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Reply #120 posted 07/16/07 12:53pm

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Bewdy said:

lspear76 said:

What new artists are moving things forward creatively? And out of those new artists, how many will be "pushing things forward" in another 10 years? I can't wait to hear your response.


Well since you ask, I think Herbaliser is doing some mean tracks at the moment, I'm also digging boards of canada, Me'schell Nigelicelo or however you spell it, she's putting some good stuff down. The roots last three albums were blinding, and also, Paul Mc Cartneys (I believe he's been around a few years) last two solo albums were highly original, innovative and packed with emotion and new ideas. The same which I don't feel I can say about prince.

How many of these guys will still be doing it in 10 years time quite honestly does not interest me, and that is hardly a defense for a series of poor albums in my opinion, because to my ears prince aint doing it any more, at least not to the standard I fell in love with. But hey if you like it, god for you!


Hahahaha. I ask for new artists and I get Paul and "the Roots last 3 albums."
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Reply #121 posted 07/16/07 12:54pm

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sassybritches said:

Lothan said:

Did someone actually say that?

i think so. someone def said its his best since...


Lovesexy is a weak album, was a commercial disaster, and almost destroyed Prince's career.
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Reply #122 posted 07/16/07 1:02pm

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2903dad said:

lspear76 said:



I think this says more about you than Prince's music. Why would you cry over an album release? Oh, and Chaos and Disorder was a great album.


i nearly cried because i had to get up early on a sunday morning, to purchase this crap, and i could of stayed in bed!


If spending $2.80 and getting up on Sunday is that much of a hassle, by all means stay in bed. If you can't get your $2.80 worth out of this album, you're completely helpless.
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Reply #123 posted 07/16/07 1:04pm

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lspear76 said:

sassybritches said:


i think so. someone def said its his best since...


Lovesexy is a weak album, was a commercial disaster, and almost destroyed Prince's career.

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Reply #124 posted 07/16/07 1:11pm

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BobGeorge909 said:

i was able to enjoy some of the trax more once I got a clean version.


Since the half-baked lyrics are my biggest problem with this, so far -- the fact that I can't understand a few of them is actually a plus.

Heaven knows how I'll feel once I hear everything. rolleyes lol
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Reply #125 posted 07/16/07 1:56pm

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Planet Earth is no great shakes. There are a few good songs here, but no great ones. It's still the best thing he's done since Xpectation, but that really ain't saying much. Too many insipid ballads, too much raunch by rote. Prince isn't doing anything remotely daring or experimental here (3121, by comparison, was Sgt Pepper), just playing it by the numbers and catering to all the returning fans he scared away when he scrawled Slave on his face.

After Rainbow Children and Xpectation - great experimental records both - I was hoping for much more, but this is the sound of Prince coasting, making a bunch of money in doing it and loving every minute of it.
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Reply #126 posted 07/16/07 2:19pm

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Best album since Lovesexy possibly. Future Baby Mama, Chelsea Rodgers, and Somewhere Here On Earth are worthy of any Prince album.
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Reply #127 posted 07/16/07 2:32pm

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2903dad said:

lspear76 said:



I think this says more about you than Prince's music. Why would you cry over an album release? Oh, and Chaos and Disorder was a great album.


i nearly cried because i had to get up early on a sunday morning, to purchase this crap, and i could of stayed in bed!


oh please, spare me the crybaby act. you're only saying this kind of stuff
to get on my tits

lol

you can't hate it that much after one single listen. if you have been a fan
of his music for a while (how long?) you won't dismiss an album just based
on ONE listen.

or for that matter, complain about having to shell out 1 pound fuckin' 40!!

geez people.

so what exactly were you expecting -and i absolutely don't mean that in a
sarcastic or funny way. just genuine interest since you seem to be one of
the people that vehemently dislike the album lol.

what kind of album were you hoping for? what kind of songs in particular?
(perhaps a few examples of his back catalogue)...

just trying to understand how you could hate an entire prince album hmmm
i dislike the occasional songs, and i have to admit in recent years i am
disliking more and more songs with each album.

but the entire album? eek smile
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Reply #128 posted 07/16/07 2:34pm

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lspear76 said:

sassybritches said:


i think so. someone def said its his best since...


Lovesexy is a weak album, was a commercial disaster, and almost destroyed Prince's career.


you say that as if it's a bad thing

lol
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Reply #129 posted 07/16/07 3:00pm

Accujack

Planet Earth is a fantastic album. Period.

I swear to God that some of you are gonna complain no matter what Prince releases.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but saying that this album is terrible is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not prepared to call this album a masterpiece, but this album is CLASSIC Prince.

If this album was a newly discovered album of unreleased songs some of you same bitchin' motherfuckers would be raving about it.

If you don't like this album, or any songs since '88, voice your opinions then move on over to the Timberlake fansites.
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Reply #130 posted 07/16/07 3:06pm

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Accujack said:

Planet Earth is a fantastic album. Period.

I swear to God that some of you are gonna complain no matter what Prince releases.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but saying that this album is terrible is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not prepared to call this album a masterpiece, but this album is CLASSIC Prince.

If this album was a newly discovered album of unreleased songs some of you same bitchin' motherfuckers would be raving about it.

If you don't like this album, or any songs since '88, voice your opinions then move on over to the Timberlake fansites.

duh.
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Reply #131 posted 07/16/07 3:30pm

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Accujack said:

Planet Earth is a fantastic album. Period.

I swear to God that some of you are gonna complain no matter what Prince releases.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but saying that this album is terrible is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not prepared to call this album a masterpiece, but this album is CLASSIC Prince.

If this album was a newly discovered album of unreleased songs some of you same bitchin' motherfuckers would be raving about it.

If you don't like this album, or any songs since '88, voice your opinions then move on over to the Timberlake fansites.


Here we've got a point (though I don't support the "MF"). If Prince had left out the R'n'B tracks and put a sticker "Roadhouse Garden" on this record (and let it leak out as a bootleg only), people would go mad now.

The main problem with Prince is that he has just so much good material in his back catalogue that it's just hard to live up to people's expectations. Can you imagine Timberlake releasing "Planet Earth", note by note identical? Media would praise him as the second coming! "Timberlake is musically evolving", blah, blah, blah.

(Funny also that someone mentioned Paul McCartney as a "positive contrast" to Prince. The same guy who spend quite some years putting out "Wings" albums making Cliff Richard appear like a true funk soldier and "1999 - The New Master" sound like a Mozart symphony, correct?)

All I try to say is: if you dislike the album and think it's shit, fine. But the expectations many people have for Prince releases are just completely unrealistic IMO and a result rather of their tendency to glorify the little man's past rather than anything else.

I'm gonna listen to PE now...
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Reply #132 posted 07/16/07 3:35pm

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Planet Earth is no great shakes. There are a few good songs here, but no great ones. It's still the best thing he's done since Xpectation, but that really ain't saying much. Too many insipid ballads, too much raunch by rote. Prince isn't doing anything remotely daring or experimental here (3121, by comparison, was Sgt Pepper), just playing it by the numbers and catering to all the returning fans he scared away when he scrawled Slave on his face.


No offense dude, but your opinion is nonsense. If anything, PE is the album that shows signs of Prince being a little more experimental again, and 3121 and Musicology were the Prince-by-numbers albums.
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Reply #133 posted 07/16/07 4:04pm

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The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

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All of it. Everything. Is U.
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Reply #134 posted 07/16/07 4:11pm

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The album is a grower. And it is really good in a lot of ways. The problem is that Planet Earth is two albums put together. It is the lack of cohesiveness that makes it a lot harder to take.

Half is an alternate reality Revolution album. And it is musically the better half I think. The other half sounds like Emancipation tracks. Decent Emancipation tracks for the most part, but... three CDs of Emancipation is enough to last a lifetime (for me).

Part 1- The Prince, Wendy and Lisa
Planet Earth - Amazing. Great song, and I even like the middle part that everyone else has complained about. It reminds me of Parade/ATWIAD. It is adventurous and different. The lyrics are also much better than I thought they would be. I read them before I heard them sung and I thought they were weak, but in melody they are very good.

The 1 U Wanna C - Grew on me a lot. I didn't like it at first but it's tone put me off. The song itself isn't bad, even if it is simple. The Shania Twain comparisons make no sense to me though. The pseudo-country vibe is barely there. It is a rock song. It would have been better with some different instrument effects, but it is a fun song and I'm surprised to say I do like it now.

Lion Of Judah - This song is extremely well crafted but hard to listen to. Prince faces his demons. The purple rain guitar makes sense, the lack of focus on a lot of the main vocal makes sense... I think the song is extra-deliberately crafted to sound and feel the way it does. Listening to this song makes the listener feel frustration and sadness. Again, just like a lot of mid 80's Revolution work, the song conveys the emotion with the musical constructs every bit as much as the lyrics. It is adventurous and weird, purposefully less listenable than it could be, and it should be appreciated as an achievement in songwriting.

Resolution - Ok, this song isn't the strongest but it accomplishes it's goal. Maybe when you want to make an anti-war statement, simplifying it will get it's point across better. It is a decent song, but is nothing to get excited about.

*Conclusion Part 1* The Prince, Wendy & Lisa songs are a somewhat mixed bag, especially on the surface. But especially tracks like Planet Earth and Lion of Judah showcase the synergy with these three together that push the songs to more adventurous places, outside normal boundaries. A little more ballsy rock would have been nice, but I hope that these collaborations are the beginning of many more. The final results will be less predictable, but that will make future Prince more interesting. I thought new Prince songs would always be similar to Musicology, Emancipation, 3121, etc ("Oh there is the Call My Name ballad, oh there is the R&B radio attempt", etc) and some of those are still on PE, but I am pleasantly surprised to have the unexpected mixed in. I know some people are disappointed with the new W&L collaborations, but there will be no new Purple Rain. But at least there will be new places to go instead of the same old things we've been getting for the last few years.

Oh! And I can't help but notice how Prince, Wendy and Lisa sound GREAT together on the vocals. They compliment his voice so very well. I really hopes he keeps them around.

Now then...
Somewhere Here on Earth - I know this is not one of the Prince, Wendy and Lisa songs, but it deserves to be included on the "Revolution" part of the album. Like Slow Love (I know that wasn't "The Revolution" but you get my meaning), but better. The vocal effect, the STELLAR vocal itself, lyrics that I am in the process of living out in my own life, the horn, the killer piano solo. This song is a killer ballad. Jazzy ballads aren't always my style but I can't deny that this is a great song.


Part 2 - Emancipation, Or Something Like It

Future Baby Mama - R&B stations behold your new Prince single! Not bad, not great. Silky backing vocals, decent hook, a cute little rap in the middle that reminds me of how much i like when Prince talks in his songs- always poetic, but a little silly. This is a song I wouldn't mind hearing on the radio, but it probably won't last long on my Ipod.

Mr. Goodnight - Well, this song won't even make it onto my Ipod at all, but I was glad to hear it (and will listen to it a couple times more before I forget it entirely). I LOVE it when prince raps. He isn't the best rapper, but he is better at it on this song than some other attempts. When he raps, he is funny, intentionally or not. But it is alright, he has to know that he won't be taken seriously, but he commits and does it anyway. Sure the song is silly, but so is Gett Off and Sexy MF. When we hear those songs they make us smile, don't they?

Chelsea Rodgers - This song will kill live, but in the studio this song doesn't work. Remember some of that emancipation era disco? Remember the arrangements of the songs he performed on Oprah? Remember Everyday is a Winding Road? Remember the Jam of the Year tour? Add some admittedly funky horns and a Rosie Gaines sound alike and you have Chelsea Rogers. There is no substance here, but at the concert it won't matter because I'll be dancing my pants off.

*Conclusion Part 2* These songs are listenable but forgettable. They are easier to take in than the Prince, Wendy and Lisa stuff, but they don't even attempt to cover new ground. Since that is the case I have much less to say on the subject so let's move on...


The Odd Men Out

Guitar - This feels like a Gold Experience track that would have ended up on Chaos and Disorder. It is the rock that we keep hoping we'll get more of, but it is simplistic lyrically and musically. The guitar itself is good of course, but the best of it is at the very end when it is fading out. All the same, the song is super catchy, and I will listen to it for quite awhile. And I love the "you know the rest" at the end... Even Prince knows that it's a fun song but singing the chorus one more time would be overkill.

All The Midnights In The World - I'm sorry but everyone is right. There is no defense for this song. It is really, really bad. At least it is mercifully short. Even knowing how short it is, if you try to listen all the way through after your first couple PE listens, you won't make it. Your finger will take on a life of it's own and the fast forward will get pushed. no point in resisting... the song is that bad.


*Final Thoughts*
Planet Earth is both VERY good (but not quite great or excellent), and not very good at all. The Prince, Wendy and Lisa songs are all in the "favorable" column, with Planet Earth and Lion of Judah being quite excellent for songwriting and musical craftsmanship. The 1 U Wanna C and Resolution are good like the weaker tracks on a great album would still be good. I think the disjointedness of Planet Earth on the whole makes these songs sound not as good as they would seem if they were in better company. Somewhere Here On Earth is excellent as well, and Guitar is enjoyable, especially in it's position in Track #2.

Future Baby Mama and Chelsea Rodgers are ok, Mr. Goodnight is awesome for a one time play through but has no replay value, and All The Midnights in the World is horrible.

The main problem on this album is that Emancipation-type songs do not fit with the other songs at all. So besides having two totally different albums in one Prince shoved all four of the Emancipationish songs directly in the middle of the stronger more cohesive album that could have been. By the time i make it to Lion of Judah I have trouble getting back into the goodness that is going on- I'm fatigued from four songs of total mediocrity. After Lion of Judah gets me back in the mood, Resolution is a slight let down especially because I know it is the last song, and Resolution is just "ok". And just like that the album is over and all the good moments feel bitter sweet. But the good moments on Planet Earth are better than the highlights of the last two albums. The last two albums, however, may be "better" than Planet Earth because the songs had a similar vibe- they felt like albums and they were easier to digest. Planet Earth feels like an odd mix tape. But it is a good first step toward something new. Let's hope Prince stays on the path.
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Reply #135 posted 07/16/07 4:18pm

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Question for those who have the album ...

Do any of these sound like they could've been dusted-off songs out of the Vault?

My first thought when I heard that W&L were on this album is that they might've been on the originals, and that those songs are actually FROM the W&L era.

The Sheila E. inclusions also make me wonder if any are left from the SOTT/Lovesexy era.
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Reply #136 posted 07/16/07 5:14pm

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Lion of Judah = 3/10 (urrrgggh Christian Rock)
Resolution = 3/10 (Christian Rock again!)


Christian symbols are in a lot of Princes songs now, but that doesn't make them christian rock. Just because he says he loves god in Let's Pretend We're Married doesn't make that songs christian rock, does it?

Lion of Judah seems to be a lot more about himself and his relationships with the people he tries to please... the people close to him, his fans, his god and himself. A christian symbol doesn't make it christian rock...

And Resolution is clearly an anti war song.

You'll know what christian rock is when you sit through a commercial for one of those christian rock compilation cds. Prince can be preachy at times, but his songs and real christian rock are just not the same.
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Reply #137 posted 07/16/07 5:53pm

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TheAStarr said:

jaypotton said:


Lion of Judah = 3/10 (urrrgggh Christian Rock)
Resolution = 3/10 (Christian Rock again!)


Christian symbols are in a lot of Princes songs now, but that doesn't make them christian rock. Just because he says he loves god in Let's Pretend We're Married doesn't make that songs christian rock, does it?

Lion of Judah seems to be a lot more about himself and his relationships with the people he tries to please... the people close to him, his fans, his god and himself. A christian symbol doesn't make it christian rock...

And Resolution is clearly an anti war song.

You'll know what christian rock is when you sit through a commercial for one of those christian rock compilation cds. Prince can be preachy at times, but his songs and real christian rock are just not the same.


Maybe he's talking more about the music. Those 2 songs have a definite 70s rock musical vibe (Jesus Christ Superstar, Godspell, Pippin). While those weren't necessarily Christian rock, I think they were definitely influenced by it.
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Reply #138 posted 07/16/07 6:05pm

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MendesCity said:

TheAStarr said:



Christian symbols are in a lot of Princes songs now, but that doesn't make them christian rock. Just because he says he loves god in Let's Pretend We're Married doesn't make that songs christian rock, does it?

Lion of Judah seems to be a lot more about himself and his relationships with the people he tries to please... the people close to him, his fans, his god and himself. A christian symbol doesn't make it christian rock...

And Resolution is clearly an anti war song.

You'll know what christian rock is when you sit through a commercial for one of those christian rock compilation cds. Prince can be preachy at times, but his songs and real christian rock are just not the same.


Maybe he's talking more about the music. Those 2 songs have a definite 70s rock musical vibe (Jesus Christ Superstar, Godspell, Pippin). While those weren't necessarily Christian rock, I think they were definitely influenced by it.


I agree. The lion of judah is often said to be a symbol of christ, so I can see why he uses that symbol when he wants to "strike his enemies down". But I am just saying that the song is about him in some way (music or otherwise), and the symbol is just a symbol. He isn't saying "now clap your hands for Jesus! wooo!"

Again, imagery appears in Resolution but the song is about war.

I agree too that there is a 70's hippie vibe (more on Resolution than Lion of Judah, but it is there on both), so I can see how it could be viewed as christian rock in passing, but one attentive listen shows that isn't the case. Jesus Christ Superstar wouldn't be considered so close to christian rock if the subject matter of the show didn't happen to be about jesus. The same musical themes from superstar appear all over evita but i doubt anyone thinks that is christian rock at any point.

Actually, now that I think about it, the way Prince played acoustic Raspberry Beret during musicology tour sounds a lot like 70's hippie music too.
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Reply #139 posted 07/16/07 7:23pm

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This album is not groundbreaking by any means.
It sounds half like a regurgitation of some old tracks and greatest misses.
Nothing commercially accessible here although his ballads are still great even if predictable.

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Reply #140 posted 07/16/07 10:31pm

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lspear76 said:

sassybritches said:


i think so. someone def said its his best since...


Lovesexy is a weak album, was a commercial disaster, and almost destroyed Prince's career.


eek I thought I was the only one...
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Reply #141 posted 07/17/07 12:20am

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this is the worst day of my life, devoted for years to his music, i will say what everyone is afraid to say. it all sucks worst ever i'm sorry. nothing thats not been done better, years ago. it all sucks. he's bored, his religious beliefs are ridiculous, and it and the people around him have destroyed, him, whom we loved. sad
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Reply #142 posted 07/17/07 2:24am

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2903dad said:

I was so disappointed with this album i nearly cried...
...he always had the ability to make me feel something

Now there's a contradiction. He made you nearly cry didn't he?!?!?!?!?!?
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Reply #143 posted 07/17/07 2:26am

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Jochem said:

2903dad said:

I was so disappointed with this album i nearly cried...
...he always had the ability to make me feel something

Now there's a contradiction. He made you nearly cry didn't he?!?!?!?!?!?


that's cold

lol

that's like:

"our marriage sucks, my husband never makes me feel anything"

"well he broke your jaw last year, you must have felt thát!"

razz
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Reply #144 posted 07/17/07 2:45am

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IstenSzek said:

Jochem said:


Now there's a contradiction. He made you nearly cry didn't he?!?!?!?!?!?


that's cold

lol

that's like:

"our marriage sucks, my husband never makes me feel anything"

"well he broke your jaw last year, you must have felt thát!"

razz

OK, I'm sorry. It wont happen again. boxed
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Reply #145 posted 07/17/07 2:49am

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TheAStarr said:

The album is a grower. And it is really good in a lot of ways.
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Great analysis. This is one of the best reviews so far. I was somewhat confused about what to think of the album overall. Your review helped take the confusion away.
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Reply #146 posted 07/17/07 2:50am

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CAMERANEWS said:

this is the worst day of my life, devoted for years to his music, i will say what everyone is afraid to say. it all sucks worst ever i'm sorry. nothing thats not been done better, years ago. it all sucks. he's bored, his religious beliefs are ridiculous, and it and the people around him have destroyed, him, whom we loved. sad




Get in the line "Get a live here - 4 FREE!", ok?
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Reply #147 posted 07/17/07 2:50am

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Jochem said:

TheAStarr said:

The album is a grower. And it is really good in a lot of ways.
'
Great analysis. This is one of the best reviews so far. I was somewhat confused about what to think of the album overall. Your review helped take the confusion away.


it's my new mantra

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Reply #148 posted 07/17/07 2:52am

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Jochem said:

TheAStarr said:

The album is a grower. And it is really good in a lot of ways.
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Great analysis. This is one of the best reviews so far. I was somewhat confused about what to think of the album overall. Your review helped take the confusion away.



What? You needed someone else to help you decide whether you like something or not? lol
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Reply #149 posted 07/17/07 2:56am

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As an experiment, I sequenced a number of soundalike songs in Winamp...

01. 3 Chains O' Gold
Operatic squealing guitars with unintentionally hilarious lyrics.

02. Peach
Three minutes and 40-odd seconds of pop-fluff, arranged around a repeated guitar riff.

03. Power Fantastic
Dream-like jazzy and sumptuous.

04. I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man
Call it West-Coast Rock or Country-Pop, you could compile an album of this stuff quite easily. Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret or When You Were Mine would also fit quite easily.

05. Call My Name
Neo-soul.

06. Space (Universal Love Remix)
Prince does his talky-rappy singy thing over a late-night jam.

07. Graffiti Bridge
What the fuck?

08. Sleep Around
Prince goes disco! Surprisingly few instances of pure disco in his back-catalogue.

09. I Like It There
Hair metal.

10. Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad
Lightweight pop-fluff. Ooh - the chorus even sounds the same: Why you wanna resolution... How many people wanna treat me so bad...
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