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PrintableSoulAlive said: PDogz said: Just a thought: Whose career got better after appearing on "We Are The World"? I applaud all of their efforts and the problem they were trying to address, but everyone in that video and song tanked once "We Are The World" came and left. None of them came out as the stars they were going into producing that project. Prince probably saw that coming. And he did actually offer music of his own to be included in the project, which was probably the best part of that album.
'We Are The World' was not about any individual artist or their career.It was about raising money to feed the hungry and to bring attention to the hunger problems in Africa.But if you're gonna focus on what this project did to the careers of the participants,keep this in mind: Prince suffered a huge backlash for not participating and his career went downhill as well. So,I don't think he would have done his career any harm by showing up  Agreed 100%. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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pennylover said: MajesticOne89 said: Besides MJ, who at this time was bigger than Prince? ditto, still waiting 4 this answer  If u have read the rest of the posts, u still wouldn't be waiting. I've long since answered that question. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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mattosgood said: MajesticOne89 said: Besides MJ, who at this time was bigger than Prince? 1984/5 - there was no bigger rock or pop star than Prince - look at the sales. the profile, the hits, the media coverage, the tour etc - simply he had the sounds and the look of 1984/5 as to Quincy Jones - Prince has commented live in concert how Quincy slates his piano playing, only to go on and leave it in no doubt he can play the piano [Edited 11/13/07 8:13am] [Edited 11/13/07 8:14am] PLEASE don't even attempt to try to school me, player. I know of all of what u stated better than u do. And one must first understand what one is talking about before u can truly respond. Yes? I'm not refering to who was the "hottest" artist of the year. I had ALREADY stated that as to being Prince. I was refering to who were LEGENDS at that time. And Prince, was not a legend in 84/85. Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, Stevie, ..were. THAT was my point. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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SoulAlive said: So,I don't think he would have done his career any harm by showing up
Probably not. I think his talent has allowed him to get away with all kinds of nonsense.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said:[quote] laurarichardson said: Most of the money went to administative cost and did not get to any of the staving children in Africa. The effort was noble but, the excution was bad.
Feed a person they eat one day. Show a person how to grow and cultivate food and the eat everyday. Besides P has done a lot for charity he just does not talk about it in the public and maybe he felt uncomfortable with the PR around the project. It is a bit much to assume he does not care about staving people in Africa. ----- Its not always just the amount of money the cause itself brings but also the attention it draws that allow for greater efforts in the struggle. A lot of governments in Africa have major corruption and that's another issue but the idea of celebrities coming together for a great cause alone is a noble effort and egotists like Prince often put self first so often that they can't fathom the idea of being a part of something they are not in charge of. So what if he's contributed to charities? He's not alone. Almost all rich people do. That wasn't the point of "We Are The World". They could have all just written checks like they normally do and called it a day. He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF? Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole. Damn BlaqueKnight! What do u have against Prince? I know u know some people from the past that know Prince and all, and seem 2 be pretty knowledgeable about some things regarding Prince, but damn man u seem like your word and info is the truth and nothing but the truth. I like reading your feedback but u need 2 lighten up because u come on like u either hate the man or u r jealous of him. Hell u don’t know everything about him and nor do u speak the truth about a lot of the issues regarding him. A lot of info u get is hearsay from what u have heard or read like the rest of us. Don’t believe everything one tells u then take and twist the shit in your own words like now. Let’s keep it real not personal. Hell u DO NOT KNOW his reasons 4 not participating in that We R the Word bullshit and further more I’m glad he didn’t join in that madness. They had enough damn people participating in the first place. He would not have made a difference. People like u made it out of more than what it is/was. Hell I’m sure there were others that refuse that bullshit also. We all know Prince has always been a private person. Nothings changed over the years. Sorry I just had 2 get it out of me. I’m ok now. This dumb old ass thread... He did what he had 2 do and whatever he contributed 2 was his business not ours, not yours or the damn media | |
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I'm glad that he didn't do it otherwise I would have had to buy the single, although it still found its way into my collection when I bought the album for "4 The Tears In Your Eyes"  | |
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mattosgood said: MajesticOne89 said: Besides MJ, who at this time was bigger than Prince? 1984/5 - there was no bigger rock or pop star than Prince - look at the sales. the profile, the hits, the media coverage, the tour etc - simply he had the sounds and the look of 1984/5 No doubt,Prince ruled 1984 but let's not forget that Lionel Richie and Bruce Springsteen were enjoying amazing success as well.In fact,Lionel's 'Can't Slow Down' album won more awards than the 'Purple Rain' soundtrack. | |
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he did the right thing. | |
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electrorock said: he did the right thing.
That's not the issue i brought up I personally would of not done the song but that's not the point The point is Prince didn;t tell anyone he wasn't going to turn up. He let them down and then rang two days later. He then lied about it. Any normal person with some thought of others would of rang up and at least let them know! | |
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sexxydancer said: Well he sent Sheila,didn't he?
I always thought he sent Sheila as a "replacement".....to represent the Minneapolis Sound.He's probably the one who told her to wear those silly sunglasses and to act all "cool",but I don't think that's how she came across | |
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fcukthepolice said: electrorock said: he did the right thing.
That's not the issue i brought up I personally would of not done the song but that's not the point The point is Prince didn;t tell anyone he wasn't going to turn up. He let them down and then rang two days later. He then lied about it. Any normal person with some thought of others would of rang up and at least let them know! true. nobodys perfect and judging that weird behaviour is stupid. and the outcome was that there were less sales cuz prince wanst participating in that song? i dont think so. | |
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pennylover said: Damn BlaqueKnight! What do u have against Prince? I know u know some people from the past that know Prince and all, and seem 2 be pretty knowledgeable about some things regarding Prince, but damn man u seem like your word and info is the truth and nothing but the truth. I like reading your feedback but u need 2 lighten up because u come on like u either hate the man or u r jealous of him. Hell u don’t know everything about him and nor do u speak the truth about a lot of the issues regarding him. A lot of info u get is hearsay from what u have heard or read like the rest of us. Don’t believe everything one tells u then take and twist the shit in your own words like now. Let’s keep it real not personal. Hell u DO NOT KNOW his reasons 4 not participating in that We R the Word bullshit and further more I’m glad he didn’t join in that madness. They had enough damn people participating in the first place. He would not have made a difference. People like u made it out of more than what it is/was. Hell I’m sure there were others that refuse that bullshit also. We all know Prince has always been a private person. Nothings changed over the years. Sorry I just had 2 get it out of me. I’m ok now. This dumb old ass thread... He did what he had 2 do and whatever he contributed 2 was his business not ours, not yours or the damn media
No sympathy and compassion for the starvation in Africa? I don't know who you people are or what's wrong with you but I have an understanding of the criminal way that America and Europe and many countries have milked Africa of its resources with its people suffering and starving while most Americans sit back at home and watch it on television. I know that ANY effort to help is better than none and I know that the We Are The World effort was well-intentioned and it did open up the doors for so many other efforts and brought attention to the situation. You try to make it seem as if its personal towards Prince and you know what? It is, but not for the reasons you probably think. I would say the same thing about ANYBODY who felt that way about participating in something bigger than them. Africa is far bigger than Prince could ever imagine to be and its problems are vast. Any attempt to help remind the world of the suffering and destitution going on in a land so rich in resources and life is worth the effort. I don't know who any of you are, but I know who I am. I'm not one to spit in the face of what you call a "fiasco" and what I call "promotion for help". Legends in the game came together to do that and put aside any petty differences they may have had...except for Prince. He wasn't there and was asked to be. WE DO KNOW THAT. Regardless of whatever reasons HE comes up with, it was a fu*ked up thing to do (or rather not to do) on his part. It showed what kind of person he is (or rather ISN'T). You think celebrities coming together to help starving children in Africa is a fiasco? That also says something about you, too. Anybody who's seen the problems there firsthand or even secondhand understands that "there's just as much hunger here at home" as Prince said is BULL. America is a paradise in comparison to some of the countries there and many Americans are so arrogant that we believe because we have more money that our lives are worth more. That is simply not true. As a matter of fact, as I read the comments of some of the drones on here saying he was right by not helping, it comes to no surprise as to why Americans are hated so much around the world. They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us for our arrogance. | |
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wonder505 said:[quote] BlaqueKnight said: pennylover said:
No sympathy and compassion for the starvation in Africa? I don't know who you people are or what's wrong with you but I have an understanding of the criminal way that America and Europe and many countries have milked Africa of its resources with its people suffering and starving while most Americans sit back at home and watch it on television. I know that ANY effort to help is better than none and I know that the We Are The World effort was well-intentioned and it did open up the doors for so many other efforts and brought attention to the situation. You try to make it seem as if its personal towards Prince and you know what? It is, but not for the reasons you probably think. I would say the same thing about ANYBODY who felt that way about participating in something bigger than them. Africa is far bigger than Prince could ever imagine to be and its problems are vast. Any attempt to help remind the world of the suffering and destitution going on in a land so rich in resources and life is worth the effort. I don't know who any of you are, but I know who I am. I'm not one to spit in the face of what you call a "fiasco" and what I call "promotion for help". Legends in the game came together to do that and put aside any petty differences they may have had...except for Prince. He wasn't there and was asked to be. WE DO KNOW THAT. Regardless of whatever reasons HE comes up with, it was a fu*ked up thing to do (or rather not to do) on his part. It showed what kind of person he is (or rather ISN'T). You think celebrities coming together to help starving children in Africa is a fiasco? That also says something about you, too. Anybody who's seen the problems there firsthand or even secondhand understands that "there's just as much hunger here at home" as Prince said is BULL. America is a paradise in comparison to some of the countries there and many Americans are so arrogant that we believe because we have more money that our lives are worth more. That is simply not true. As a matter of fact, as I read the comments of some of the drones on here saying he was right by not helping, it comes to no surprise as to why Americans are hated so much around the world. They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us for our arrogance. hold on a second. Prince not showing up may have been very poor judgement on his part image wise, but how does that automatically translate that he did not care about starvation in Africa? What makes you so sure that because he did not show his face in that video that meant he did absolutely nothing towards the cause directly or indirectly? I never thought participation in that video or song was the final determination of who cares about those suffering in Africa. If i misterpreted you I truly apologize, perhaps I'm missing some key info bcuz it was so long ago. But it appears you are making leaps in your accusations here solely based on someone not showing. I mean I remembered it looked bad on his part but all that other stuff I don't see how you can determine that without inside information on what he did or didn't do to help on his own. | |
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If i misterpreted you I truly apologize,
No need to "We are the world" is a very very poor copy of Band Aid's do they know it Christmas" in fact MJ and QJ and the rest of the US artist should hold the heads down in shame a this late poor copy...they would have done better giving the money out of their rich fat pockets...and promoting the Band Aid song which was for African people...USA egos..USA egos for africa! In the United States, the video was played on MTV frequently throughout the holiday season. It sold more than a million copies in the States but did not reach #1 there, thanks to the more complex nature of the chart system, which counted airplay as well as sales. (Despite outselling the official #1 by four to one, it did not make the Top Ten.) Land of the free...somebody lied!  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: If i misterpreted you I truly apologize,
No need to "We are the world" is a very very poor copy of Band Aid's do they know it Christmas" in fact MJ and QJ and the rest of the US artist should hold the heads down in shame a this late poor copy...they would have done better giving the money out of their rich fat pockets...and promoting the Band Aid song which was for African people...USA egos..USA egos for africa! In the United States, the video was played on MTV frequently throughout the holiday season. It sold more than a million copies in the States but did not reach #1 there, thanks to the more complex nature of the chart system, which counted airplay as well as sales. (Despite outselling the official #1 by four to one, it did not make the Top Ten.) Land of the free...somebody lied! OH MY GOD, I FEEL THE SAME WAY. I thought the Do They Know It's Christmas was more of a humble song. That was an amazing song. MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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Again, blaming the people who participated with good intentions for things beyond their control is idiotic. Calling it foolish is not only hateful but cruel. What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you have your heads so far up Prince's ass that nothing else matters?
The outcome and results of We Are The World have nothing to do with the combined unified EFFORTS and some of you try to twist it and distort it into something else. Egos for Africa? Prince is one of the biggest egomaniacs in the music business. The hypocrisy of using ego as a defense on a Prince site isn't even worth debate. I'll bet 10 to 1 that his ego is the reason he didn't participate. Participating in something like that is never wrong if you have helping starving children at heart. You people are warped. Please don't reproduce. | |
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some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause. Folks, please stop trippin. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause. Folks, please stop trippin.
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BlaqueKnight said: Again, blaming the people who participated with good intentions for things beyond their control is idiotic. Calling it foolish is not only hateful but cruel. What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you have your heads so far up Prince's ass that nothing else matters?
The outcome and results of We Are The World have nothing to do with the combined unified EFFORTS and some of you try to twist it and distort it into something else. Egos for Africa? Prince is one of the biggest egomaniacs in the music business. The hypocrisy of using ego as a defense on a Prince site isn't even worth debate. I'll bet 10 to 1 that his ego is the reason he didn't participate. Participating in something like that is never wrong if you have helping starving children at heart. You people are warped. Please don't reproduce. Hey..Kool & the Gang and Jody Whatley new what was going down! ...why did it take MJ & QJ so long....Hey do you think Stevie Wonder and Whitney..etc..etc.. LIED as well...where was those guy's...USA Egos for Africa! Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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sosgemini said:[quote]some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause.
Yeah for a post on prince.org... apart from that, a few million dead africans is something that people "sosgemini" will ..."trip" about...but hey if you live in the US it's nothing right! now i understand that new orleans thing...SOTT Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said:[quote] sosgemini said: some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause.
Yeah for a post on prince.org... apart from that, a few million dead africans is something that people "sosgemini" will ..."trip" about...but hey if you live in the US it's nothing right! now i understand that new orleans thing...SOTT is this how you try to bait folks into getting upset? what a silly statement to make. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said:[quote] LondonStyle said: sosgemini said: some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause.
Yeah for a post on prince.org... apart from that, a few million dead africans is something that people "sosgemini" will ..."trip" about...but hey if you live in the US it's nothing right! now i understand that new orleans thing...SOTT is this how you try to bait folks into getting upset? what a silly statement to make. No the statements not silly! And No I don't want to bait you or your folks into getting upset! Peace & Love  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: sosgemini said: is this how you try to bait folks into getting upset? what a silly statement to make. No the statements not silly! And No I don't want to bait you or your folks into getting upset! Peace & Love so then why make an assumption about someone like you did towards me? you made a moral judgment about me and you don't even know me. why would you do that for? Space for sale... | |
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LondonStyle said: Hey..Kool & the Gang and Jody Whatley new what was going down! ...why did it take MJ & QJ so long....Hey do you think Stevie Wonder and Whitney..etc..etc.. LIED as well...where was those guy's...USA Egos for Africa! Okay, now you just sound like some snot nosed kid who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. Stevie Wonder WAS at USA for Africa. You've obviously never seen the video and are just arguing for your "hero". Whitney Houston's first album came out in 1985 - the same year as USA for Africa. She wasn't even an established artist at the time. All of that is unimportant anyway because we are discussing the one artist who said he was coming and didn't show up - Prince. Deferring from the issue means you have no point. When all is said and done, any effort to help is better than some armchair critic who des nothing other than call attempts to help ridiculous. That just makes you seem callous and uncaring. Prince couldn't handle working with others and his ego was too bloated for him to come into a situation that was beyond his control and not focused around him and everybody knows it. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: LondonStyle said: Hey..Kool & the Gang and Jody Whatley new what was going down! ...why did it take MJ & QJ so long....Hey do you think Stevie Wonder and Whitney..etc..etc.. LIED as well...where was those guy's...USA Egos for Africa! Okay, now you just sound like some snot nosed kid who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. Stevie Wonder WAS at USA for Africa. You've obviously never seen the video and are just arguing for your "hero". Whitney Houston's first album came out in 1985 - the same year as USA for Africa. She wasn't even an established artist at the time. All of that is unimportant anyway because we are discussing the one artist who said he was coming and didn't show up - Prince. Deferring from the issue means you have no point. When all is said and done, any effort to help is better than some armchair critic who des nothing other than call attempts to help ridiculous. That just makes you seem callous and uncaring. Prince couldn't handle working with others and his ego was too bloated for him to come into a situation that was beyond his control and not focused around him and everybody knows it. clearly this thread has somehow got out of control, with loads of different arguments appearing out of no where, the original point of the thread was about he telling a lie, which given that we are speaking about prince, is quite plausible, yesterday I was watching the interview on Larry King in 1999, where Prince blatantly says, that after the new yrs eve concert he will never perform 1999 again. Guess what, he lied. The issue of the "we are the world" and prince´s notable absense, was this was a time when prince was at the height of his powers, and he was at that time an artist who was well known for his independence, particularily in his appraoch to music, so, as in my case, with hindsight, it is almost impossible to have imagined Prince attending that recording, he was not producing it, and i dont know if there is a recording that exists, where he lets someone produce him. And I dont mean co-productions. The other point is, QJ was the producer and if you look closely at the video of the song, alot of it was all about making MJ look good, and there is no way on earth Prince would have got involved with that. I agree that the project was a good way of getting the world to focus on a problem that was and still is major human issue, and certainly Prince´s popularity took a major dip after, particularily in the US, where the tabloids went to town on him, which resulted in Hello being released. There was no doubt that Prince felt like he had been kicked in the balls, for not appearing, especially after offering a song to the project and $250,000. Whether he lied or not, I cannot answer, but I do know it would have not been the first time that QJ got the answer NO from Prince, and who knows, maybe his EGO is also hurt by that. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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sosgemini said: some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause. Folks, please stop trippin. It was, But it pisses me off that ALL the money didn't get to the starving people, And that Africa is no better off then it was back then. It's just not right. | |
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ThePunisher said: sosgemini said: some of you all are cracking me up...regardless of intentions, ego's or your momma's USA for Africa was a worthy cause. Folks, please stop trippin. It was, But it pisses me off that ALL the money didn't get to the starving people, And that Africa is no better off then it was back then. It's just not right.well, that's a topic for another thread i guess. Space for sale... | |
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BlaqueKnight said:[quote] LondonStyle said: Okay, now you just sound like some snot nosed kid who doesn't know what the hell you're talking about. Stevie Wonder WAS at USA for Africa. You've obviously never seen the video and are just arguing for your "hero". Whitney Houston's first album came out in 1985 - the same year as USA for Africa. She wasn't even an established artist at the time. All of that is unimportant anyway because we are discussing the one artist who said he was coming and didn't show up - Prince. [b]Deferring from the issue means you have no point. When all is said and done, any effort to help is better than some armchair critic who des nothing other than call attempts to help ridiculous. That just makes you seem callous and uncaring. Prince couldn't handle working with others and his ego was too bloated for him to come into a situation that was beyond his control and not focused around him and everybody knows it. [/b] Thanks for the history lesson....USA egos for Africa...Prince did not turn up he went away gave some money and a song... all the other USA egos for Africa did the song because they had to do it, as it was looking really bad that these rich superstars had been upstaged by the brits...and Kool & the Gang and Jody Whatley..and only Prince told lies about the project..and all the other artist are saint's that tell the truth..and gave lost of money..be it very very very very very late in the day...got it
p.s. I was using Stevie , Whitney as examples, though poor of the US elite who did not show up or was not asked...I could have used madonna or james or anyone else that was big at the time... BlaqueKnight do you lie and do you make mistakes...?  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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