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A CELEBRATION: EMANCIPATION Continuing on the One Album a Day discussion of Prince's music, we arrive at the epic Emancipation. Initially I thought to do this as a one disc per day review - but to do so will rob the ability to compare and contrast and listen to this as Prince intended. So read on if you dare, lol.
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excellent review. a masterpiece in my view which truly deserves more praise. and sleep around i agree, really could have been a big club single, but alas. however, considering the length, lack of real publicity, the name change and everything...id class the album as a commercial success, didnt it place quite high in the charts? Wouldn't you love to love me? | |
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yes, thanks for the review
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This is my favorite prince album...wait this is my favorite album ever.....
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I love "Emancipation." I listen to this Prince album frequently. Last Night, I spent another lonely Christmas...Darlin' Darlin' U shoulda been there.~Prince. | |
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OK, now this album is right in my wheelhouse. I was still a new fan of Prince when Emancipation was released and for me it was love at first listen. I still remember rushing home from school and trying to get the whole collection listened to. It took me the better part of a week to fully digest it. Perhaps because I was a new fan I didn't have any problem ranking this as one of his very best albums. For me Emancipation, along with The Gold Experience, is easily one of his ten best albums. Is there a lot to digest? Absolutely. If you made it shorter would it be a stronger album? Perhaps. But there is a so much great material here. I never understand it when people complain that Emancipation, particularly the drums, sounds too dated. Does Emancipation sound any more dated than 1999? I could pick out highlights but really I love the whole album. It took me a while to get into the first half of disc two and the first four songs of disc three but now I love them all. When I finally heard Mayte's album many years later I found it funny that one of her songs (sorry, I can't recall which one) shared some of the same drum programming as "Slave." And speaking of "Slave" how great is it that this song is all percussion?
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I think you put a lot of effort into that review and I agree that it was too much at once by TAFKAP. He was obviously trying 2 match Prince's output in one go. The music itself has plenty of standouts like One of Us, Eye can't make u love me (Having the George Michael version too helps me enjoy the textures this song can have. Prince and George both take this song and turn it into a superb piece of singing for both their genres, its great hearing them back 2 back). The Holy River I just loved and always will, its a superb song and I love the video with the waterfall scene. Then theres "In this bed I scream", Sex in the summer, one kiss at a time, soul sancutary, lalala means eye love u, betcha by golly wow, The love we make, we gets up, new world and emancipation, true sustained brilliance.
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Huggiebear said: BUTTTT..... Theres the filler crap like Get Yo Groove on, Emale, The Plan and Style, just crappy add ons, and the abysmal rapping by Scrap D whose rapping is scrappy to say the least and face down. If Prince could have left this rubbish out, it would be sign o the times quality, but for what it is I give a B- which is still quite good, but unrealised potential, perhaps if he had released a 15 song 1cd or 22 song 2cd we would have had a bigger hit Well, the thing is who decides what is "filler crap?" If you talk to ten different Prince fans about which songs on Emancipation should be cut I'm guessing you would get wildly varying answers. For example, I really like both "Get Yo Groove On" and "Style." You seem to enjoy the covers on Emancipation but if I had my way they would not be on there. In the end I am very happy that he decided to release Emancipation as a three hour, three disc set. I wouldn't want him to do that with every album but I wouldn't mind seeing him try it again. (Lotusflow3r, arguably, does not count since one of the album's was a protege effort.) I think it would be great to see him release a four disc, four hour set of all new material. | |
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It's great reading other people's take on this epic release.
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rialb said: I think it is really one of Prince's biggest mistakes that he didn't work the Emancipation album as hard as he planned to. A mistake? Wasn't this released about the time his baby died? That would put a spanner in my working plans too. On the subject of the 3 disc set and filler, I've said it many times, I'd rather have the quantity and be able to enjoy my own quality. And now for a cup of tea. | |
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TheEnglishGent said: rialb said: I think it is really one of Prince's biggest mistakes that he didn't work the Emancipation album as hard as he planned to. A mistake? Wasn't this released about the time his baby died? That would put a spanner in my working plans too. On the subject of the 3 disc set and filler, I've said it many times, I'd rather have the quantity and be able to enjoy my own quality. 100% agreed the more the better.... | |
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Great review! It's nice to know others appreciate this album as much as I do. It's quite possibly my all time favorite album...such raw emotion in it. It stayed in my cd player for an entire year with a listen almost every single day!
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PsychedelicMama said: Great review! It's nice to know others appreciate this album as much as I do. It's quite possibly my all time favorite album...such raw emotion in it. It stayed in my cd player for an entire year with a listen almost every single day!
Oh yeah, I think that was Chris Rock (not Spike Lee) who mentioned in a VH1 interview with that he kept Soul Santuary on repeat for so long : )
[Edited 7/6/09 8:34am] nahhh...i think it was spike....this is an absolute classic in prince history imo | |
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Emancipation - not my fave Prince album, we all know about the crappy plastic sound,
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thedance said: Emancipation - not my fave Prince album, we all know about the crappy plastic sound,
still I will give this collection 8/10... it just gets better with many listenings and a lot of time. I would love to hear the songs produced with heavy bass/ drums. :dreaming: Could you elaborate on "the crappy plastic sound?" Maybe give an example of one of the worst sounding songs? I've listened to this album a lot and I don't see what the problem is with the sound. | |
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you want me to describe the sound...
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Very good album! | |
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thedance said: you want me to describe the sound...
well the drums made by Kirk Johnson are weak, the production sounds sterile, saccharine.... dead..... compared to the dynamic sound of 1999 / Purple Rain. I love the song writing, many great songs, but production wise it is one of Prince's worst. LIVE, I really enjoy: Jam Of The Year, Somebody's Somebody, Face Down, One Of Us, The Holy River. on the album, the music sounds like stiff R 'n' B... imo.... So basically all of the drums, aside from the live drums, sound bad? I respectfully disagree. I also strongly disagree about the sound of 1999. Yes, the drum arrangements are arguably much more adventuress than on Emancipation but I would argue that 1999 is his most dated sounding album. Prince was going for a contemporary sound (circa 1994-1996) so of course the album sounds somewhat dated but I think it would have sounded worse if he tried to use the same sounds he did back in 1982-1984. I'm not trying to be argumentative here but could you give me a more specific example of the plastic sound you are referring to? Maybe cite a specific song? Or is it the entire collection that sounds plastic to you? Would you compare the drum sounds on Emancipation to the drum sounds on Newpower Soul? To my ears that is an album with weak drums. [Edited 7/6/09 10:07am] | |
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^ let's just agree to disagree... Hello... I'm Come funkateer 'Danceelectric'
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thedance said: ^ let's just agree to disagree...
Imo. Emancipation was a huge disappointment when it was released, the first really bad album, this was what was "born to make"?
Hell where was the black edgy funk?? Too sweet, sugary pop - r'n'b, I know I'm not alone with this view, actually some (most?) fans detest this album, I remember a discussion on Housequake and some quakers were actually using the discs as coasters when they are drinking beer, lol.... I won't get further into why I don't like the sound of Emancipation, basically it's a matter of tastes. What sounds great and funky to some, sounds stiff and sterile to others. I like the Emancipation album now, after many listenings - I rate it 8/10 - it's okay - but it's far from Prince's great sound of the 1980s: the legendary 80s sound will always be classic to me, 1980-1988... while 1996 was the first real disappointment, the last half 1990s was a decline, Emancipation - NPS - Rave, well imo., but it seems we disagree.... ? [Edited 7/6/09 10:32am] I do agree that there is not much "black, edgy funk" on Emancipation but I gotta say I'm surprised to hear that you rank it below albums like Graffiti Bridge and Diamonds And Pearls. You called 1996 "the first real disappointment" so I am assuming that you prefer the entire 1989-1995 era over Emancipation? | |
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I think there's about 3 or 4 tracks I can listen to on the whole thing!
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rialb said: I do agree that there is not much "black, edgy funk" on Emancipation but I gotta say I'm surprised to hear that you rank it below albums like Graffiti Bridge and Diamonds And Pearls. You called 1996 "the first real disappointment" so I am assuming that you prefer the entire 1989-1995 era over Emancipation?
haha, yeah that's true, Joy In Repetition, The Q Of U, Thieves In The Temple, Elephants & Flowers, New Power Generation (song), Jerk Out (Non GB, but from the GB era) these are classics in my ears, and I love the "big singles" from D&P too. In stead of telling more, it's easier to show my ranking of "My top 37 Prince albums": from best album to worst: 01. Purple Rain (10) 02. Sign "O" The Times (10) 03. 1999 (10) 04. Lovesexy (10) 05. Parade (10) 06. Around The World In A Day (10) 07. The Gold Experience (10) 08. Dirty Mind (10) 09. Controversy (9) 10. Diamonds & Pearls (9) 11. Love Symbol Album (9) 12. Come (9) 13. Black Album (9) 14. The Rainbow Children (9) 15. Graffiti Bridge (8) 16. Prince (8) 17. Crystal Ball (8) 18. Emancipation (8) 19. For You (8) 20. Batman (8) 21. LotusFlower / MPLSound (8) 22. Musicology (7) 23. Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic (7) 24. 3121 (6) 25. The Truth (6) 26. Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (6) 27. The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (6) 28. Chaos & Disorder (6) 29. The Chocolate Invasion (6) 30. Slaughterhouse (6) 31. Planet Earth (5) 32. Newpower Soul (4) 33. ONA Piano (3) 34. N.E.W.S. (2) 35. ONA... Live (2) 36. Indigo Nights (2) 37. Kamasutra (0) as you see Emancipation is "in the middle", it is even ranked higher than both For You and Batman, maybe I should re-think that lol... [Edited 7/6/09 12:17pm] Hello... I'm Come funkateer 'Danceelectric'
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I think Emancipation would be fairly near the bottom of my "top 37 Prince albums" list... If I could be bothered to make that list! | |
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thedance said: I forgot to comment this...
Emancipation: "the first real disappointment", true that's my words, but I have got used to the album over the years, after many listenings, My first reaction in 1996 was a HUGE disappointment, now I like it even the production isn't my cup of tea, sorry to mention "the production" one more time. it IS a bit of a cliché already, isn't it...? No need to apologise. I know that many fans fault Emancipation's production it's just not something that I get. | |
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The great thing is that everyone has their own take on the music. Something another hears may help us rediscover / re-evaluate it.
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I still think this is prince's last real solid effort. I agree that some of the production is plastic sounding but so many stand outs 2 this day.
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it was a good album..i was pleasantly surprised to hear Poet99 and Savion Glover on "joint to joint"..he was actually making the same tracks i was with "the human body", he didnt forget to get the club moving (I wished he made more tracks like these)..sampling an ultrasound for the intro to "sex in the summer"?..the creativity was there...some of the songs on this album were hot...and then there were others that were just bad..too many songs?..no...just too many bad songs that i had no problem skipping over. "OMGl,Isn't that Prince on the television Saul?, is he the strangest thing you've ever seen or what?" | |
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Is it just me or do you think that "The Love We Make" sounds too much like "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaack? Imago: "You look My cover of the "Crush" by Smashing Pumpkins: http://prince.org/msg/15/314710. | |
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An excellent review, recap and dissection. Thanks for this. It's 2009 and I'm still listening to this album over TEN YEARS LATER! It just highlights the timeless quality of Prince's music and how there's so much out there that you can dig it years later or rediscover something.
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