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Printablelaurarichardson said:[quote]Most of the money went to administative cost and did not get to any of the staving children in Africa. The effort was noble but, the excution was bad.
Feed a person they eat one day. Show a person how to grow and cultivate food and the eat everyday. Besides P has done a lot for charity he just does not talk about it in the public and maybe he felt uncomfortable with the PR around the project. It is a bit much to assume he does not care about staving people in Africa. ----- Its not always just the amount of money the cause itself brings but also the attention it draws that allow for greater efforts in the struggle. A lot of governments in Africa have major corruption and that's another issue but the idea of celebrities coming together for a great cause alone is a noble effort and egotists like Prince often put self first so often that they can't fathom the idea of being a part of something they are not in charge of. So what if he's contributed to charities? He's not alone. Almost all rich people do. That wasn't the point of "We Are The World". They could have all just written checks like they normally do and called it a day. He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF? Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole. | |
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I'm glad Prince didn't do it too. "For the tears in your eyes" is a much better song and video!
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BlaqueKnight said:[quote] laurarichardson said: Most of the money went to administative cost and did not get to any of the staving children in Africa. The effort was noble but, the excution was bad.
Feed a person they eat one day. Show a person how to grow and cultivate food and the eat everyday. Besides P has done a lot for charity he just does not talk about it in the public and maybe he felt uncomfortable with the PR around the project. It is a bit much to assume he does not care about staving people in Africa. ----- Its not always just the amount of money the cause itself brings but also the attention it draws that allow for greater efforts in the struggle. A lot of governments in Africa have major corruption and that's another issue but the idea of celebrities coming together for a great cause alone is a noble effort and egotists like Prince often put self first so often that they can't fathom the idea of being a part of something they are not in charge of. So what if he's contributed to charities? He's not alone. Almost all rich people do. That wasn't the point of "We Are The World". They could have all just written checks like they normally do and called it a day. He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF? Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole.  yeah right | |
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blackguitaristz said: Well, granted, it was back in 85. But that doesn't stop folks from running threads about the Parade album from one year later, right? I've talked about this incident a few times on here in the past. I remember when this first happened. It was a very big deal. The cause to feed Africa was a very big deal. It made Prince look very bad. Even to his fans. It was the type of bad that no one could justify. A big part of being blessed is to then turn around and be a blessing to others. Where much is given, much is expected. Ya'll know about it. That's what hurt Prince in the eyes of so many. What went down was Quincy already had it all set up for EVERYBODY to go straight from The Shrine in L.A to A&M Studios and lay down your vocals. We're talking about artists that were bigger than Prince THEN than Prince would ever live to be. Anyway, cuz Prince had just had the year of his career and he was HOT as fire, Quincy planned to put the two biggest and hottest pop stars together to sing a verse. Michael and Prince. If that had happened, that record would have sold so much more than it did. Not only because Prince was singing but who he would have been paired with. It would have went through the roof. Which would have been beautiful. The more money the record would have made, the more money would have went to helping hungry people. Prince was like "fuck that. I'm not going down there, singing with Michael...Hey Sheila, u go in my place while I go get something to eat with Jill." Whatever. That's his GOD given right to do want he wants. But I heard that his manager thought the press would look so bad for P once this got out that he talked to Prince, asking him to reconsider. By then, it was too late. All the vocals had been done and everything had been filmed as "proof" who had all participated. As for Prince, all u saw was Shiela in those stupid looking ass oversized shades P wore in the film. They looked silly as hell on Prince and they looked even sillier on Sheila. So that's when Prince called down to the studio where Quincy still was, asking if he could come down and lay down a guitar solo. Two reasons I think he did this. One, he waited untill everybody else had bounced. Two, he wanted to do something different from all of the others so he said a guitar solo. That's not what it was about. It wasn't something to showcase one artist over the others. Your ass sing like everybody else or stay the fuck out of it. He was no better or above anybody else, yet that's how he was trying to portray himself. And that shit backfired on him. He probably thought Quincy was going to be hard up and say "Sure Prince, come on down with your guitar. And maybe u can overdub some screams over Ray Charles's part." But Q didn't and wasn't going to do that.
Doesn't Quincey have a sign at the recording studio that says "Check Your Ego At the Door"? I read somewhere (a biography?) that Prince was intimidated by all the talent that was present.  | |
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laurarichardson said: You know what I comprehend. Your a nutbar!!! He said he was not expected to be there and offered to add something to the song later after the (bodyguard incident)
I remember reading this in Rolling Stone. Your going by what Qunicy Jones is saying which really means nothing. None of us know the whole story. It is P's word against Q's. I don't give a flying fuck about what drunk ass Quincy Jones has to say anyway. If you read Quincy biography's his shit stinks too. I am not going to go into his sudden ignorance about Mike and his pedophile ways. ----- cukthepolice said: Do you not comprehend? Prince was expected to turn up. He did not. He claimed he arranged to do a song and everything was o.k. THAT'S A LIE. He did that AFTER because of the bad press. end of story. ----- That's the whole point. prince said that and lied get off his nuts quincy is a far better man than prince will ever be | |
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I remember some rocker trippin' about Prince not being there...he said something like "He should have been here and a lot of people will never forgive him...."
There was rumor that there was a piece of tape with P's name on it on the floor next to MJ's... Didn't the whole "Hello" incident happen? I have an interview with P saying he would have just clammed up around all of those great artists. He offered Raspberry Beret but declined it. Prime aka The Kid
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prime said: I remember some rocker trippin' about Prince not being there...he said something like "He should have been here and a lot of people will never forgive him...."
There was rumor that there was a piece of tape with P's name on it on the floor next to MJ's... Didn't the whole "Hello" incident happen? I have an interview with P saying he would have just clammed up around all of those great artists. He offered Raspberry Beret but declined it. [Edited 11/12/07 16:38pm] | |
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wlcm2thdwn said: I'm glad Prince didn't do it too. "For the tears in your eyes" is a much better song and video!
[Edited 11/12/07 12:22pm] For the tears in your eyes is a pretty song but the idea was not to see who could write the best song but rather a show of celebrity power and unity in the effort of combating hunger in the U.S.A. for Africa campaign. Non-participation doesn't make you "cool" but rather an asshole, especially if you said you were coming and don't show. As to Prince saying he would have clammed up - bullshit. How can anyone actually believe that? Professionals do what they do and he would have done the same. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: 4bjb said: U said it better than I. thank u so much for that. Quincy Jones is full of u know what. Its a noble idea to try to create art that helps save the lives of starving children and help draw attention to a most worthy cause. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an asshole and a shallow bastard. I totally agree it was a noble idea when Sir Bob/Midge Ure came up with it? "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
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He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF?
Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole.[/b][/color][/quote] if my memory serves me correct he did not contribute Hello, he contributed 4 the tears in your eyes, the whole Hello thing was a swipe back at all the bad press he was getting, there is no doubt that is was not the wisest move he could have made back then, even I was abit stunned at the time that he didnt show up, but given the way he is, it was hardly a surprise and it is imaginable that he would have clammed, one only has to look at the James Brown incident when MJ was invited on stage. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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I can't get off his nuts because they are in your mouth. You need to read Q autobio before you start singing his praises.
Nobody should be forced to particpate in something that do not want to do or can't do. I do not know the whold story and you don't know the whole story. So shut the fuck up. ----- fcukthepolice said: laurarichardson said: You know what I comprehend. Your a nutbar!!! He said he was not expected to be there and offered to add something to the song later after the (bodyguard incident)
I remember reading this in Rolling Stone. Your going by what Qunicy Jones is saying which really means nothing. None of us know the whole story. It is P's word against Q's. I don't give a flying fuck about what drunk ass Quincy Jones has to say anyway. If you read Quincy biography's his shit stinks too. I am not going to go into his sudden ignorance about Mike and his pedophile ways. ----- ----- That's the whole point. prince said that and lied get off his nuts quincy is a far better man than prince will ever be | |
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BK, you are within your rights to think P is a shallow asshole. I kind of think most celebs are assholes but you know what they are around to entertain us.
They do not owe us anything else. In addtion, I always believed that "Hello" was directed at the media and the papparazzi. After all P did stick a song on the We Are The World album so I doubt he does not care about starving people and you don't know what he means by his record standing tall. Maybe he did something for hungary people in Minn. We don't know the details and need to refrain from blanket statments about P's concern for the hungery. BlaqueKnight said:[quote] laurarichardson said: Most of the money went to administative cost and did not get to any of the staving children in Africa. The effort was noble but, the excution was bad.
Feed a person they eat one day. Show a person how to grow and cultivate food and the eat everyday. Besides P has done a lot for charity he just does not talk about it in the public and maybe he felt uncomfortable with the PR around the project. It is a bit much to assume he does not care about staving people in Africa. ----- Its not always just the amount of money the cause itself brings but also the attention it draws that allow for greater efforts in the struggle. A lot of governments in Africa have major corruption and that's another issue but the idea of celebrities coming together for a great cause alone is a noble effort and egotists like Prince often put self first so often that they can't fathom the idea of being a part of something they are not in charge of. So what if he's contributed to charities? He's not alone. Almost all rich people do. That wasn't the point of "We Are The World". They could have all just written checks like they normally do and called it a day. He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF? Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole. | |
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Whitnail said: He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF?
Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole.[/b][/color] if my memory serves me correct he did not contribute Hello, he contributed 4 the tears in your eyes, the whole Hello thing was a swipe back at all the bad press he was getting, there is no doubt that is was not the wisest move he could have made back then, even I was abit stunned at the time that he didnt show up, but given the way he is, it was hardly a surprise and it is imaginable that he would have clammed, one only has to look at the James Brown incident when MJ was invited on stage.[/quote] yeah, I've already been corrected more subtly on that by wlcm2thdwn. My bad. My point still stands. No ones participation was "required"; again, that wasn't the point. He could have showed up; he said he would show up, he DIDN'T. That makes it a LIE. ITS THAT SIMPLE. All excuses aside. That shy gimmick is an act. He sure wasn't shy during the HOF tribute was he? He's always been like that - a control freak. This wasn't his thing; he wasn't running it, he didn't show. The end. People should just call it what it is and stop with the semantics and excuses. It was ages ago. Prince lies. Surprised? I'm not. | |
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"if you said you were coming and don't show. "
Once again P said he never agreeded to be there. We just don't know. BlaqueKnight said: wlcm2thdwn said: I'm glad Prince didn't do it too. "For the tears in your eyes" is a much better song and video!
[Edited 11/12/07 12:22pm] For the tears in your eyes is a pretty song but the idea was not to see who could write the best song but rather a show of celebrity power and unity in the effort of combating hunger in the U.S.A. for Africa campaign. Non-participation doesn't make you "cool" but rather an asshole, especially if you said you were coming and don't show. As to Prince saying he would have clammed up - bullshit. How can anyone actually believe that? Professionals do what they do and he would have done the same. | |
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Whitnail said: i think he was right not to have turned up, for what, a bunch of wankers trying to make themselves look like they are saving the earth, i remember clearly the commotion his absense made, but he was right in the end. anyway, there was no way he was ever going to turn up and be produced for that wetsack Quincy jones and be another part of his wetsack chorus line.
Agreed, But my problem with the whole We Are The World thing runs deeper then that. All that money that they made off that record and USA for Africa etc. Where are the results? Did all the money go towards the cause or did certain people get their cut? I'm sorry if this offends somebody, But it does make you wonder.I have a nightmare image of the facial expressions on princes face as he heard the first chords of the "We R the world" crap being belted out, he must have really thought, is that the best they can do, the apparent musical talent of the time. the re union of which i have posted abit further up is conclusive proof, that he was damn right to stay away  | |
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Will you all let this worthless thread die already, whatever happened, it was over 20 yrs ago, GET OVER IT | |
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fcukthepolice said: laurarichardson said: You know what I comprehend. Your a nutbar!!! He said he was not expected to be there and offered to add something to the song later after the (bodyguard incident)
I remember reading this in Rolling Stone. Your going by what Qunicy Jones is saying which really means nothing. None of us know the whole story. It is P's word against Q's. I don't give a flying fuck about what drunk ass Quincy Jones has to say anyway. If you read Quincy biography's his shit stinks too. I am not going to go into his sudden ignorance about Mike and his pedophile ways. ----- ----- That's the whole point. prince said that and lied get off his nuts quincy is a far better man than prince will ever be Fcukthepolice- My only word to this thread is I dont understand why you are apart of the prince community. You always have something bad to say...a few of your posts I have agreed with but it seems u are always on the negative and somehow trying to dig up dirt on the guy no matter how OLD and dated it is. Did he do something personally to you to make u resent and hate him so much??
Please give me a break & yourself and every1 here..I dont give two cents about this anymore..and show sum more love will ya!! U want to know the secreat of love and happiness? Love GOD with all your heart, mind soul and strength. And love your neighboor as yourself. | |
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If anyone disagrees with a view, state why. Attacking the poster, or suggesting a member doesn't belong here, because of their perspective, is ludicrous. This isn't NPG or 3121. Just using my freedom of speech.....  | |
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that shit was autopromotion for all those artist.
did they all travel to africa to help or show some respect to africa? they should have shown images of african children instead of themselves having so much fun "oh i love myself and look so good" recording that silly demagogic song if they really wanted people to get the message. | |
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1KissAtATyme said: fcukthepolice said: That's the whole point. prince said that and lied get off his nuts quincy is a far better man than prince will ever be Fcukthepolice- My only word to this thread is I dont understand why you are apart of the prince community. You always have something bad to say...a few of your posts I have agreed with but it seems u are always on the negative and somehow trying to dig up dirt on the guy no matter how OLD and dated it is. Did he do something personally to you to make u resent and hate him so much??
Please give me a break & yourself and every1 here..I dont give two cents about this anymore..and show sum more love will ya!! I have never said anything bad about Prince's music. He is a great artist and i love the music. As a man that is different and i will not ignore his behaviour just becuase he's talented BTW; yes i know people who have met prince I'm just diaapointedf in him as a human o.k. It's hard to take when you find out what your fav artist ever is really like. I wish i never knew now. I have just bout PR and controvery on vinyl though  | |
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BlaqueKnight said:[quote] laurarichardson said: Most of the money went to administative cost and did not get to any of the staving children in Africa. The effort was noble but, the excution was bad.
Feed a person they eat one day. Show a person how to grow and cultivate food and the eat everyday. Besides P has done a lot for charity he just does not talk about it in the public and maybe he felt uncomfortable with the PR around the project. It is a bit much to assume he does not care about staving people in Africa. ----- Its not always just the amount of money the cause itself brings but also the attention it draws that allow for greater efforts in the struggle. A lot of governments in Africa have major corruption and that's another issue but the idea of celebrities coming together for a great cause alone is a noble effort and egotists like Prince often put self first so often that they can't fathom the idea of being a part of something they are not in charge of. So what if he's contributed to charities? He's not alone. Almost all rich people do. That wasn't the point of "We Are The World". They could have all just written checks like they normally do and called it a day. He contributed "Hello" which was almost a slap in the face and an expression of his egotism instead of going with the flow. That makes him an arrogant bastard. The verses are full of self-absorbtion and have nothing to do with the theme of the We Are The World effort. As for the administrative flaws, that doesn't fall on the stars but rather the bookeepers, lawyers, accountants and the usual crew of f*ck-ups that make things like this more difficult. Selfishness and snide little lyrical jabs like "we're against hungry children, our records stand tall (his record didn't stand tall in that department, by the way), but there's just as much hunger here at home" - a falsehood and a change of subject? WTF? Its true Quincy is not the cleanest individual but that doesn't make him wrong on THIS ONE. If you won't be a part, just say so. Don't write a bullshit song full of misplaced focus and self-absorbtion and take a jab at the very cause you're contributing. That makes you a shallow asshole. I agree with you,BK.I like the music of "Hello" but I never liked the lyrics.Prince comes across as too defensive and doesn't really address the real issue.It sounds like he was just making excuses for his selfish behavior.And to those folks who criticize the 'We Are The World' effort....keep in mind that it at least brought attention to the hunger problems and it opened the door for Live Aid and other charities.Yes,there were some problems with the execution,but you can't blame the artists who participated.They put aside their egos and did their part. | |
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PDogz said: Just a thought: Whose career got better after appearing on "We Are The World"? I applaud all of their efforts and the problem they were trying to address, but everyone in that video and song tanked once "We Are The World" came and left. None of them came out as the stars they were going into producing that project. Prince probably saw that coming. And he did actually offer music of his own to be included in the project, which was probably the best part of that album.
'We Are The World' was not about any individual artist or their career.It was about raising money to feed the hungry and to bring attention to the hunger problems in Africa.But if you're gonna focus on what this project did to the careers of the participants,keep this in mind: Prince suffered a huge backlash for not participating and his career went downhill as well. So,I don't think he would have done his career any harm by showing up | |
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fcukthepolice said: 1KissAtATyme said: Fcukthepolice- My only word to this thread is I dont understand why you are apart of the prince community. You always have something bad to say...a few of your posts I have agreed with but it seems u are always on the negative and somehow trying to dig up dirt on the guy no matter how OLD and dated it is. Did he do something personally to you to make u resent and hate him so much??
Please give me a break & yourself and every1 here..I dont give two cents about this anymore..and show sum more love will ya!! I have never said anything bad about Prince's music. He is a great artist and i love the music. As a man that is different and i will not ignore his behaviour just becuase he's talented BTW; yes i know people who have met prince I'm just diaapointedf in him as a human o.k. It's hard to take when you find out what your fav artist ever is really like. I wish i never knew now. I have just bout PR and controvery on vinyl though Im curious..of those that did meet him..what did they say he was like? *please say something positive...please say somethin positive*   [Edited 11/13/07 5:57am] U want to know the secreat of love and happiness? Love GOD with all your heart, mind soul and strength. And love your neighboor as yourself. | |
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why would prince want to be on 'we are the world'?
he disliked these fake attempts at charity publicity by pop acts then and thought he was way, way better than them anyway. remember, it was the 80s and prince was god. imagine prince singing one line on 'we are the world' and watching it get usurped by michael jackson and quincy jones? why should he? I think if people seriously wanted him in on the song, they should have given him some more importance and involved him in the writing/production. anyways, that album is shit. the only good song is '4 the tears in your eyes', and it's by you know who. the only other song which comes close is springsteen's 'trapped'. Funky alien | |
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1KissAtATyme said: fcukthepolice said: I have never said anything bad about Prince's music. He is a great artist and i love the music. As a man that is different and i will not ignore his behaviour just becuase he's talented BTW; yes i know people who have met prince I'm just diaapointedf in him as a human o.k. It's hard to take when you find out what your fav artist ever is really like. I wish i never knew now. I have just bout PR and controvery on vinyl though Im curious..of those that did meet him..what did they say he was like? *please say something positive...please say somethin positive*
[Edited 11/13/07 5:57am] Unfortunately no he was horrible and rude. He deliberately ignores people and i don;t mean random strangers in the street. I mean staff helping him at the airport, cabin crew etc. People are told not top talk to him. He does not even say hello; no manners. I'll leave it at that. My sister used to live in london and also manchester; she was an air hostess at a big airline and has 'dealt' with many stars. Plus she has friends; cabin crew, pilots etc peace I can tell you mick hicknall from simply red is also a complete wanker! | |
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MajesticOne89 said: blackguitaristz said: That's what hurt Prince in the eyes of so many. What went down was Quincy already had it all set up for EVERYBODY to go straight from The Shrine in L.A to A&M Studios and lay down your vocals. We're talking about artists that were bigger than Prince THEN than Prince would ever live to be.
Besides MJ, who at this time was bigger than Prince? 1984/5 - there was no bigger rock or pop star than Prince - look at the sales. the profile, the hits, the media coverage, the tour etc - simply he had the sounds and the look of 1984/5 as to Quincy Jones - Prince has commented live in concert how Quincy slates his piano playing, only to go on and leave it in no doubt he can play the piano [Edited 11/13/07 8:13am] [Edited 11/13/07 8:14am] | |
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Well he sent Sheila,didn't he? | |
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MajesticOne89 said: blackguitaristz said: That's what hurt Prince in the eyes of so many. What went down was Quincy already had it all set up for EVERYBODY to go straight from The Shrine in L.A to A&M Studios and lay down your vocals. We're talking about artists that were bigger than Prince THEN than Prince would ever live to be.
Besides MJ, who at this time was bigger than Prince? ditto, still waiting 4 this answer | |
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