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Reply #90 posted 11/20/08 12:07pm

wonder505

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TheEnglishGent said:

The colour thing doesn't have anything to do with wanting to exclude black people or denying his history. He wanted to make the point that regardless of colour, we're all just human. His religion says god is the ruler of man and he shouldn't vote to have a human leader, so why would the fact that someone is black compel him to vote, after all, he's just another man.

Also, he doesn't hate gays, the bible said men shouldn't lay with men and that's what the JW's believe, so that's what Prince believes.

These aren't my views, just how Prince sees things because of his religion.

To be honest, you have to give credit to the JW's for sticking with this belief. If you believe the bible to be the word of god, then you shouldn't be able to modify things to fit, as certain other christian groups have done just because it makes them more popular in the modern world. If you really believe that book is the word of a being that created everything around us, then you really should live life according to its writings.


I agree wholeheartly with your response. Prince is undoubtly trying to model his life in accordance to God's Word. The Word is very clear in that man should not lay with man, and woman should not lay with woman. I would rather "Stand with the unadulterated Word of God" or "Fall with the trickery of Satan".


but don't you think as a public figure who draws support from straight and gay alike he should keep those feelings to himself? if your post is true, then he needs to end his career now and live his life out as a JW away from the spotlight. that is the reality. (we really don't want that now do we)
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Reply #91 posted 11/20/08 12:14pm

4bjb

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JediMaster said:



Amen. He does these interviews, where he goes on and on about his religious views, all the while using "Princespeak", and doesn't allow tape recorders or pen & paper....then he trips when the story "mis-quotes" him? He seems to want to "educate" the journalists on his spiritual worldview, but he just winds up getting himself all twisted up. I'd really like to be able to know what was actually said, and the context of the quote about gay marriage.
Knowing Prince, he probably didn't mean it to be homophobic, but it probably came across that way to anyone who hasn't been reading all the man's nutty interviews over the years. Prince seems to always come close to integrating his religious views with his public persona, only to blow it. He reconciles with Wendy & Lisa, does the Ellen show, and in general just seems to be cool with gay friends and fans, then turns around and says something stupid that probably isn't 100% reflective of his actual views. His desire to seem somewhat cryptic also seems to lend itself to him being mis-quoted, or at the very least mis-interpreted.

He needs to stick to discussing music. When he talks about artists who influence him, what gear he uses, etc., we see the REAL Prince. His spiritual view actually comes across much more clearly in those articles, because he is talking about the one area that he knows best...and the one thing that he uses to express himself best.


And maybe...just maybe...the reporter brought her own agenda to the interview?

Having worked as a reporter, I'd like to tell you how I think this might have gone down. We all know Prince doesn't allow tape recorders...and sometimes doesn't even allow note taking. Which means the reporter has to rely on his/her own memory of what was said. (Which is why there should never be direct quotes in the article that follows, as there were in this one. Or the reporter should call the source back and say, "I heard this - is that your recollection, too?")

If you don't have notes or a tape, you sit in an interview and - every time something "quote-worthy" is said, you think to yourself frantically, "Oh, geez...I have to remember that line...that's really good." So you replay it a couple times in your mind - and miss a potential qualifier that follows right on its heels. This is in addition to, as always, thinking about the next question...or a follow-up question. There's no way a reporter can be "in the moment" or really listening in the interview, because he or she is too busy trying to remember what exactly was said and weighing each statement as a possible lede for the story.

I have my doubts about all of this - a reporter possibly having her own agenda, that Prince might not even have said what's attributed to him, or that he may have qualified what he said and it sailed right over the head of the journalist. Frankly, the most inflammatory quote in the piece doesn't even sound like Prince. He has an elegant (if cryptic) way of speaking. He's not blunt - as that quote is.


I totally agree with you....you are the only one that has made a "common sense" assessment of this interview. These folks that say that won't listen to Prince anymore or will no longer be fans...I say "goodbye". My father taught me as a young child that "talk was the cheapest thing one could buy" and when I asked why? he put a newspaper and magazine in front of me and said "this is full of lies". As I got older I found that to be true...lies---lies---and more lies.
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Reply #92 posted 11/20/08 12:14pm

Anxiety

wonder505 said:

4bjb said:



I agree wholeheartly with your response. Prince is undoubtly trying to model his life in accordance to God's Word. The Word is very clear in that man should not lay with man, and woman should not lay with woman. I would rather "Stand with the unadulterated Word of God" or "Fall with the trickery of Satan".


but don't you think as a public figure who draws support from straight and gay alike he should keep those feelings to himself? if your post is true, then he needs to end his career now and live his life out as a JW away from the spotlight. that is the reality. (we really don't want that now do we)
[Edited 11/20/08 12:07pm]


i don't think he even has to go that far. like i said somewhere else on here this week, i just think he needs to reconcile his beliefs with his relationship to the world. it's not difficult to have a certain set of beliefs, a respect for others whether or not they share your beliefs, and an overall faith that god will do the judging at the end of the day. i don't think that would take one drop of compromise.
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Reply #93 posted 11/20/08 12:25pm

4bjb

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JediMaster said:



Amen. He does these interviews, where he goes on and on about his religious views, all the while using "Princespeak", and doesn't allow tape recorders or pen & paper....then he trips when the story "mis-quotes" him? He seems to want to "educate" the journalists on his spiritual worldview, but he just winds up getting himself all twisted up. I'd really like to be able to know what was actually said, and the context of the quote about gay marriage.
Knowing Prince, he probably didn't mean it to be homophobic, but it probably came across that way to anyone who hasn't been reading all the man's nutty interviews over the years. Prince seems to always come close to integrating his religious views with his public persona, only to blow it. He reconciles with Wendy & Lisa, does the Ellen show, and in general just seems to be cool with gay friends and fans, then turns around and says something stupid that probably isn't 100% reflective of his actual views. His desire to seem somewhat cryptic also seems to lend itself to him being mis-quoted, or at the very least mis-interpreted.

He needs to stick to discussing music. When he talks about artists who influence him, what gear he uses, etc., we see the REAL Prince. His spiritual view actually comes across much more clearly in those articles, because he is talking about the one area that he knows best...and the one thing that he uses to express himself best.


i really think this misquote thing is a big old snafu of some kind. prince was being cryptic and the reporter doesn't have a photogaphic memory, or didn't have a backup person to take notes.

i think prince really excels at interviews when the questions are submitted to him in written form and he is given a chance to respond in writing.

hopefully, he will issue a statement of some kind to clarify what he actually said. but, i don't hold my breath on that because he isn't big on clarification


As far as I am concerned, Prince does not need to say anything. His best defense is offense.
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Reply #94 posted 11/20/08 12:37pm

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I think that people FAIL TO RECOGNIZE that the 50 year old PRINCE IS DIFFERENT than the I WANNA BE YOUR LOVER of long ago. I TRULY BELIEVE MAYTE and LOSING the BABY CHANGED him MORE than ONE CAN IMAGINE. It is DEVESTATING. I think PRINCE has ALWAYS been a SPIRITUAL PERSON and RELIGIOUS and I think he BELIEVED that somehow he was PUNISHED. I think he went into the JEHOVAH RELIGION because he felt LOST. I think Maybe he was DOING WHAT HE NOW PREACHES AGAINST. I do BELIEVE that he has ALWAYS WANTED that SPECIAL ONE. I also believe he would have been DIFFERENT had he NEVER GOTTEN INVOLVED with MAYTE. Remember how SPIRITUAL he was in GRAFFITI BRIDGE and how he was working with MAVIS STAPLES and JUVETTA and the STEELES? Personally I wish he would have been with CARMEN ELECTRA. To me she is the BOMB. And in response to him asking about the Girl on the Swing at PAISLEY PARK. Maybe she wanted to be INVITED INSIDE TO WATCH YOU PLAY? To see you at WORK. Maybe you SCARED her because she LOVED YOU SO MUCH. Maybe she'll come back and you'll make her SMILE.
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Reply #95 posted 11/20/08 12:49pm

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MRGee said:

I think that people FAIL TO RECOGNIZE that the 50 year old PRINCE IS DIFFERENT than the I WANNA BE YOUR LOVER of long ago. I TRULY BELIEVE MAYTE and LOSING the BABY CHANGED him MORE than ONE CAN IMAGINE. It is DEVESTATING. I think PRINCE has ALWAYS been a SPIRITUAL PERSON and RELIGIOUS and I think he BELIEVED that somehow he was PUNISHED. I think he went into the JEHOVAH RELIGION because he felt LOST. I think Maybe he was DOING WHAT HE NOW PREACHES AGAINST. I do BELIEVE that he has ALWAYS WANTED that SPECIAL ONE. I also believe he would have been DIFFERENT had he NEVER GOTTEN INVOLVED with MAYTE. Remember how SPIRITUAL he was in GRAFFITI BRIDGE and how he was working with MAVIS STAPLES and JUVETTA and the STEELES? Personally I wish he would have been with CARMEN ELECTRA. To me she is the BOMB. And in response to him asking about the Girl on the Swing at PAISLEY PARK. Maybe she wanted to be INVITED INSIDE TO WATCH YOU PLAY? To see you at WORK. Maybe you SCARED her because she LOVED YOU SO MUCH. Maybe she'll come back and you'll make her SMILE.



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Reply #96 posted 11/20/08 12:57pm

4bjb

wonder505 said:

4bjb said:



I agree wholeheartly with your response. Prince is undoubtly trying to model his life in accordance to God's Word. The Word is very clear in that man should not lay with man, and woman should not lay with woman. I would rather "Stand with the unadulterated Word of God" or "Fall with the trickery of Satan".


but don't you think as a public figure who draws support from straight and gay alike he should keep those feelings to himself? if your post is true, then he needs to end his career now and live his life out as a JW away from the spotlight. that is the reality. (we really don't want that now do we)
[Edited 11/20/08 12:07pm]



God gives us "free will"....and with "free will" Prince along with any other other public figure can express their feelings if they so choose. If you watched the debates you saw plenty examples with Obama, Clinton, McCain etc. Prince will continue to be in the "spotlight" and will be forever loved regardless of his beliefs. We are all imperfect people, however there are some of us that are "looking for that ladder" and there some of us that just plain old want "salvation of the soul"....nothing more....nothing less.
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Reply #97 posted 11/20/08 1:09pm

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MRGee said:

I think that people FAIL TO RECOGNIZE that the 50 year old PRINCE IS DIFFERENT than the I WANNA BE YOUR LOVER of long ago. I TRULY BELIEVE MAYTE and LOSING the BABY CHANGED him MORE than ONE CAN IMAGINE. It is DEVESTATING. I think PRINCE has ALWAYS been a SPIRITUAL PERSON and RELIGIOUS and I think he BELIEVED that somehow he was PUNISHED. I think he went into the JEHOVAH RELIGION because he felt LOST. I think Maybe he was DOING WHAT HE NOW PREACHES AGAINST. I do BELIEVE that he has ALWAYS WANTED that SPECIAL ONE. I also believe he would have been DIFFERENT had he NEVER GOTTEN INVOLVED with MAYTE. Remember how SPIRITUAL he was in GRAFFITI BRIDGE and how he was working with MAVIS STAPLES and JUVETTA and the STEELES? Personally I wish he would have been with CARMEN ELECTRA. To me she is the BOMB. And in response to him asking about the Girl on the Swing at PAISLEY PARK. Maybe she wanted to be INVITED INSIDE TO WATCH YOU PLAY? To see you at WORK. Maybe you SCARED her because she LOVED YOU SO MUCH. Maybe she'll come back and you'll make her SMILE.


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Reply #98 posted 11/20/08 1:49pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

The colour thing doesn't have anything to do with wanting to exclude black people or denying his history. He wanted to make the point that regardless of colour, we're all just human. His religion says god is the ruler of man and he shouldn't vote to have a human leader, so why would the fact that someone is black compel him to vote, after all, he's just another man.

Also, he doesn't hate gays, the bible said men shouldn't lay with men and that's what the JW's believe, so that's what Prince believes.

These aren't my views, just how Prince sees things because of his religion.

To be honest, you have to give credit to the JW's for sticking with this belief. If you believe the bible to be the word of god, then you shouldn't be able to modify things to fit, as certain other christian groups have done just because it makes them more popular in the modern world. If you really believe that book is the word of a being that created everything around us, then you really should live life according to its writings.


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Reply #99 posted 11/20/08 3:08pm

Anxiety

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wave Hi Zelaira. Good to see you back.



woot!
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Reply #100 posted 11/21/08 2:08pm

SilverlakePhil

Anxiety said:

vainandy said:



wave Hi Zelaira. Good to see you back.



woot!



co-sign.. I wonder why she left in the first place?
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Reply #101 posted 11/21/08 9:12pm

LLA

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

FlamingRaindrop said:

No doubt that will disappoint the handful of obama fanatics...

Good to hear he didn't have a horse in the election, and sees the bigger picture.


spit Handful?


Awww... pat


I think you meant to say "supporters" rather than fanatics. And just a handful?...Really?...


Well, that must have been a MIGHTY BIG HAND!!!!! wink
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Reply #102 posted 11/22/08 11:35am

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The moral to this interview is that religion is for idiots. It makes people act crazy. And the sad thing is, it's all fake. There is no God. And if there is a God, he has nothing to do with our lives, our society, He can't change anything. You're the only one who can change anything. Whether or not God exists, or anything exists, is up to you and your mind.

If you can say anything about "God", you can say he's an underachiever. smile

Oh, and the second moral to the story is that Larry Graham is a moron. I can't believe Prince could ever be so weak minded and end up listening to that loon.

And Prince isn't correct about Republicans and Democrats. Not all Democrats support "gay marriage" and think people should do "whatever they want."

Also, how in fact, does Prince think society should allow "God to rule?" How is that even possible? Who would be the spokesperson for God? Our local churches? Give me a break!
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"Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?"
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Reply #103 posted 11/22/08 12:47pm

rbrpm

Earth calling prince come in please u can come home now over! confused
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Reply #104 posted 11/22/08 12:52pm

dseann

Number23 said:

suomynona said:



And I said, Well, because you’re black.

And he said "Am I?" and held up his wrist next to my ruddy one. Indeed his skin was lighter, and he cracked up.


Is there anyone he didn't offend in this interview? lol It seems Prince only wants white Christian heterosexuals to listen to his music now.


I don't hear any homosexuals criticizing the bible for its tale of Sodom and Gamorah, which is what Prince was referring to with "sticking it everywhere". Do homosexuals find the bible offensive as well?
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Reply #105 posted 11/22/08 2:11pm

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"The thing she said about Prince that stuck with me was that he sees women in a way that most men don’t. He looks right at them. I felt that -- he’s strangely considerate."

I know exactly what she means.
"What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?"
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Reply #106 posted 11/22/08 2:14pm

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tackam said:

"The thing she said about Prince that stuck with me was that he sees women in a way that most men don’t. He looks right at them. I felt that -- he’s strangely considerate."

I know exactly what she means.



What the hell does that mean???
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Reply #107 posted 11/22/08 2:23pm

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pplrain said:

tackam said:

"The thing she said about Prince that stuck with me was that he sees women in a way that most men don’t. He looks right at them. I felt that -- he’s strangely considerate."

I know exactly what she means.



What the hell does that mean???



It means I agree. Looooots of people have met Prince, and I'm one of them, and that was my experience of him as well. Connecting with him is effortless, despite the fact that he's, like, alternate-universe craaayzee. "Strangely considerate" is a good way to put it. That's all.
"What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?"
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Reply #108 posted 11/22/08 2:23pm

dseann

pplrain said:

tackam said:

"The thing she said about Prince that stuck with me was that he sees women in a way that most men don’t. He looks right at them. I felt that -- he’s strangely considerate."

I know exactly what she means.



What the hell does that mean???


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Reply #109 posted 11/22/08 3:09pm

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tackam said:

pplrain said:




What the hell does that mean???



It means I agree. Looooots of people have met Prince, and I'm one of them, and that was my experience of him as well. Connecting with him is effortless, despite the fact that he's, like, alternate-universe craaayzee. "Strangely considerate" is a good way to put it. That's all.


I have to say that is true. When you look at him in person, you do not really think of his celebrity... rather him as a person. I know that is true.
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Reply #110 posted 11/23/08 2:45am

fantasylandmus
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MendesCity said:

Something tells me the next time this reporter talks to Prince, it'll be because he's just happened upon her house on a conversion call.

And then his eyes will get wide, and he'll say "YOU!" Then the Benny Hill music will kick in and he'll chase around the house trying to whack her over the head with the Watchtower.
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biggrin falloff falloff That is too funny.
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Reply #111 posted 11/23/08 7:28am

Thumparello

Dude needs to get off the cocaine. It's the drug talkin these days more than anything. He's addict.

His religious mumbo jumbo is in part to his addiction.
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Reply #112 posted 11/23/08 10:59am

Accujack

I am an agnostic conservative, and I absolutely fuckin' love Prince more now than ever. As looney as he obviously is, he refuses to succumb to Obamamania and liberal indoctrination at the expense of his convictions like so many other "Christians" have done.
He is clearly a true believer who will not accept homosexuality and abortion as normal and mainstream, and it drives you people insane. I love it.
Your little androgynous hero won't bow down and fall prey to secularization and liberal brainwashing.


Keep it up Prince. thumbs up!
He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #113 posted 11/23/08 11:16am

Accujack

Maybe next year Prince will release Rainbow Children II The Passage of Prop 8
That would be fucking awesome!
He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #114 posted 11/23/08 11:23am

piepie1976

u conservatives are such sadists lol

Accujack said:

I am an agnostic conservative, and I absolutely fuckin' love Prince more now than ever. As looney as he obviously is, he refuses to succumb to Obamamania and liberal indoctrination at the expense of his convictions like so many other "Christians" have done.
He is clearly a true believer who will not accept homosexuality and abortion as normal and mainstream, and it drives you people insane. I love it.
Your little androgynous hero won't bow down and fall prey to secularization and liberal brainwashing.


Keep it up Prince. thumbs up!
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Reply #115 posted 11/23/08 11:34am

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Why are we defending Prince here?


Well because many of the people who are so bent over this alleged quote are the same folks who for the last twelve or so years have reserved the right to voice thier opinions about his religious beliefs in general with regards to being a JW, and his right to even participate in organized religion and all this BEFORE he did this interview with New Yorker mag.

Seems to me you can't have it both ways. You can't say 'I have the right to my opionions, but you don't have the right to yours'.

Exactly, well said clapping
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Reply #116 posted 11/24/08 10:20am

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XxAxX said:

JediMaster said:



I'm in complete agreement...although I've never tried carrot soup, so I have no opinion on that matter.


and you call yourself a fam. disbelief

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Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #117 posted 11/24/08 1:49pm

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vainandy said:



wave Hi Zelaira. Good to see you back.


I saw MrGee post on another thread, and thought it could be Zelaira too, but I'm not sure. hmmm
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Reply #118 posted 11/25/08 10:08pm

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Lovely simply Lovely
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Reply #119 posted 11/25/08 10:10pm

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MendesCity said:

Something tells me the next time this reporter talks to Prince, it'll be because he's just happened upon her house on a conversion call.

And then his eyes will get wide, and he'll say "YOU!" Then the Benny Hill music will kick in and he'll chase around the house trying to whack her over the head with the Watchtower.
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