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Thread started 05/03/08 9:10am

Bootsy2002

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Delia Derbyshire

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Delia Derbyshire (1937-1961) was a british composer and arranger, who worked mainly in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She composed and played many continuity music for the brit company, including the main title for popular series 'Doctor Who'. She was a pioneer of electronic music when synthesizers were on its infancy, and has been a heavy influence for electronic grups such Stereolab, Orbital and many others.

In 1964, Delia released a work called 'The Dreams', a 5-piece oniric suite made of a collage-like mix of electronic sounds and people telling their dreams.

Well, the most important thing here is: the atmospheric sound you can hear both at the beginning and end of 'Lovesexy' album is a direct sampling of an excerpt of 'The Dreams'. Of course, the sampling is absolutely uncredited in the record credits Anyway, at that time NOBODY credited samples, but now u ought to.

Mr. Nelson, in your epic struggle with rights' recognition, maybe you should be coherent now we know and credit and PAY rights to Delia Derbyshire copyright holders. (Unfortunately she's dead). You played that sample not only in the record, but countless times in the 'Lovesexy' tour. I guess you also used it in several parts of Ingrid Chavez's album (1991).

Maybe BBC and Miss Derbyshire copyright holders should know about this. Or did you already payed all those rights? guess not.

This piece is gonna be released on Princefams, Housequake.com and Prince.org, the 3 most important sites on Prince on the net. Feel free to release it on any other Prince dedicated site.
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Reply #1 posted 05/03/08 9:16am

ThreadBare

But did she own her masters?
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Reply #2 posted 05/03/08 10:11am

langebleu

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Bootsy2002 said:

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Delia Derbyshire (1937-1961) was a british composer and arranger, who worked mainly in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She composed and played many continuity music for the brit company, including the main title for popular series 'Doctor Who'. She was a pioneer of electronic music when synthesizers were on its infancy, and has been a heavy influence for electronic grups such Stereolab, Orbital and many others.

In 1964, Delia released a work called 'The Dreams', a 5-piece oniric suite made of a collage-like mix of electronic sounds and people telling their dreams.

Well, the most important thing here is: the atmospheric sound you can hear both at the beginning and end of 'Lovesexy' album is a direct sampling of an excerpt of 'The Dreams'. Of course, the sampling is absolutely uncredited in the record credits Anyway, at that time NOBODY credited samples, but now u ought to.

Mr. Nelson, in your epic struggle with rights' recognition, maybe you should be coherent now we know and credit and PAY rights to Delia Derbyshire copyright holders. (Unfortunately she's dead). You played that sample not only in the record, but countless times in the 'Lovesexy' tour. I guess you also used it in several parts of Ingrid Chavez's album (1991).

Maybe BBC and Miss Derbyshire copyright holders should know about this. Or did you already payed all those rights? guess not.

This piece is gonna be released on Princefams, Housequake.com and Prince.org, the 3 most important sites on Prince on the net. Feel free to release it on any other Prince dedicated site.

Given the tone of your comments, I presume you are clear on your facts when you make statements which imply Prince has infringed copyright?

Have you established that there has has been a copyright infringement?

Who were the copyright holders of the work in 1988??

Do you have evidence that the work was not made available for legitimate use by others (either generally, or specifically Prince), either as copyright-free or under licence?

If you have established that and can substantiate the implication of your comments, all well and good. Otherwise, it doesn't make good sense to publish such implied allegations on the three websites that have in the very recent past been in dispute with Prince over matters of legal rights

Incidentally, Delia Derbyshire didn't die, as you state, in 1961. She died in 2001.

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[Edited 5/3/08 10:30am]
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Reply #3 posted 05/03/08 12:39pm

Tame

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That was interesting reading and God rest her soul...I didn't know her.. however, if she has died, no-one knows if Delia would not have lovingly enjoyed her sliver of work on a Prince record. Some people are just happy to be in musical company as teacher's. cool
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Reply #4 posted 05/03/08 1:19pm

Trickology

langebleu said:

Bootsy2002 said:

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Delia Derbyshire (1937-1961) was a british composer and arranger, who worked mainly in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She composed and played many continuity music for the brit company, including the main title for popular series 'Doctor Who'. She was a pioneer of electronic music when synthesizers were on its infancy, and has been a heavy influence for electronic grups such Stereolab, Orbital and many others.

In 1964, Delia released a work called 'The Dreams', a 5-piece oniric suite made of a collage-like mix of electronic sounds and people telling their dreams.

Well, the most important thing here is: the atmospheric sound you can hear both at the beginning and end of 'Lovesexy' album is a direct sampling of an excerpt of 'The Dreams'. Of course, the sampling is absolutely uncredited in the record credits Anyway, at that time NOBODY credited samples, but now u ought to.

Mr. Nelson, in your epic struggle with rights' recognition, maybe you should be coherent now we know and credit and PAY rights to Delia Derbyshire copyright holders. (Unfortunately she's dead). You played that sample not only in the record, but countless times in the 'Lovesexy' tour. I guess you also used it in several parts of Ingrid Chavez's album (1991).

Maybe BBC and Miss Derbyshire copyright holders should know about this. Or did you already payed all those rights? guess not.

This piece is gonna be released on Princefams, Housequake.com and Prince.org, the 3 most important sites on Prince on the net. Feel free to release it on any other Prince dedicated site.

Given the tone of your comments, I presume you are clear on your facts when you make statements which imply Prince has infringed copyright?

Have you established that there has has been a copyright infringement?

Who were the copyright holders of the work in 1988??

Do you have evidence that the work was not made available for legitimate use by others (either generally, or specifically Prince), either as copyright-free or under licence?

If you have established that and can substantiate the implication of your comments, all well and good. Otherwise, it doesn't make good sense to publish such implied allegations on the three websites that have in the very recent past been in dispute with Prince over matters of legal rights

Incidentally, Delia Derbyshire didn't die, as you state, in 1961. She died in 2001.

.
[Edited 5/3/08 10:30am]


You know you are showing your anal retention here,right? Scolding someone for making a point that no one has brought up is a valid one regardless of what you interject. Sometimes I think you intentionally try to inject yourself just so you can get into a overt- analytical legalese-fest just to be heard. It's kind of a pattern with you to correct others on any little trivial thing. Do you notice that at all with yourself? Does that hinder any of your real relationships with people? Are you aware of that? Just so you know, it's kind of snarky to do that repeatedly.

You are reminiscent like the web sheriff or a frustrated trial lawyer just looking for a rouse on any little miniscule point ,btw. And that gets old real fast. This isn't Law and Order/Boston Legal/ and there ia no legal rammifications for bringing up discussion of past copyright violations regarding this artiat,PERIOD. Nothing is going to happen to Prince.org or Housequake because this person is opening a dialogue on a copyrighted sampling of Delia Derbyshire's work.


I find this discussion fascinating. It happens regularly on discussion forums. It's called opionated discussion. I don't want to say you are trying to sabotage the topic or just to make a Lange bleu cameo and say "I would advise..." It is kind of annoying and obtrusive to have that kind of personality I would imagine.




Just thought you should know how you sound and come across. It's like with a authoritarian wagging finger. Like you are the alpha and omega with your opinion on here.


Nothing is going to happen this person or this site because he brings this to light. We all know that. It's deluded paranoia at best.



Just my 2 cents
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[Edited 5/3/08 13:39pm]
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Reply #5 posted 05/03/08 1:35pm

Sander

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Thanks to Bootsy2002 for bringing up this interesting fact.

Thanks to Langeblue for keeping track of the trivia.
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Reply #6 posted 05/03/08 1:47pm

Trickology

Bootsy2002 said:[quote]Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Bootsy, thanks for sharing something that wasn't well known to this community. This is exactly what I hate about the copyright tattle tale game from hypocritical musicians. This kind of topic is going to get you alot of snark terrorism in here. (That is for sure) But do not let that hinder you in the future. Nice post and keep us up to date with what kind of response you get.


BTW for those interested in Delia: (I found this searching a little bit)


http://www.box.net/shared...vd44kk.zip
[Edited 5/3/08 14:13pm]
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Reply #7 posted 05/03/08 5:25pm

babynoz

Trickology said:[quote]

Bootsy2002 said:

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Bootsy, thanks for sharing something that wasn't well known to this community. This is exactly what I hate about the copyright tattle tale game from hypocritical musicians. This kind of topic is going to get you alot of snark terrorism in here. (That is for sure) But do not let that hinder you in the future. Nice post and keep us up to date with what kind of response you get.


BTW for those interested in Delia: (I found this searching a little bit)


http://www.box.net/shared...vd44kk.zip
[Edited 5/3/08 14:13pm]


Very interesting...thanks.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #8 posted 05/04/08 3:13am

Lospigg

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yup
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Reply #9 posted 05/04/08 3:37am

muirdo

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I dont know the equivalent but its probably like stock footage that film makers use.Prince uses these quite often.Ive heard the baby noise that happens between Delirous and Lets Pretend We're Married loads of times.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #10 posted 05/04/08 4:40am

BorisFishpaw

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There's a lot of misinformation and assumption in this thread (particularly the
opening post), so here are the FACTS....

Firstly, the intro to the Lovesexy album does indeed use a soundscape by
Delia Derbyshire of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (who died in 2001, not
1961). However it's not any of the pieces from "The Dreams". It's a different
composition entitled "Clouds".

Secondly, "Clouds" comes from a royalty-free Library Music collection (which
is like the music equivalent of a sound effects disc), so no copyrights were
infringed with it's use on Lovesexy and no credit is required. In fact, this kind
of use is exactly what tracks like "Clouds" were intended for!

I'm sure Delia (and the Radiophonic Workshop ) would have been delighted
to know that one of her compositions got used like this, as they usually
don't get much exposure outside of use for incidental music in film/TV or
radio commercials etc.
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Reply #11 posted 05/04/08 4:17pm

gsh

[shameless plug] Just a wee interjection here - this isn't previously unknown info either - it was discussed over a year ago on Housequake. [/shameless plug]
http://www.housequake.com...adid=81715
[Edited 5/4/08 16:18pm]
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Reply #12 posted 05/04/08 11:13pm

2IZ1

one day love will rain on all of u and make u wanna settle down.
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Reply #13 posted 05/04/08 11:43pm

unique

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muirdo and boris hit the nail on the head, the kind of music that she made was library archive stuff like dewulf

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...olfe_Music

prince certainly has a box of sample cds at paisley park, although obviously cd's weren't around when 1999 was recorded (and neither was paisley), so it's quite possible that's how the part ended up on lovesexy

if it it wasn't library music and wasn't credited on the record, it doesn't necessarily mean that royalties aren't paid

perhaps the op should have made clear whether he researched this or not before posting, in order to clarify the position and avoid unnecesary conflict. the fact that it's not mentioned suggests he was unaware of these possible explanations, but that doesn't answer the question as to why the op would post in such a way to allege that something untoward went on (20 years ago!). what does the op have to do with the issue? notably he can't even get the dates wrong that she lived. what other errors are contained in the post?
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Reply #14 posted 05/05/08 1:24am

BorisFishpaw

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unique said:

what other errors are contained in the post?


Apart from getting her name and job right, the post is completely false.

Wrong dates, wrong piece of music, wrong info and wrongly accusing
Prince of dishonest behavior.
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Reply #15 posted 05/05/08 1:29am

TheMightyCeles
tial

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But did she own her masters?

My masters owned me, once.
But then I escaped.
That why I changed my name to the Mighty Celestial.
Illustrator was my slave name.
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Reply #16 posted 05/05/08 3:49am

Sophianestesia

BorisFishpaw said:[quote]"Clouds" comes from a royalty-free Library Music collection (which
is like the music equivalent of a sound effects disc), so no copyrights were
infringed with it's use on Lovesexy and no credit is required. In fact, this kind
of use is exactly what tracks like "Clouds" were intended for![quote]

Hi, Boris, is there a way of getting 'Clouds'?

Thanks.
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Reply #17 posted 05/05/08 3:51am

Sander

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Thanks for the updates!

Bootsy2002 and Trickology, don't you have anything to say? Maybe comment on some replies...
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Reply #18 posted 05/05/08 3:55am

dawntreader

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Bootsy2002 said:

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Delia Derbyshire (1937-1961) was a british composer and arranger, who worked mainly in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She composed and played many continuity music for the brit company, including the main title for popular series 'Doctor Who'. She was a pioneer of electronic music when synthesizers were on its infancy, and has been a heavy influence for electronic grups such Stereolab, Orbital and many others.

In 1964, Delia released a work called 'The Dreams', a 5-piece oniric suite made of a collage-like mix of electronic sounds and people telling their dreams.

Well, the most important thing here is: the atmospheric sound you can hear both at the beginning and end of 'Lovesexy' album is a direct sampling of an excerpt of 'The Dreams'. Of course, the sampling is absolutely uncredited in the record credits Anyway, at that time NOBODY credited samples, but now u ought to.

Mr. Nelson, in your epic struggle with rights' recognition,maybe you should be coherent now we know and credit and PAY rights to Delia Derbyshire copyright holders. (Unfortunately she's dead). You played that sample not only in the record, but countless times in the 'Lovesexy' tour. I guess you also used it in several parts of Ingrid Chavez's album (1991).

Maybe BBC and Miss Derbyshire copyright holders should know about this. Or did you already payed all those rights? guess not.

This piece is gonna be released on Princefams, Housequake.com and Prince.org, the 3 most important sites on Prince on the net. Feel free to release it on any other Prince dedicated site.


you guess? great.... disbelief

this thread should be locked, now that all the right info has come up.
yes SIR!
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Reply #19 posted 05/05/08 4:02am

Sander

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dawntreader said:

you guess? great.... disbelief

this thread should be locked, now that all the right info has come up.


No, not yet. I'd like to hear something from Bootsy2002 first.
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Reply #20 posted 05/05/08 4:09am

dawntreader

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Sander said:

dawntreader said:

you guess? great.... disbelief

this thread should be locked, now that all the right info has come up.


No, not yet. I'd like to hear something from Bootsy2002 first.


with fifteen posts in 6 years, we would be surprised wink
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yes SIR!
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Reply #21 posted 05/05/08 4:32am

NouveauDance

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evillol @ the thread starter.

This has been covered a few times on the fan sites you listed, you could've saved yourself the effort if you'd done a search on them to find the correct info.
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Reply #22 posted 05/05/08 5:20am

Scotsman1999

For those vaguely interested, I attended a theatre production called 'Standing Wave' a few years ago based on Delia's life, and it was extremely interesting. She was a true pioneer of electronic music, well before Kraftwerk etc.

http://www.reelingwrithin...eviews.htm
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Reply #23 posted 05/05/08 6:22am

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Trickology said:

langebleu said:


Given the tone of your comments, I presume you are clear on your facts when you make statements which imply Prince has infringed copyright?

Have you established that there has has been a copyright infringement?

Who were the copyright holders of the work in 1988??

Do you have evidence that the work was not made available for legitimate use by others (either generally, or specifically Prince), either as copyright-free or under licence?

If you have established that and can substantiate the implication of your comments, all well and good. Otherwise, it doesn't make good sense to publish such implied allegations on the three websites that have in the very recent past been in dispute with Prince over matters of legal rights

Incidentally, Delia Derbyshire didn't die, as you state, in 1961. She died in 2001.

.
[Edited 5/3/08 10:30am]


You know you are showing your anal retention here,right? Scolding someone for making a point that no one has brought up is a valid one regardless of what you interject. Sometimes I think you intentionally try to inject yourself just so you can get into a overt- analytical legalese-fest just to be heard. It's kind of a pattern with you to correct others on any little trivial thing. Do you notice that at all with yourself? Does that hinder any of your real relationships with people? Are you aware of that? Just so you know, it's kind of snarky to do that repeatedly.

You are reminiscent like the web sheriff or a frustrated trial lawyer just looking for a rouse on any little miniscule point ,btw. And that gets old real fast. This isn't Law and Order/Boston Legal/ and there ia no legal rammifications for bringing up discussion of past copyright violations regarding this artiat,PERIOD. Nothing is going to happen to Prince.org or Housequake because this person is opening a dialogue on a copyrighted sampling of Delia Derbyshire's work.


I find this discussion fascinating. It happens regularly on discussion forums. It's called opionated discussion. I don't want to say you are trying to sabotage the topic or just to make a Lange bleu cameo and say "I would advise..." It is kind of annoying and obtrusive to have that kind of personality I would imagine.




Just thought you should know how you sound and come across. It's like with a authoritarian wagging finger. Like you are the alpha and omega with your opinion on here.


Nothing is going to happen this person or this site because he brings this to light. We all know that. It's deluded paranoia at best.



Just my 2 cents
[Edited 5/3/08 13:35pm]
[Edited 5/3/08 13:39pm]

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Well Mr.Trickology what do you have to say for yourself now.

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BorisFishpaw said:[quote]"Clouds" comes from a royalty-free Library Music collection (which
is like the music equivalent of a sound effects disc), so no copyrights were
infringed with it's use on Lovesexy and no credit is required. In fact, this kind
of use is exactly what tracks like "Clouds" were intended for![quote]
[Edited 5/5/08 6:24am]
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Reply #24 posted 05/05/08 6:55am

Giovanni777

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langebleu said:

Bootsy2002 said:

Who's Delia Derbyshire? a new female protegee? another woman on her bed?

NO.

Delia Derbyshire (1937-1961) was a british composer and arranger, who worked mainly in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. She composed and played many continuity music for the brit company, including the main title for popular series 'Doctor Who'. She was a pioneer of electronic music when synthesizers were on its infancy, and has been a heavy influence for electronic grups such Stereolab, Orbital and many others.

In 1964, Delia released a work called 'The Dreams', a 5-piece oniric suite made of a collage-like mix of electronic sounds and people telling their dreams.

Well, the most important thing here is: the atmospheric sound you can hear both at the beginning and end of 'Lovesexy' album is a direct sampling of an excerpt of 'The Dreams'. Of course, the sampling is absolutely uncredited in the record credits Anyway, at that time NOBODY credited samples, but now u ought to.

Mr. Nelson, in your epic struggle with rights' recognition, maybe you should be coherent now we know and credit and PAY rights to Delia Derbyshire copyright holders. (Unfortunately she's dead). You played that sample not only in the record, but countless times in the 'Lovesexy' tour. I guess you also used it in several parts of Ingrid Chavez's album (1991).

Maybe BBC and Miss Derbyshire copyright holders should know about this. Or did you already payed all those rights? guess not.

This piece is gonna be released on Princefams, Housequake.com and Prince.org, the 3 most important sites on Prince on the net. Feel free to release it on any other Prince dedicated site.

Given the tone of your comments, I presume you are clear on your facts when you make statements which imply Prince has infringed copyright?

Have you established that there has has been a copyright infringement?

Who were the copyright holders of the work in 1988??

Do you have evidence that the work was not made available for legitimate use by others (either generally, or specifically Prince), either as copyright-free or under licence?

If you have established that and can substantiate the implication of your comments, all well and good. Otherwise, it doesn't make good sense to publish such implied allegations on the three websites that have in the very recent past been in dispute with Prince over matters of legal rights

Incidentally, Delia Derbyshire didn't die, as you state, in 1961. She died in 2001.

.
[Edited 5/3/08 10:30am]


This place would be in shambles if it weren't 4 U, Langebleu.

Let's get the facts straight.
"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #25 posted 05/05/08 6:58am

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BorisFishpaw said:

There's a lot of misinformation and assumption in this thread (particularly the
opening post), so here are the FACTS....

Firstly, the intro to the Lovesexy album does indeed use a soundscape by
Delia Derbyshire of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop (who died in 2001, not
1961). However it's not any of the pieces from "The Dreams". It's a different
composition entitled "Clouds".

Secondly, "Clouds" comes from a royalty-free Library Music collection (which
is like the music equivalent of a sound effects disc), so no copyrights were
infringed with it's use on Lovesexy and no credit is required. In fact, this kind
of use is exactly what tracks like "Clouds" were intended for!

I'm sure Delia (and the Radiophonic Workshop ) would have been delighted
to know that one of her compositions got used like this, as they usually
don't get much exposure outside of use for incidental music in film/TV or
radio commercials etc.


The ORG desperately needs people like U, BorisFishPaw, and Langebleu, 2 stick around.
"He's a musician's musician..."
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Reply #26 posted 05/05/08 7:24am

PopeLeo

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'Clouds' is a track on a recently released bootleg. Maybe that's why there's renewed interest (and conspiracy theories).
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Reply #27 posted 05/05/08 7:30am

violetblues

Langebleu, BorrisFishpaw, worship worship worship
What would this place be without you guys?
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Reply #28 posted 05/24/08 5:05am

olb99

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The track "Passing Clouds", by Roger Limb, not Delia Derbyshire, is the track used by Prince on "I No". It was originally released in 1976 on "Out of This World" and then in 1991 on "Essential Science Fiction Sound Effects Vol. 2" (on CD).

More information here:

http://bruchez.blogspot.c...jamie.html
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Reply #29 posted 05/24/08 6:58am

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theres something quite sexy about her smile
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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