purplecam said:

amorbella said:

Mexican Bombshells and Haters can still have Love4OneAnother!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I guess so....
SUPA are you still a true Prince fan?

amorbella said:

What constitutes "True". In a discussion recently with someone who isn't a fan I cited Prince as my favorite ever of all time. Does that count?

Another consideration is this: How much of Prince's fanbase do websites like the org actually consist of?

I really feel that this is a hardcore/niche place here. Don't get me wrong this is THE Prince fan site on the net, but Prince is a global superstar. What percentage of his fans across the world frequent this place?



I ask this question, because one could get a skewed view on his fans if just looking at prince.org or any fan website for that matter....
[Edited 5/19/09 9:29am]

u do realize that people were put off with prince's spirtual messages during lovesexy right?

Many people have their own opinion to love/hate/be neutral with the man in question. We can go on for ages discussing this.

toots said:

We will!

It bothered me personally because Prince became a fake, a fraud and a bad facsimilie of his true self. You could tell this from the way he approached his own music, his past and his career.

The only true expression, to me, is The Rainbow Children but then you still have him singing selaciously about women in most of his post JW material. Which is natural, obviously, but he could never perform most of his JW material in a Hall without censoring himself and then what is the point? That certainly shows he isn't even true to his declared faith.

I am a fan of Me'Shell N'Degeocello from the beginning. When she dropped Peace Beyond Passion, she is questioning and challenging Christianity like crazy. Having been raised in the Christian faith, and finding myself asking all the same questions as posed on Peace Beyond Passion, I felt an extreme sense of kinship because the territory was intimately familiar.

On Cookie, reading the liner notes, she experesses a new found faith in Islam and I can't lie here but I felt a very real sense of betrayal. After stewing on that feeling for a while, I came to realize that how could I question her conversion when I, like her, do not believe in my former faith? How could I expect her not to move on? I did.

I continued to keep an open mind to her conversion and listen to the music. Instead of clutching onto rigidity and strict ideals, she continued to be the person I always knew her to be. Expressing herself truly in the way she felt about love, politics, god and even though she still used suggestive language (like Prince still does) and sang about intimacy and sexuality (like Prince still does), she never tried to create a false image to make herself look better on the surface. She continued to be human and it showed in her music. Prince is fake and it shows in his.

At what point did the relationship between Prince and his fans turn 2 what I and other preceive 2 be negative? It seems 2 me that once Prince converted 2 a JW was the turning point. That was also about the time when his material got "tamed".

Am I off base here?

Graycap23 said:

I think it started around the time he send cease & desist letters forcing those original 8 prince fansites to shut down.


It's hard for many of the new fans who jumped on board post-2000 to imagine it, but at one time the Prince online community of fans was huge. There were more Prince fansites than MJ and Madonna sites I believe. I mean, huge.

Now it's boiled down to a few small sites, the org, and his utterly forgettable lutusfailure.com site.


But after the initial 8 sites shut down, every 2 years or so, he performs another royal P&R fuckup, which really speaks to the his genius--it's amazing his career survives at all despite himself.

Graycap23 said:

I think it started around the time he send cease & desist letters forcing those original 8 prince fansites to shut down.

lol:

Imago said:

What year was that?

Imago said:

Great point and funny as hell Funny isnt it?

Imago said:

What year was that?

OK, re: the JW conversion.

It bothered me personally because Prince became a fake, a fraud and a bad facsimilie of his true self. You could tell this from the way he approached his own music, his past and his career.

The only true expression, to me, is The Rainbow Children but then you still have him singing selaciously about women in most of his post JW material. Which is natural, obviously, but he could never perform most of his JW material in a Hall without censoring himself and then what is the point? That certainly shows he isn't even true to his declared faith.

I am a fan of Me'Shell N'Degeocello from the beginning. When she dropped Peace Beyond Passion, she is questioning and challenging Christianity like crazy. Having been raised in the Christian faith, and finding myself asking all the same questions as posed on Peace Beyond Passion, I felt an extreme sense of kinship because the territory was intimately familiar.

On Cookie, reading the liner notes, she experesses a new found faith in Islam and I can't lie here but I felt a very real sense of betrayal. After stewing on that feeling for a while, I came to realize that how could I question her conversion when I, like her, do not believe in my former faith? How could I expect her not to move on? I did.

I continued to keep an open mind to her conversion and listen to the music. Instead of clutching onto rigidity and strict ideals, she continued to be the person I always knew her to be. Expressing herself truly in the way she felt about love, politics, god and even though she still used suggestive language (like Prince still does) and sang about intimacy and sexuality (like Prince still does), she never tried to create a false image to make herself look better on the surface. She continued to be human and it showed in her music. Prince is fake and it shows in his.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

just out of curiosity ..isn't there a track on cookie where she professes she likes 2 smoke weed? isn't that something against the muslim code?

just asking not trying 2 start a debate here

I think it was between the internet and his religious conversion in the 90's. Prince wants his rights to privacy both as an artist and a private citiizen as far as the internet goes. he also wants people to just forget about the life he use to lead and I don't think that's probable as far as the internet goes. Personally I still love and respect the man he has been and who he is today, and I've always thought he has the right to say NO to anything that has to do with his life and his music.
[Edited 5/19/09 13:47pm]

I think he does, the profanity and other parts that are not agreeable with his JW beliefs today. I'm not sure he cares about the people he's alienating either, I've as much as heard him say so.Prince is really a "my way or the highway" man. folks should know that by now.
[Edited 5/19/09 14:26pm]

Dayclear said:

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I see but aren't you the same person that on another thread is claiming it's the haters that's running off Prince's fans by being negative. It really doesn't get any more negative or profane than not caring about alienating your fans, until of course, it's time for a quick payday...ie concerts ticket sales...website subscriptions...cds! Is this really what Mr. My way or the highway beliefs are?

I honestly don't get how people feel personally slighted by Prince. My life has not been impacted even slightly by anything Prince has done other than not release a proper DVD or live album.

And it's not like I'm not paying attention.

But to answer the question, he lost more fans with Around the World than anything.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I never really thought about it before until Supa posted it on this thread, but I think that's one of the things that annoys me about Prince's music now. The things he expresses don't always feel genuine now.

The funniest thing is listening to folks treat it like gospel.

Imago said:

Let's hope he never goes Hale Bop cuz imagine how empty this place would be if the fams hopped the nearest comet