2freaky4church1 said:

for my part, i'm not trying to defend or vilify prince. i'm only interested in putting the whole mess in some kind of rational perspective.

i will defend carrot soup until the end of time, however.

Why are we defending Prince here?

Why are we defending Prince here?

Why are we defending Prince here?

2freaky4church1 said:

Because I care about him and stand behind him. We share a common belief in GOD and many other things. He's not just a musician/artist to me. He's an inspiration. He's inspired me to look above the obvious and listen to my heart and to my Father.

2freaky4church1 said:

Because I care about him and stand behind him. We share a common belief in GOD and many other things. He's not just a musician/artist to me. He's an inspiration. He's inspired me to look above the obvious and listen to my heart and to my Father.

Why are we defending Prince here?

Ifsixwuz9 said:

i don't understand how this quote wasn't caught at the fact checking stage. if someone transcribed what he said during the interview, i don't see how it would hurt for the reporter to run a rough draft by prince and ask "is this pretty much what you said?". i know that's not a standard practice, but it's something i've done in the past when i've interviewed people for publications, just as a courtesy to make sure i caught their comments accurately. then again, i was allowed to use a tape recorder.

Why are we defending Prince here?

To be honest, you have to give credit to the JW's for sticking with this belief. If you believe the bible to be the word of god, then you shouldn't be able to modify things to fit, as certain other christian groups have done just because it makes them more popular in the modern world. If you really believe that book is the word of a being that created everything around us, then you really should live life according to its writings.

No doubt that will disappoint the handful of obama fanatics...

Good to hear he didn't have a horse in the election, and sees the bigger picture.

The colour thing doesn't have anything to do with wanting to exclude black people or denying his history. He wanted to make the point that regardless of colour, we're all just human. His religion says god is the ruler of man and he shouldn't vote to have a human leader, so why would the fact that someone is black compel him to vote, after all, he's just another man.

Also, he doesn't hate gays, the bible said men shouldn't lay with men and that's what the JW's believe, so that's what Prince believes.

These aren't my views, just how Prince sees things because of his religion.

To be honest, you have to give credit to the JW's for sticking with this belief. If you believe the bible to be the word of god, then you shouldn't be able to modify things to fit, as certain other christian groups have done just because it makes them more popular in the modern world. If you really believe that book is the word of a being that created everything around us, then you really should live life according to its writings.

Prince went from being radically black to now being a self hating black. The ex-slave now wants to be the white man's slave.

He was not misquoted and lied. He is a sad little man.

2freaky4church1 said:

I was not going to comment on this interview issue, because I knew the PC police would find a way to misinterpret it and launch into yet another tired anti-Prince tirade. However, your comment compelled me to log in and respond.

As an EXTREMELY proud black woman, I did not get this impression at all from Prince's alleged comments. I have always liked Prince because he has never backed away from issues of race like so many other mainstream black artists do.

Instead, I got the feeling that Prince, like myself, is probably tired of white folks assuming that because Obama is black that every black person voted for him. Like Prince, I also exercise my option to not vote, not because of religious reasons but because I recognize the futility of it all in the larger scheme of things. Yet, my white colleagues just assumed that I voted for Obama. They came up to me the day after the election saying "congratulations." Because I live in Chicago, they assumed I was in Grant Park. I have a white colleague who shares my beliefs about the political system. However, I did not learn this from him because he just wanted to talk to me about Obama and race. I learned about our common political beliefs secondhand from another white colleague with whom he shared his true feelings about politics. We probably could have had a good discussion but because he was so focused on Obama and me being black he just assumed that I was voting black.

It's insulting. I did not go up to white people after Bush won and say "congratulations." So, I think Prince's response was a sarcastic reply to the obsession that some whites have with race. At my job whenever something racial is in the news, the whites want to seek me out and get my opinion because I am, of course, the spokesperson for all things black. It's like yeah, I'm black and proud of who I am but don't make assumptions or confine me within the parameters of your myopic perception of what my "blackness" means.

That is what I got from Prince's comments. I seriously doubt that Prince is trying to be a slave on anyone's plantation. Furthermore, nothing about Prince, especially in the last 20 years, points to a man who is begging for white acceptance.

Finally, how sad is it that people still make such trite references to his size. That's lame, real lame. Attempting to belittle someone because their views are opposite yours is just immature. At the end of the day, what comes of it?
[Edited 11/19/08 22:24pm]

2freaky4church1 said:

I was not going to comment on this interview issue, because I knew the PC police would find a way to misinterpret it and launch into yet another tired anti-Prince tirade. However, your comment compelled me to log in and respond.

As an EXTREMELY proud black woman, I did not get this impression at all from Prince's alleged comments. I have always liked Prince because he has never backed away from issues of race like so many other mainstream black artists do.

Instead, I got the feeling that Prince, like myself, is probably tired of white folks assuming that because Obama is black that every black person voted for him. Like Prince, I also exercise my option to not vote, not because of religious reasons but because I recognize the futility of it all in the larger scheme of things. Yet, my white colleagues just assumed that I voted for Obama. They came up to me the day after the election saying "congratulations." Because I live in Chicago, they assumed I was in Grant Park. I have a white colleague who shares my beliefs about the political system. However, I did not learn this from him because he just wanted to talk to me about Obama and race. I learned about our common political beliefs secondhand from another white colleague with whom he shared his true feelings about politics. We probably could have had a good discussion but because he was so focused on Obama and me being black he just assumed that I was voting black.

It's insulting. I did not go up to white people after Bush won and say "congratulations." So, I think Prince's response was a sarcastic reply to the obsession that some whites have with race. At my job whenever something racial is in the news, the whites want to seek me out and get my opinion because I am, of course, the spokesperson for all things black. It's like yeah, I'm black and proud of who I am but don't make assumptions or confine me within the parameters of your myopic perception of what my "blackness" means.

That is what I got from Prince's comments. I seriously doubt that Prince is trying to be a slave on anyone's plantation. Furthermore, nothing about Prince, especially in the last 20 years, points to a man who is begging for white acceptance.

Finally, how sad is it that people still make such trite references to his size. That's lame, real lame. Attempting to belittle someone because their views are opposite yours is just immature. At the end of the day, what comes of it?
[Edited 11/19/08 22:24pm]

2freaky4church1 said:

I was not going to comment on this interview issue, because I knew the PC police would find a way to misinterpret it and launch into yet another tired anti-Prince tirade. However, your comment compelled me to log in and respond.

As an EXTREMELY proud black woman, I did not get this impression at all from Prince's alleged comments. I have always liked Prince because he has never backed away from issues of race like so many other mainstream black artists do.

Instead, I got the feeling that Prince, like myself, is probably tired of white folks assuming that because Obama is black that every black person voted for him. Like Prince, I also exercise my option to not vote, not because of religious reasons but because I recognize the futility of it all in the larger scheme of things. Yet, my white colleagues just assumed that I voted for Obama. They came up to me the day after the election saying "congratulations." Because I live in Chicago, they assumed I was in Grant Park. I have a white colleague who shares my beliefs about the political system. However, I did not learn this from him because he just wanted to talk to me about Obama and race. I learned about our common political beliefs secondhand from another white colleague with whom he shared his true feelings about politics. We probably could have had a good discussion but because he was so focused on Obama and me being black he just assumed that I was voting black.

It's insulting. I did not go up to white people after Bush won and say "congratulations." So, I think Prince's response was a sarcastic reply to the obsession that some whites have with race. At my job whenever something racial is in the news, the whites want to seek me out and get my opinion because I am, of course, the spokesperson for all things black. It's like yeah, I'm black and proud of who I am but don't make assumptions or confine me within the parameters of your myopic perception of what my "blackness" means.

That is what I got from Prince's comments. I seriously doubt that Prince is trying to be a slave on anyone's plantation. Furthermore, nothing about Prince, especially in the last 20 years, points to a man who is begging for white acceptance.

Finally, how sad is it that people still make such trite references to his size. That's lame, real lame. Attempting to belittle someone because their views are opposite yours is just immature. At the end of the day, what comes of it?

bellanoche said:

coughbullshitcough

the fact that a person of color, THIS year, with everything that's going on in the world has the audacity to defend their right to "not vote". i could waste a lot of time and energy pointing out what our ancestors had to do (some of them DIED) for us to gain that right. whatever.

of course the non-surprise being that of course there are kak's in here (kool-aid kids) that will defend ANYTHING that Prince says or does.

ButterscotchPimp said:

equally, there are obsessive Prince hating drama queens here who hate everything that he does, describe him like he's Satan, yet still continue to spend time here following Prince news and discussing a man they despise so much. I guess its good to have both sides represented on the Org.

I too pressured everyone to vote this year especially, but the reality is our ancestors died so that we can have a choice. I may not agree with someone not voting but I agree they should have a choice. That's just my opinion.
[Edited 11/20/08 6:59am]

Prince went from being radically black to now being a self hating black. The ex-slave now wants to be the white man's slave.

He was not misquoted and lied. He is a sad little man.

Very well put and written. I think the same goes for women. McBush thought by picking who he did as his running mate that he would gain the women voters who wanted Hilary....i think that kinda backfired. I'm not sure that NOT voting is the way to approach the issues, but it is something to consider.

suomynona said:

Is there anyone he didn't offend in this interview? It seems Prince only wants white Christian heterosexuals to listen to his music now.

emesem said:

Are you taliking about Prince or the guys in Wall Street or George W Bush ?

Anxiety said:

I'm in complete agreement...although I've never tried carrot soup, so I have no opinion on that matter.

The colour thing doesn't have anything to do with wanting to exclude black people or denying his history. He wanted to make the point that regardless of colour, we're all just human. His religion says god is the ruler of man and he shouldn't vote to have a human leader, so why would the fact that someone is black compel him to vote, after all, he's just another man.

Also, he doesn't hate gays, the bible said men shouldn't lay with men and that's what the JW's believe, so that's what Prince believes.

These aren't my views, just how Prince sees things because of his religion.

To be honest, you have to give credit to the JW's for sticking with this belief. If you believe the bible to be the word of god, then you shouldn't be able to modify things to fit, as certain other christian groups have done just because it makes them more popular in the modern world. If you really believe that book is the word of a being that created everything around us, then you really should live life according to its writings.