ian said:

I didn't say anything about intolerance (that's your defensiveness jumping up) but just because I don't agree with someones belief system doesn't make them an idiot either. Small thinking if you ask me.....

Prince has always spoken in cryptic mumbo jumbo that had nothing to do with religion. Is it that cryptic mumbo jumbo that bothers you OR his religion?

I'd be with you if you would say, Prince just get to the point versus he's an idiot for believing in God.

Rhondab said:

Well if you scroll up the thread, you'll see the word "intolerance" cropped up in the discussion. The discussion that you responded to.

I admit I was being needlessly rude with the word "idiot", but I'm being honest too. If someone holds views that I consider to be complete bullshit, I can't tiptoe around those views with reverance and act like the person in question is a genius. If someone believes something I think is utterly stupid, I'll probably think they're stupid too. I don't question their right to believe any old nonsense, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or treat their views as having any merit whatsoever. If you told me that you genuinely believed the world was controlled by magical spaghetti, well you'll appreciate that my opinion of you (for what it is worth) would naturally be affected by my opinion of your professed belief

This whole notion of "I believe this, it is an article of faith for me, therefore you should respect it" just reeks of anti-intellectualism and I cannot get behind that at all.



Well like I said, Prince's faith is none of my business. I'm happy he's happy. I do find many of his religious views to be repellant, offensive, and simple-minded in the extreme. Therefore, I think Prince is a bit of an idiot in some ways. He's a musical genius, clearly, and I'm sure he won't lose any sleep knowing some internet jerk disagrees with his views.
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Anxiety said:

Housequake had the text online for over a week. Where else did it come from?
Giant's site? Not. Cut and paste, baby. So busted.

pennylover said:

Yes, it is distributed by Radio One...or partnered

I just picked up the magazine on Friday and it was a great piece. It was nice to see a good portion of Prince's 90's work get some props for once. The interview was cool too. Prince sounded like he was in a cool space and it was good to read that. My only complaint was that Chris Brown's whiny little ass was on the cover. Prince deserves WAY better than that.

ian said:

I'm not sure if that's a fair connection, but
I do agree with the viewpoint that if someone
simply believes something, it does not mean
that there is proof or credibility for its existence.

I consider myself something of an "intellectual" and yet
I have faith that there is more.

I frequently doubt my own faith, but
more often than not I feel that what people
call "real" is simply a way of reducing
actual feelings to non-feeling and that
there is a deeper, constantly present
truth which is obscured by worldly
artifice, ie, what we add to
reality.

I think, like a lot of atheistic viewpoints,
your opinion and others on this thread are
somewhat generalising
and reducing individual feelings to a kind of
robes and sandals idea of what faith
or religion is about...
...and definitely there are some people
who put those ideas of religion before
a true connection with God, an
experience which I would say is
more profound. But
from the sound of his music and
though he clearly finds value in
scriptural teachings, I do think Prince's
belief goes deeper than all this and to
pick it apart from a small interview
is doing that belief some disservice.
It is my opinion that the surface details that many think
of as spirituality or religion often
seem to get confused and grouped together
with what is actually and can only be a very personal thing
which can't really be reduced to
description in worldly terms, because the worldly
viewpoint relies on proof and there is no proof of
interior feelings and experiences, only evidence and acknowledgment
that they exist.

Anyway, I think my point is that this is
what tends to happen with discussions on religion
or spirituality... many people consider what
is real as a reduction or deconstruction
of what is always, for the converted,
simply there.

Personally I think all religions
are in some way a reflection of that deeper
truth which people call God.





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Rhondab said:

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ian said:

why do I feel like saying blah, blah, blah to all of this....

Its just as idiotic to reduce to name calling when you don't agree with a belief system. I'm all for disagreeing with the belief. Understand, I don't have an issue with that aspect of it.

As I've said, Prince can get on a nerve talking in code and all of that but it reeks just as much "anti-intellectualism" to call someone stupid, idiotic, etc because you don't subscribe to the same beliefs. Prince is an idiot for so many other reasons


mrdespues

Rhondab said:

mmm-kay.

Copycat said:

So you're saying Housequake is the only entity on Earth with access to a copy of Giant Magazine and a keyboard? Huh. Sounds plausible to me...

sosgemini said:

you've added so much to the convo....mmmmm-thanks

Nice!

Rhondab said:

Rhondab said:

I agree he has always be semi religious, now he is a JW (extremist?). Somehow, I don't think JW is a good match for Prince. It just does not go with his music or image, it is like career suicide.
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ian said:

Perhaps that is what makes him like us very human, I couldn't stand him if he was otherwise.
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lspear76 said:

What is your problem...I don't know what's out there...but you don't know that for sure...there could be a GOD out there. You're acting like your opinions on GOD are right...

Anxiety said:

The thread author's silence speaks volumes, Anxiety, as well as your attempts to avoid a serious discussion on the origins of the interview. It doesn't matter. The interview was old news by the time he cut and pasted it here anyhow. Keep up the good work.
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pplrain said:

Yeah. He has hardly been seen or heard of since his conversion aound 2000. No tours, no releases, no T.V. appearances... no Vegas gigs...no ONA concerts;
no sold out venues in the US... no awards; nothing
He'll be broke soon...

unlucky7 said:

Good point.
and for unlucky7, Prince believed in God long before his parents died.

There is nothing wrong with Prince talking about how GOD is a part of who he is now.I have always felt that he was a deeply spiritual person.The things he said were true,if you have found your connection with whosover you believe is the supreme being.Prince is not the first entertainer to find GOD to be the instrument guiding his life,there are many.Those of us that are not entertainers, experience the same life altering awakenings.It can be unsettling to those that don't understand,or haven't reached that point in their lives yet,but hopefully more and more will.I believe that he is trying to put something on our minds, that is possitive and good,and we can all use some of that!!!

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purplecam said:

There are two covers for this month's issue--one with Chris Brown and one with Prince. If you go to the beginning of the magazine where the Letter from the Editor is, you'll see them both pictured. As of yet, I have not found the one with Prince on it, event though I have been looking.

lspear76 said:

I'm sick of anti religious cynical trolls such as yourself, that's so 10th grade, hun. If anything the bible (the old testament more than the new) are just parables that guide people on what choices to make in regards to the religion and were never meant to be taken serious. You have to understand that at the time the stories were composed history and time wasn't as you and I think of them. There was only the now so the idea that these stories were some sort of history of the world is laughable. They were just told, originally orally than written, to guide people on what God expects of them. I see nothing wrong with that.

Now the question is there a God... funny question because you think you're ohhhhh so smart by saying no. But my dear that only shows how utterly ignorant you are. Science tells us that there can be no effect without a cause. That applies to all things, just think about it a second if you haven't already. Now how do you explain your big bang. Something would've had to cause it and if it occurred before the universe existed something must exist beyond this universe. That something is your God. Rather it's a living thinking thing or some elemental reaction or natural occurance that's beyond our comprehension, that something in a sense is God. That has nothing to do with religion just common sense. If it wasn't a living thinking thing then there would have had to be something to cause that, even if it was of conscious something would've had to cause that. Where did God come from? There's many questions that goes beyond out comprehension and if you're not out researching the universe or feel you're ever gonna realistically find the answer then it's no point what so ever to think about it. Just realize that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction and for someone of even an average intellect that should be enough to say that there probably is a God more likely than not Mr. Smartypants cynic.

Help us Lord Jesus!

Anxiety said:

exactly .. Giant owns it .. no one else.. as if Giant only allowed 'one' website to post..

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Rhondab said:

Thats great that you afford equal respect to the magical spaghetti theory as any other then. Kudos.

kdj997 said:

You can't plant a theory on something you admit you don't understand. Thats ridiculous. Why not just accept our limitations and say "Who knows what factors were at play before the big bang, maybe scientific theory will one day provide greater understanding. Maybe not." No need to plant fanciful ideas like gods just because not knowing leaves you feeling powerless.

mrdespues said:

exactly