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Reply #60 posted 06/26/07 6:28am

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Prince is/has been an anti-christ 4 quite some time now, and revelled in it..
The prefix 'anti' translates from the Greek not only as 'against' but also 'in place of'.
He did it 2 himself many a time, "I'm ur messiah... blahblah" and fans and followers of his music made him an anti-christ (depending on 1's individual beliefs of course) thru the idolatry etc..
I've read heard many a theory about the backmasking business, and if it interests u, and u can look past the propaganda bs thats intertwined with it, a good video to get ur hands on is titled "Rock & Roll: A Search For God". Not sure who was responsible 4 it, but an ineresting insight all the same. They study the subject in depth and make mention of many artists/songs as examples including Prince. Apparently the technique is believed 2 'preach' the message(s) in2 1's sub-conscience regardless of whether or not the listener is aware of it. Freaky stuff.
Yeah, there's some pretty good reasons I guess why Prince has turned 2 religion in his old age. IMHO, as in most cases (myself included 4 some time) religion is simply a matter of convenience. It's a quick fix, and a pretty self centered approach to repentance.
Then again, it may not b about repentance at all 4 him... Perhaps it's still all only about XPLOITATION.

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Reply #61 posted 06/26/07 9:45am

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When"Kiss" is reversed, within the within the first 30 seconds of the song playing backwards (during the part where Prince sings "You Don't Have To Be Rich To Be My Girl" at the end), you clearly hear the following: "Ssik" ("Kiss" said backwards sounds like "Sick"); You then hear Prince CLEARLY shouting "The Lord Is In My Life;" "The Lord is Coming Soon For You"

Everytime I play this song reversed it sends chills up my spine eventhough it's not a satanic message. But I can't help but wonder if and why would these artists do this intentionally?

In 1987 on the now defunct T.V. show "Eye On L.A. / Eye On America," the host Chuck Henry did a story on teens committing suicide after playing Vinyl records backwards. The most notorious albums that were played backwards were those by Led Zepplin, Megadeth, and Metallica (The same songs you guys talked about here were also mentioned on that show back in 1987).

It was when Chuck tested songs by Prince (and other artists) to see if there were hidden messages in his music, that I heard for the first time Kiss's hidden message.

Fourteen years after I saw Chuck Henry's report about about "Kiss", in 2001 a found a recording of it (from the "Under The Cherry Moon" soundtrack), copied it to my .... and I tested it for myself, reversed it, and sure enough I heard what Chuck was talking about ..... it freaked me out for days when I tried it .... I recorded it to a cd and quickly ran and told other people about it. I had even told someone about "Kiss" in a chatroom. That person just happened to have the song on his computer, and when he played it the way I suggested it (reversed through the sound recorder program), all he kept saying was "Oh my gosh...""Oh my gosh!" He was shocked out of his mind.

Again, what you here is "Sick"; and "The Lord is In My Life"; "The Lord Is Coming Soon For You"

In my opinion, if this was a deliberately intended, it is one heck of an eerie backwardmask to hear eventhough it's message is good (I think). And then as a Christian myself, I must question ... who is he calling "The Lord"? Is he referring to Jesus or Satan? --We may never know for sure this answer, but one thing I can speculate is this: It was rumored during the 1980's that Prince became a Christian after he'd been involved in some religious cults, (this is before he changed his name to a symbol and converted to being Jehovah's Witness) ...

Right. I myself had just asked that earlier in one of my posts on this very thread when I was talking about his backward track on Darling Nikki. He does NOT say God, but he says "lord". Like u, I asked in that post, is he refering to Jesus or to satan?
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Reply #62 posted 06/26/07 9:49am

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Reply #63 posted 06/26/07 9:54am

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Now I love the guy as much as anyone so don't take this as idle criticism but more speculation. I've read the comments of more than a few people who've met Prince face to face (Michael Jackson, Rick James, former associate Karen Kratinger, etc) who say that at times he gives them the creeps with his aura. Apparently, MJ commented during Purple Rain's success that he thought Prince's talents had come from the Devil himself as some sort of Faustian pact ('The Rise and Fall of Michael Jackson'). Now I put most of these comments down to pure jealousy for the most part but I must confess that occasionally I've felt some 'bad energy' (spooky electric?) listening to a few tracks like 'Temptation', the Lord's Prayer during 'Controversy' and sometimes the slowed down voice he has used in various tracks like 'Bob George' and the narrator in TRC. What do you think?


Michael Jackson also says it's the most natural thing for grown men to share their beds with young boys.....do you give that credibility too?
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Reply #64 posted 06/26/07 9:54am

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MsLegs said:

blackguitaristz said:

Another thing I had heard about years later was that satanists attached the color purple with satan. This was told by certain Christian sects. Like in this magazine The Christian Science. So taking that logic, in P's title "Purple Rain", he wasn't saying "rain" in the literal sense. But as in "reign". "Purple Reign". These were just rumors that were out in the late 80's especially. But I'll never forget that one. "Purple Rain" was code for "satan reign". That's not to far from what u said that u heard with "he's dead, he's dead. God is dead." I haven't heard that in the song.

nod I've also heard that as well. Well, if you remember in the song, I Would Die 4 You. He included the following lyrics," I'm your Messiah."

Another blasphemous line. It speaks in the bible about "false prophets". People claiming to be Christ himself and to take heed of these people. Why oh why would P sing that about himself? I can clearly see why Dez booked when he did.
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Reply #65 posted 06/26/07 10:01am

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MsLegs said:


nod I've also heard that as well. Well, if you remember in the song, I Would Die 4 You. He included the following lyrics," I'm your Messiah."

Another blasphemous line. It speaks in the bible about "false prophets". People claiming to be Christ himself and to take heed of these people. Why oh why would P sing that about himself? I can clearly see why Dez booked when he did.


wow; blackguitarist i am loosing respect for you by the minute. You are exposing yourself as a religious nut PLEASE SAY YOU ARE NOT BEING SERIOUS.

I HOPE you are being sarcastic.

That song is from the point of jesus.
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Reply #66 posted 06/26/07 10:02am

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Prince has always tried to be spooky, a lot of people think he is into voodoo weird shit.... only lately, he's completely dropped this part of the persona called "prince".... oh wait... there is a hint of it in 3121 the song.

Personally, I gravitate towards this element. I love the Black Album with it's dark, frantic, organic, ritualistic vibe.

Philosophically, I think all creative people challenge the idea of lying content and subservient of an all powerful creator.
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Reply #67 posted 06/26/07 11:39am

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blackguitaristz said:

MsLegs said:


nod I've also heard that as well. Well, if you remember in the song, I Would Die 4 You. He included the following lyrics," I'm your Messiah."

Another blasphemous line. It speaks in the bible about "false prophets". People claiming to be Christ himself and to take heed of these people. Why oh why would P sing that about himself? I can clearly see why Dez booked when he did.

nod Precisely.
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Reply #68 posted 06/26/07 12:05pm

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MsLegs said:

blackguitaristz said:


Another blasphemous line. It speaks in the bible about "false prophets". People claiming to be Christ himself and to take heed of these people. Why oh why would P sing that about himself? I can clearly see why Dez booked when he did.

nod Precisely.


precisely what?

That song is from the point of jesus

prince has always been obsessed with god
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Reply #69 posted 06/26/07 12:33pm

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. It's a quick fix, and a pretty self centered approach to repentance.

With Repentance, there's no quick fix and its not like Fast Food. Come Judgment Day the realization of this will come to fruition.
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Reply #70 posted 06/26/07 1:04pm

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shouldn't this discussion go into religion forum?
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Reply #71 posted 06/26/07 1:09pm

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lockdance



When a thread hits to close to home, the purple cool aid drinkers drink want it censored. Well isn't that special.
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Reply #72 posted 06/26/07 1:12pm

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MsLegs said:

Angelic1302 said:

lockdance



When a thread hits to close to home, the purple cool aid drinkers drink want it censored. Well isn't that special.


oh i don't want it to be closed...i want it to boil and fester b/c it's a logical discussion...i just think that it should be moved to the religion forum... wink
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Reply #73 posted 06/26/07 1:14pm

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The sea of denile runs deep. Just like the rivers of fire in Hell with SATAN!
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Reply #74 posted 06/26/07 2:45pm

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Is Prince evil?

no, he's bad. he just didn't have to write a song declaring such.
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Reply #75 posted 06/26/07 3:12pm

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blackguitaristz said:

his backward track on Darling Nikki. He does NOT say God, but he says "lord". Like u, I asked in that post, is he refering to Jesus or to satan?


From the Purple Rain tour:

"I'm so confused. I'm so confused."

"Don't be confused. There's only one Lord, Jesus."

I'm not even religious myself, but we should at least make sure we're looking at all the evidence here, huh?
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Reply #76 posted 06/26/07 3:31pm

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Negritaluvyu said:

Some of you think way to hard.
lol =] Prince is human and not evil ; now if you want to see evil .. meet my mother.


My mom 2! demon boxed
surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years...
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Reply #77 posted 06/26/07 3:36pm

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This thread makes me question the mental sanity of some of the american posters in here..... eek

Sorry to say
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Reply #78 posted 06/26/07 5:11pm

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MsLegs said:

christos7 said:

. It's a quick fix, and a pretty self centered approach to repentance.

With Repentance, there's no quick fix and its not like Fast Food. Come Judgment Day the realization of this will come to fruition.


Come Judement Day? Riiight...In the meantime, keep on keepin on.
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Reply #79 posted 06/26/07 5:24pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

This thread makes me question the mental sanity of some of the american posters in here..... eek

Sorry to say


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Reply #80 posted 06/26/07 5:32pm

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icke4presidant said:

blackguitaristz said:


Another blasphemous line. It speaks in the bible about "false prophets". People claiming to be Christ himself and to take heed of these people. Why oh why would P sing that about himself? I can clearly see why Dez booked when he did.


wow; blackguitarist i am loosing respect for you by the minute. You are exposing yourself as a religious nut PLEASE SAY YOU ARE NOT BEING SERIOUS.

I HOPE you are being sarcastic.

That song is from the point of jesus.

Please...save your respect. I don't nor have I ever wanted it from u. PLEASE, lose all respect in one second for all I give a fuck. I'm not exposing shit, except for my opinion. AND YEAH, I AM TOTALLY SERIOUS. I don't care what P's motive was. P and anyone else singing from the perspective of Jesus is blasphemous. Period. Especially in the context of a secular song. And on an album where some of P's other references are questionable. I'm far from saved but even I can see that shit's not cool. And I'm not going to sit up here and pretend I think otherwise cuz I'm not on P's jock where P can do no wrong. I'll leave the shit for you, president. "i'm losing respect by the minute." Muthafucka please! I don't know who you think you're talking to with that soap opera sounding shit.
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Reply #81 posted 06/26/07 5:36pm

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eyewishuheaven said:

blackguitaristz said:

his backward track on Darling Nikki. He does NOT say God, but he says "lord". Like u, I asked in that post, is he refering to Jesus or to satan?


From the Purple Rain tour:

"I'm so confused. I'm so confused."

"Don't be confused. There's only one Lord, Jesus."

I'm not even religious myself, but we should at least make sure we're looking at all the evidence here, huh?

We can look at it ALL, player. At least we've got your ass thinking. I can see u know "Oh no...this shit CAN'T be right...(panic) Oh wait..., wait...yes, yes,..what about from the Purple Rain tour...I'll clear this is up RIGHT now!"
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Reply #82 posted 06/26/07 5:41pm

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He's not, but I am. & I long to throttle you.

u funny!
ha haw!
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Reply #83 posted 06/26/07 6:05pm

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attention, there is one thing i would like to say people...christ, IS dead.

he died on the cross. so hearing that backwards, don't make it evil.

No, you're wrong. Christ isn't dead. He arose FROM the dead and he was born again. Now, if you don't believe in Christ then it wouldn't matter to u if Christ is alive or not.
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Reply #84 posted 06/26/07 6:19pm

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MarcelJ said:

blackguitaristz said:

Another thing I had heard about years later was that satanists attached the color purple with satan. This was told by certain Christian sects. Like in this magazine The Christian Science. So taking that logic, in P's title "Purple Rain", he wasn't saying "rain" in the literal sense. But as in "reign". "Purple Reign". These were just rumors that were out in the late 80's especially. But I'll never forget that one. "Purple Rain" was code for "satan reign". That's not to far from what u said that u heard with "he's dead, he's dead. God is dead." I haven't heard that in the song.


I haven't tried it in years. I was so shocked at the time that I threw away the single (bought it many times over again). I'm pretty sure it's the part where he sings "say say, 2000 zero zero party over, oops out of time". Play that part backwards and experiment with the speed. Ask yourself this question, why "say say", why that line? It's "yes, yes" backwards. I seem to remember the rest sounding like, "he's dead, christ is dead" And, why do we have to "say" it? Why the chant-like chorus? Why this and the apocalyptic theme of the song? The two parts I remember having backmasking were the deep voice in intro and the "say say" part. I forget which said what and I'm honestly not in a big hurry to go hear it again. The shit freaked me out then and I'm not sure I want to hear it again now.

I think it was a puzzle, a game. I don't think he took it that serious and neither did those of us who noticed. I'm actually more surprised that period hasn't been discussed more on the org. Maybe it's the fact that album art is so small these days, compared to a record cover. Have you ever looked at the 1999 cover upside down. It looks like an arrow pointing down and 666. The arrow also looks like a penis and yes, there's something shooting out of it. The guy was really dabbling with some deep sex/religious/demonic themes. I think it's brilliant and a little scary, oh and probably the coolest synth record of the era.

I checked out that chorus on 1999 in reverse. The only thing that I can hear is on the "say say", he does say "yes yes". But that's the only part that I hear. I hear no "he's dead. he's dead. Christ is dead." I listened to it several times and at different speeds. Didn't hear anything remotely backmasked except for the "yes yes" which was clear as a bell. Notice that it's only on the first chorus that P says "say say". On all of the other choruses, he sings "THEY say". Because I have always noticed this, I thought u were on to something. Which u very well may be. U were right about the "yes yes" so obviously u had played it in reversed at one point to know this. i just simply didn't hear the rest. And I checked for it on all of the choruses. When I was a kid when the song first came out. And I'm talking about the single. Before the album was even released, i used to play the intro "Don't Worry' and the end "Mommy, why does" parts backwards. I was convinced that there was something backwards there. That's a perfect place to plant a mask. I even did it again today. Nah,...don't hear anything.
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Reply #85 posted 06/26/07 6:25pm

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DaveDare79 said:

FarrahMoan said:

When it comes to backmasking, however, how many songs actually end up sounding evil? Sometimes those things seem to be coincedental rather than contemplatively conventional. Others, though, "Prince" is on his own. Can anyone tell me how "Little Red Corvette" sounded backwards? I heard that there was some controversy over this issue.


I just tried it with Sound Recorder in Windows (had to convert the MP3 file to WAV first though).

Actually this is the scariest one!

Whenever the chorus plays, it sounds exactly like "Devil, devil is..."

man, ya'll are bringing it to the table! I also checked this out. Also with the Sound Recorder in Windows. The easiest and clearest way to do this. I didn't hear it. I hear Dez clearly too. His vocals backwards sound louder. Just didn't hear it. I'm not saying that it's not there. I'm not like that. I just didn't hear it. And I played it many times, listening. Played the whole chorus section. Played the phrase all the way through. Stopped and go, fucked with the speed, the whole 9.
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Reply #86 posted 06/26/07 6:30pm

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blackguitaristz said:

eyewishuheaven said:



From the Purple Rain tour:

"I'm so confused. I'm so confused."

"Don't be confused. There's only one Lord, Jesus."

I'm not even religious myself, but we should at least make sure we're looking at all the evidence here, huh?

We can look at it ALL, player. At least we've got your ass thinking. I can see u know "Oh no...this shit CAN'T be right...(panic) Oh wait..., wait...yes, yes,..what about from the Purple Rain tour...I'll clear this is up RIGHT now!"


I confess! I came off like a jerk! Sorry about that.

But I am thinking, and it just doesn't add up for me. Not being religious, I was always struck by Prince's religious iconography, maybe moreso than someone who is religious (because it was unexpected and unusual to me). Like the Lord's Prayer in Controversy - the song was groovin' anyway, so why put it in there unless he really meant it? Or the gospel of The Ladder? Or the voiceover in the Purple Rain tour I mentioned. Or to be totally literal, how about The Cross?

I'm not tryin' to pull this whole thing down (becuase I actually do find it very interesting, and I'm not completely sure I'm right!). I'm just tryin' to understand...
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Reply #87 posted 06/26/07 6:39pm

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eyewishuheaven said:

blackguitaristz said:


We can look at it ALL, player. At least we've got your ass thinking. I can see u know "Oh no...this shit CAN'T be right...(panic) Oh wait..., wait...yes, yes,..what about from the Purple Rain tour...I'll clear this is up RIGHT now!"


I confess! I came off like a jerk! Sorry about that.

But I am thinking, and it just doesn't add up for me. Not being religious, I was always struck by Prince's religious iconography, maybe moreso than someone who is religious (because it was unexpected and unusual to me). Like the Lord's Prayer in Controversy - the song was groovin' anyway, so why put it in there unless he really meant it? Or the gospel of The Ladder? Or the voiceover in the Purple Rain tour I mentioned. Or to be totally literal, how about The Cross?

I'm not tryin' to pull this whole thing down (becuase I actually do find it very interesting, and I'm not completely sure I'm right!). I'm just tryin' to understand...

No need to apologize man. Really, I was just fucking with u. And what you're saying is valid.
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blackguitaristz said:

eyewishuheaven said:



I confess! I came off like a jerk! Sorry about that.

But I am thinking, and it just doesn't add up for me. Not being religious, I was always struck by Prince's religious iconography, maybe moreso than someone who is religious (because it was unexpected and unusual to me). Like the Lord's Prayer in Controversy - the song was groovin' anyway, so why put it in there unless he really meant it? Or the gospel of The Ladder? Or the voiceover in the Purple Rain tour I mentioned. Or to be totally literal, how about The Cross?

I'm not tryin' to pull this whole thing down (becuase I actually do find it very interesting, and I'm not completely sure I'm right!). I'm just tryin' to understand...

No need to apologize man. Really, I was just fucking with u. And what you're saying is valid.


Cool. And to be fair, even I could recognize that "I'm your messiah" was a helluva thing to say! razz
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Reply #89 posted 06/26/07 9:07pm

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Backmasking in popular music became infamous in the 1980s when fundamentalist preachers started saying that Satan was speaking to teenagers through subliminal messages hidden in rock music. One only needed to play the record backwards to hear such diabolical ranting as "It's fun to smoke marijuana", "I am Satan", "Serve the Beast for money", "I love Satan, alright. And Satan knows I love Him" and who can forget the famous, "Glory, glory to my sweet Satan, there was a little child born, it makes me sad, whose power is Satan", from Led Zeppelin’s "Stairway to Heaven".

There were 3 trains of thought at the time in regard to backmasking in popular music:

1. Satan was using musicians as demonic pawns. The messages were put in the music unwillingly by the devil himself.

2. The musicians were Satan worshipers who purposefully planted the messages into the songs.

3. Hogwash

The controversy instigated teenagers across the country to play their records backwards in search of the next new "Satanic message". Most certainly a boon for the record industry as well as record needle manufactures.

On the not-so-humorous side, the band Judas Priest actually had to defend themselves in court for the suicide pact of Raymond Belknap, 18, and James Vance, 20 in 1985.

Supposedly, the subliminal messages "Try Suicide," "Let's Be Dead," and "Do it, Do it" found on the band’s "Stained Class" album drove the youths to put shotguns to their heads and pull the trigger. Not only did the band win the lawsuit, but the case helped set a precedent. Law students study the case to this day in order to help them understand the difference between real science and junk science.

After this all unfolded musicians did what you would expect them to do. They began putting more subliminal messages into their songs on purpose. Sometimes in jest, sometimes as a marketing device and yes, even to glorify the devil.

The list is long, and many backward messages have not yet been discovered, but this playlist is a good start for those who are interested.

http://www.fiql.com/playl...ckmasking/

Incidently I'd love 2 know what the sped up voices r sayin in Bob George... hmmm
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