Oh gosh, another MJ-'fan' trying to keep the image of Michael, the semi-god in his or her mind... sigh

The whole 'king of pop' thing, those huge sculptures, a thing like the 'Earth song video' (all messianistic posure, without any sense of Irony, like Prince at least uses)....

If someone had a big EGO in pop-music it was MJ.

Just because MJ did talk with his fans, doesnt mean he didnt have an EGO. In fact, it ruined his career probably.
He was so obsessed with bettering the sales of Thriller, that the took years and years to come up with contrived follow ups, while other musicians (including Prince) just kept doing what they like to do most: creating music.

MJ was so obsessed with his succes and his image, everything had to bigger, more spectacular, that he lost sight of what its really about. One big ego killing his career and himself.

Riverpoet31 said:

That wasn't the question. This blasting of MJ is disgusting and unnecessary. Let the man RIP, Please. enough already

Angelic1302 said:

3121 said:

"I walk like this cuz I can back it up
I got a big ego, such a huge ego..."

Okay, i'll stop!

You have never heard Prince bragging with a big mouth like that big mouth Kanye!

kenlacam said:

Okay Prince has a big ego and MJ had one ...I don't care they have alot to back it up .. Kanye West is just a joke

I don't feel any need to spare MJ.

He has been dead for weeks now, you followers of Saint Michael have had your time to grieve about your superficial Pop-puppet.

MJ was a big ego-freak, an insecure one with many personal issues, that was known years and years before he died, and it is known weeks after he died.

kenlacam said:

Nope, you would have to have real talent to have an ego...Prince has "real" talent on the other hand.....Kanye has, has .....

This thread is not about Michael Jackson at all, but:

Riverpoet31 said:

By raising his arms up during the chorus, dropping to his knees, and later holding two trees during the storm in "Earth Song," Michael was posing in a "Messianic" way, as in trying to look like Jesus Christ, correct? Oh really. Then what was this:





So let me guess, lol. While you think the "Earth Song" video is a disreputable example of "a big ego," the "irony" you find acceptable in this "Messianic" scene by Prince is what:

1) The fact that Prince's hair was groomed prettier than the popular images of Jesus Christ?
2) Christ is drawn wearing masculine robes instead of an effeminate off-the-shoulder blouse?
3) Or is it that Prince was carried in the figure of a Cross by people, instead of being bound to wood?

You're really reaching by even mentioning "Earth Song," lol. Seriously, what is worse about MJ's video than this obvious "Christ-imitation" scene in Graffiti Bridge? My answer = Nothing. Comicality aside though: Just like I know the meaning of the imagery in "Earth Song," I'm aware that Prince was trying to display a message of harmony at the end of GB, with his spiritual song and the obvious look of Jesus Christ he portrayed. But since you mentioned "messianistic posure" and find Michael's image in his video to be wrong or bad for whatever reason, what exactly is any better about Prince's scene from which those snapshots above were taken?

Riverpoet31 said:

Regarding the music, you may think that Michael's concentration on album promotion is more egocentric than Prince rarely ever speaking to or being cordial to his supporters in public, but I believe many people outside of this forum would disagree with you. Yes, MJ knew who he was as an entertainer, and always wanted the best in amount of positive attention and record sales. He probably said "I'm Michael Jackson" all the time in private regarding his status, but that does not make him more self-centered than Prince. If anything, they had/have equivalent sized egos regarding their art, and clearly displayed/display them differently: MJ had to be the biggest seller with the most merchandise; Prince has to release the most albums and perform often. Both concentrated/concentrate on the money. But again, when you include how they treat the fans, offstage, Prince's ego is larger to me, since he has never consistently shown as much humility/humanity to people who want to meet him or just say "hello" as Michael Jackson did, which is just as important as dedication to the music itself.

And finally, Kanye West's horrid public ego eclipses every currently popular music star. He is the one you should be criticizing, lol.

I would most def. say that kanye's is bigger because this dude is walking around saying he's going to be like MJ(RIP)and all that other king of pop s***
is a little bit to much and plus Prince can flaunt his and everybody would already know he could do that cause prince is proven

Jamzone333 said:

Prince isn't conceited he's convinced and that's cool cuz he can back it up.

Kanye on the other hand is a spoiled brat who thinks people should respect him cuz he's Kanye. I guess some people admire his style and music but I'm lost on that. Plus the regularly scheduled temper tantrums at awards shows is ridiculous for a grown man.

kenlacam said:

If we could get people to stop mentioning him in every Prince related thread it'd be nice.

Riverpoet31 said:

I thought Elizabeth Taylor was the first to call him the King of Pop when presenting him an award?

Kayne West's ego is bigger than the world itself. 3 David Ruffin's and a Beyonce.

Like forreal he is SOOOOO into himself. Lawwd Hamercy. But I LOVE Kayne.

"Mr West is in the building, swagga on a hundred thousand trillion."

cheesecakequeen said:

No "The King of Pop" title was all Michael's idea kind of his "I am Sasha Fierce" or "J.Lo" moment!

Dayclear said:

Indeed.
Prince has complete confidence while chumpass sissy kanye needs others to tell him he's bad.

Prince has a big ego (borderline confidence)
U have to in order to manipulate your stage presence, audience and interview techniques, not to mention all that he gets away with.

'dre

I don't care about ego because I'm not involved with either of them.
But as far as IQs go, Prince has gotta win that one.

Riverpoet31 said:

If you get your facts straight, it was Elizabeth Taylor who declared Michael the King of Pop. The world just adopted it. It was not Michael's idea.

Yes, MJ had those statues of his HIStory tour and he also left one here in the Netherlands which stands at a MacDonald's store in the south of our country as a memoir. But more importantly, Michael also visited two hospitals while in Amsterdam giving his concerts and donated money and gifts for the sick kids.
Michael might have come across a having an ego and who wouldn't, having had the success he did but I'm sure he was very insecure underneath it all.

He also told the world "I'm talking to the man in the mirror, I'm asking him to change his ways.... if you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and MAKE THAT CHANGE."

Point is, let Michael Jackson rest in peace.

Riverpoet31 said:

I can guarantee you that your alleged "superficial Pop-puppet" did more good in the world that you have ever done or will do.

WaterInYourBath said:

Um, how often did MJJ ever get near any fans outside of his own residence. I'm sure he could deal with them at Neverland where he had security out the wazoo but he wasn't going to clubs and even dealing with regular people nor could he have since Off the Wall and Thriller. He would have been mobbed and Prince has at least at soundchecks talked to some of his fans and I know this because I had a conversation with him at one. But if he was out walking around then he would not want to be stopped because he would never get anywhere because he also would be mobbed.

I would bet my paycheck that you will never see Prince grab a mic from another performer in the middle of their speech and make a fool of himself as Kayne did.

And please ignore the troll who is posting off-topic MJ rants, thanks.

jimmyrogertodd said:

Michael Jackson was a helluva lot more popular than Prince, as well. If Prince was as popular as MJ, he wouldn't be out in clubs or in public like he was, either. At the time, he couldn't make news if he was in a Bronco chase, ala OJ!

jimmyrogertodd said:

My son met and chatted with MJ in a bookstore at the mall. They had closed the store for an hour with a few customers still inside.

babynoz said:

Now that sounds cool as all get out. I bet he was very nice to everyone he met because he was groomed that way and he has never been anything but a celebrity. He had a very sad life and although I wasn't a huge fan like my little brother I loved his music and videos. He was a force to be reckoned with for sure but Prince was my dude and is still #1 in my book which has nothing to do with any of this but what Kanye West did last weekend at the MTV awards just shows how there is something wrong with people who think that their opinion is more important than anyone else. Cause we all know that Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time!!! (Better than Thriller???)Lol.

i think they are equally tied and I think kanye west has a lot of talent I like a lot of music and I think he is the best in the rap game right now his music sells in the millions and he's not going around suing his fansites and coming after mothers who's children dance to his music so where do you draw the line?
[Edited 9/20/09 13:26pm]

alexnvrmnd777 said:

That last crack was little over the top bringing OJ into the discussion is a bit extreme. Sure Jackson was more popular than Prince. He had been a star since he was 8 years old and then he became a megastar with Thriller. Prince came out of the midwest making music and making a name for himself as a adult not a teen idol and then going on to have success as an adult. He had adult fans moreso than preteens like Jackson so that is one reason for Jackson immense popularity. He will be missed but it is sad the way he left unfinished business such as the concert tour that he wanted to do. I hope that they release some of his music from his vault so his fans can hear more of his work cause he made a lot more music than what was released. Now I am done with talking about MJJ on a Prince ego vs Kanye ego discussion.

jimmyrogertodd said:

Yeah, he said Mike was very nice to talk to.

I can't see Prince pulling a stunt like the one Kanye pulled that night. For that bs alone, I give Kanye the ego crown.

Hey Kanye!!! In the words of Stewie Griffin.... You suck Donkey Ass!