT:Adore might have been the only not performed on the SOTT tour and maybe StarFish & Coffee & Lovesexy as well | |
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TheScouser said: thedance said: Prince is simply not taken that serious anymore by the mainstream - and I think most fans agrees to the "fact" that Prince hasn't released a brilliant album in a very very looong time. 
Prince isn't taken seriously by the mainstream because he isn't young. No 51 year old, no matter how good they are, will never be in the mainstream! The music market is essentially catered for younger generations. Radio, TV & music magazines are mainly aimed at the younger audiences. Very few young people want to listen to the same music as their parents, therefore Prince & any other artist his age can never be in the mainstream because the older you get, the less you sell! "A brilliant album" - how can you define brilliant? I think all of Prince's albums are brilliant personally 
Many many many songs I dislike, mind you, but they're still brilliant. He may not have released a "brilliant album" in Prince standards for a while, because he's on a whole other plain than most. But when you compare it to the majority of what is out there these days, even your least favourite Prince album will seem brilliant! "my only competition is, well, me in the past" some truth 2 that I still remember in most of the 80's the Awards shows had everyone from Janet to Diana Ross, Tina Turner Prince Michael rock bands crooners most were 25 and up, now it seems everyone is 25 and under | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Really? How are the "good" songs in short supply? List all those "bad" songs from his last offering. And because its not the greatest song he has ever written surely doesn't make it a "bad" song. I hear shit on the radio every day that comes no where near what prince offers on his most predestrian of songs.
But why do you limit yourself to (IMO) shit on the radio: like The Black Eyed Peas, Pink, Lil Wayne and Lady Ga Ga? Like what is played on mainstream radio is representative for the state of music these days. There are numerous of great artists who arent backed by a big promotion budget and million-dollar video's who are actually far better then the 'things' you find in the charts. It a business, you know... But hey, when it comes to Prince i am a bit more critical then you: Most Black Eyed Peas songs are allready bad, but when he tries to copy them on a song like Chocolate Box, it really gets cringeworthy. Lady Ga Ga is mainstream? | |
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TheScouser said: many fans associate Prince's 80's albums with good memories from when they were young & free, therefore NOTHING Prince releases afterwards will even come close to their standards because those songs hold so many great memories for them, they have sentimental value that new songs don't have
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OldFriends4Sale said: Riverpoet31 said: But why do you limit yourself to (IMO) shit on the radio: like The Black Eyed Peas, Pink, Lil Wayne and Lady Ga Ga? Like what is played on mainstream radio is representative for the state of music these days. There are numerous of great artists who arent backed by a big promotion budget and million-dollar video's who are actually far better then the 'things' you find in the charts. It a business, you know... But hey, when it comes to Prince i am a bit more critical then you: Most Black Eyed Peas songs are allready bad, but when he tries to copy them on a song like Chocolate Box, it really gets cringeworthy. Lady Ga Ga is mainstream? More or less. "New Power slide...." |
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Well I feel like I'm a fan of all of it. My 1st cd of Prince was TGE & I was hooked... I feel Lotus & MPLS & 3121 compete well w/ TGE, D&P, ATWIAD even some of PR & 1999. I don't think comparing albums is always a bad thing but then again it has its limits. But you can't deny the sounds sounding similar, it's ok to have inspiration but over recycling has its downside-dribble...
His earliest work is still growing on me. I've recently come across a gold mine of early work that I've never heard of before, so I feel like I'm listening to all new Prince, b/c it is to me 
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 all the way around to the OP, skywalker and a few others. The constant death grip that so many here have on 1980's Prince is so offputting and annoying. You all summed up P's dilemma with these "fans" perfectly.  perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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TheScouser said: Prince isn't taken seriously by the mainstream because he isn't young. No 51 year old, no matter how good they are, will never be in the mainstream! The music market is essentially catered for younger generations. Radio, TV & music magazines are mainly aimed at the younger audiences. Very few young people want to listen to the same music as their parents, therefore Prince & any other artist his age can never be in the mainstream because the older you get, the less you sell! Prince knows this since he's expressed it in interviews and lyrics, yet continues to chase chart trends and release horrible knock-off stuff like 'Chocolate Box'. I think a lot of people (fans or casual listeners) are hearing this kind of output and thinking "This guy is SO talented, why the hell is he trying to copy some this shit in the charts?.. Gotta be for money or he misses that limelight" And of course, it's up to him what he wants to put out, but it just shows a complete lack of inspiration, like he just looks at Billboard and loads similar synth samples up and does an imitation. And he's not even in touch with these trends because he's always 3 steps behind the crest of the wave. He could take what he's got in any direction, and THIS is where he chooses to take it?  | |
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vainandy said: You don't think that every single thing Prince does is great and since Prince is God, you need to change your evil ways. If you don't, you'll never be granted a place in Purple Heaven. I agree with you two on this one. Tricky, I know you have a real problem with folks who criticize Prince's post 1988 output as being less than stellar, but why do you seem to take it so personally? I know some folks come on here and absolutely bash Prince's most recent output, which I agree doesn't make much sense. But there still many others who critique his more recent output in a very respectful way. I happen to be in this camp as well. Clearly if I'm a member of this community, I'm a big Prince fan. But I am of the mind that many of his recent albums are a bit lacking in the creative department. While some folks have not adjusted their expectations and seem to take it personally when they are disappointed by a Prince album, others continue to hope for the master's return, (I am of the latter camp, but still find some songs enjoyable). Some, like yourself, clearly think the master has never left. And that's great. If you think Prince's recent output is on par with the genius albums of the 80's, then that's fantastic. I don't think anyone in this community would begrudge you for liking a particular flavor of music. And those that would, don't really need to have their opinion heard any way. But just the same, why do you seem to take it so personally when anyone criticizes Prince's music? No one is perfect. No child hasn't made a mistake worthy of a parent's reprimand. No worker has never made a mistake worthy of a boss' guidance. Is Prince really infallible? Is he not capable of releasing material that is not up to the standard some have come to expect? Is Prince a victim of his own genius in this regard? Of course. But HE set the standard. HE set the bar this high. So if to some of us he has not reached anywhere near that standard for a considerable period of time, it doesn't mean we still don't think of him as a musical genius, it just means we believe he needs to focus on the craft of writing creative material again. While I understand you clearly don't feel that way, I hope you see there is a place for a healthy degree of critique for one's work. Be well. | |
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bellanoche said: all the way around to the OP, skywalker and a few others. The constant death grip that so many here have on 1980's Prince is so offputting and annoying. You all summed up P's dilemma with these "fans" perfectly. Yes. How dare they have opinions and taste?! We all know real fans should love any old shite that's spoon fed to them by a bored, no longer challenged musician... I keep saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions, positive or negative but I am seriously getting pissed off with people making out that I'm WRONG because our opinions differ. If you love his new stuff, good for you. But don't look down on those who aren't as keen. Erik blah blah blah |
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Fenwick said: vainandy said: You don't think that every single thing Prince does is great and since Prince is God, you need to change your evil ways. If you don't, you'll never be granted a place in Purple Heaven. I agree with you two on this one. Tricky, I know you have a real problem with folks who criticize Prince's post 1988 output as being less than stellar, but why do you seem to take it so personally? I know some folks come on here and absolutely bash Prince's most recent output, which I agree doesn't make much sense. But there still many others who critique his more recent output in a very respectful way. I happen to be in this camp as well. Clearly if I'm a member of this community, I'm a big Prince fan. But I am of the mind that many of his recent albums are a bit lacking in the creative department. While some folks have not adjusted their expectations and seem to take it personally when they are disappointed by a Prince album, others continue to hope for the master's return, (I am of the latter camp, but still find some songs enjoyable). Some, like yourself, clearly think the master has never left. And that's great. If you think Prince's recent output is on par with the genius albums of the 80's, then that's fantastic. I don't think anyone in this community would begrudge you for liking a particular flavor of music. And those that would, don't really need to have their opinion heard any way. But just the same, why do you seem to take it so personally when anyone criticizes Prince's music? No one is perfect. No child hasn't made a mistake worthy of a parent's reprimand. No worker has never made a mistake worthy of a boss' guidance. Is Prince really infallible? Is he not capable of releasing material that is not up to the standard some have come to expect? Is Prince a victim of his own genius in this regard? Of course. But HE set the standard. HE set the bar this high. So if to some of us he has not reached anywhere near that standard for a considerable period of time, it doesn't mean we still don't think of him as a musical genius, it just means we believe he needs to focus on the craft of writing creative material again. While I understand you clearly don't feel that way, I hope you see there is a place for a healthy degree of critique for one's work. Be well. Well balanced thoughts, I applaud u on this one it's funny, I enjoyed his latest album, what I critiqued was the package, but there could be reasons why there were no lyrics, no credits etc etc, I don't care for the artwork, but that still not a big deal. And like u've stated, Prince did set the bar pretty high, not me, He invited me 2 Uptown and Erotic City & Paisley Park, and I'm still looking for 3121 | |
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NouveauDance said: TheScouser said: Prince isn't taken seriously by the mainstream because he isn't young. No 51 year old, no matter how good they are, will never be in the mainstream! The music market is essentially catered for younger generations. Radio, TV & music magazines are mainly aimed at the younger audiences. Very few young people want to listen to the same music as their parents, therefore Prince & any other artist his age can never be in the mainstream because the older you get, the less you sell! Prince knows this since he's expressed it in interviews and lyrics, yet continues to chase chart trends and release horrible knock-off stuff like 'Chocolate Box'. I think a lot of people (fans or casual listeners) are hearing this kind of output and thinking "This guy is SO talented, why the hell is he trying to copy some this shit in the charts?.. Gotta be for money or he misses that limelight" And of course, it's up to him what he wants to put out, but it just shows a complete lack of inspiration, like he just looks at Billboard and loads similar synth samples up and does an imitation. And he's not even in touch with these trends because he's always 3 steps behind the crest of the wave. He could take what he's got in any direction, and THIS is where he chooses to take it? & 2 add 2 that, a lot of his music from Purple - Lovesexy putting emph on Around the World in a Day Parade & the music of Dream Factory was very 'mature' music, very adult, the sound and the lyrics were very non commercial. That's why I trip off of some fans who bash people who really dig the 80's music and will tear up a song like Condition of the Heart and say the intro was too long or distracting. (all fans of his 80's music weren't even alive in the 80's) | |
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Fenwick said: vainandy said: You don't think that every single thing Prince does is great and since Prince is God, you need to change your evil ways. If you don't, you'll never be granted a place in Purple Heaven. I agree with you two on this one. Tricky, I know you have a real problem with folks who criticize Prince's post 1988 output as being less than stellar, but why do you seem to take it so personally? I know some folks come on here and absolutely bash Prince's most recent output, which I agree doesn't make much sense. But there still many others who critique his more recent output in a very respectful way. I happen to be in this camp as well. Clearly if I'm a member of this community, I'm a big Prince fan. But I am of the mind that many of his recent albums are a bit lacking in the creative department. While some folks have not adjusted their expectations and seem to take it personally when they are disappointed by a Prince album, others continue to hope for the master's return, (I am of the latter camp, but still find some songs enjoyable). Some, like yourself, clearly think the master has never left. And that's great. If you think Prince's recent output is on par with the genius albums of the 80's, then that's fantastic. I don't think anyone in this community would begrudge you for liking a particular flavor of music. And those that would, don't really need to have their opinion heard any way. But just the same, why do you seem to take it so personally when anyone criticizes Prince's music? No one is perfect. No child hasn't made a mistake worthy of a parent's reprimand. No worker has never made a mistake worthy of a boss' guidance. Is Prince really infallible? Is he not capable of releasing material that is not up to the standard some have come to expect? Is Prince a victim of his own genius in this regard? Of course. But HE set the standard. HE set the bar this high. So if to some of us he has not reached anywhere near that standard for a considerable period of time, it doesn't mean we still don't think of him as a musical genius, it just means we believe he needs to focus on the craft of writing creative material again. While I understand you clearly don't feel that way, I hope you see there is a place for a healthy degree of critique for one's work. Be well. Hmm… I don’t know that I take it personally. It’s not like I lose sleep worrying about the org. I just think it’s a shame to come on to a site dedicated to an artist who’s fans appear would have been happy if he had died in 1988 or so. So many here seem so unforgiving that Prince has aged and can’t live up to their individual musical fantasies. They are negatively obsessed with him. Just like the majority I feel like the most innovative and fresh music of Prince’s career lies behind him. That is common sense and the way the world works. When a person is young everything is new and u experiment because u don’t know anything. Prince is heading for 52 and has tilled a hell of a lot of ground. For people to be clamoring for him to return to some mythical point in time is completely delusional. Prince is making exactly the music he wants to make at this time. I’m sure he is not setting out to make music that u don’t like. He can only make the music that he is capable of making and excited about in this MOMENT. Not 1978 or 1988 or 1998 but right now in 2010. If u can no longer appreciate the talent, heart, and soul that Prince is offering to u then u are better off walking away then to continue to defame him. Cause trust me those songs represent the state of that man’s soul. If u can listen to “Dreamer” or “Better with time” or “Ole school company” and not get anything from them but distain for the creator of said works then u fell of the purple bandwagon and now just serve as the heckler at the show. For me and some others on this site we feel we have been given the opportunity to watch a creative genius in the mode of Duke or Miles or Louis follow their muse from a youth to (hopefully) and old age. That is a rare gift. To many are focused on the past (and its greatness) and are missing the beauty that is happening in this heartbeat. It’s a shame. [Edited 2/5/10 5:46am] | |
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And Org threads that call '80s-loving Prince fans antiquated are pretty dusty, too. Pot, meet kettle... | |
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NouveauDance said: TheScouser said: Prince isn't taken seriously by the mainstream because he isn't young. No 51 year old, no matter how good they are, will never be in the mainstream! The music market is essentially catered for younger generations. Radio, TV & music magazines are mainly aimed at the younger audiences. Very few young people want to listen to the same music as their parents, therefore Prince & any other artist his age can never be in the mainstream because the older you get, the less you sell! Prince knows this since he's expressed it in interviews and lyrics, yet continues to chase chart trends and release horrible knock-off stuff like 'Chocolate Box'. I think a lot of people (fans or casual listeners) are hearing this kind of output and thinking "This guy is SO talented, why the hell is he trying to copy some this shit in the charts?.. Gotta be for money or he misses that limelight" And of course, it's up to him what he wants to put out, but it just shows a complete lack of inspiration, like he just looks at Billboard and loads similar synth samples up and does an imitation. And he's not even in touch with these trends because he's always 3 steps behind the crest of the wave. He could take what he's got in any direction, and THIS is where he chooses to take it? I would argue that Prince has always had his finger into current trends in pop music...he then incorporates it into his own sound. A strong case could be made that he has done this since 1978. To me, songs like Chocolate Box are a lot more Prince than they are him biting trends. Certainly compared to the trends grabbing he was doing in say, 1991. Lastly, how can Prince be copying new artists when they are jacking his sound in the 1st place? "New Power slide...." |
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erik319 said: bellanoche said: all the way around to the OP, skywalker and a few others. The constant death grip that so many here have on 1980's Prince is so offputting and annoying. You all summed up P's dilemma with these "fans" perfectly. Yes. How dare they have opinions and taste?! We all know real fans should love any old shite that's spoon fed to them by a bored, no longer challenged musician... I keep saying that everyone is entitled to their opinions, positive or negative but I am seriously getting pissed off with people making out that I'm WRONG because our opinions differ. If you love his new stuff, good for you. But don't look down on those who aren't as keen. Erik Conversely, if I love 3121 more than Lovesexy will my opinion will be respected and accepted around here? Maybe. More than likely I'd get a bunch of music snobs and elitists looking down their noses. That's life on the internet man. "New Power slide...." |
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So many here seem so unforgiving that Prince has aged and can’t live up to their individual musical fantasies.
Agreed. Ultimately the Prince then vs. now argument has nothing to do with Prince. Like it or not, the guy who made Purple Rain is the same guy who made Lotusflow3r. Championing Parade and bashing Musicology doesn't make 1986 any better and vice versa. It's all part of the same purple pie. You don't like the crust, don't eat it...no need to tell me I am wrong or a fool if I do. When you argue Prince then vs. now, you are really arguing/dismissing/supporting time. I suspect it's more about life then vs. life now. What I don't get, is why people can't have their cake and eat it too. You like Prince best from 1978 to 1988? Great. That era will never be taken away from you. The fact that someone likes a different era better need not be a threat to your ideas of Prince greatness. There is no right or wrong when it comes to appreciation of art. Just mass thinking, individualism, and all the snobbiness in between. "New Power slide...." |
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