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Prince & Maxwell... Over the past 4 days, I've listened pretty closely to all four of Maxwell's records and thouroughly enjoyed them. I also had the pleasure of seeing him live in concert twice. He has the best live voice of any R&B/Neosoul cat by a wide margin and surrounds himself with class musicians like Wah Wah Watson (MEAN GUITARIST!) I would love to see Prince and Maxwell collaborate on either a live tour or a record (preferably live) Panties would be soaking from a joint like that! What do ya'll think? Carpenters bend wood, fletchers bend arrows, wise men fashion themselves.
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i agree
but first i want a new maxwell album already, damnit. it's been far too long and "Now" was a little disappointing for me. bring it on! and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I don't want Max and Prince together! Let Max do his own thang. I totally disliked his R Kelly song also.
I want him together with the Matthewman-team again, please. |
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HamsterHuey said: I don't want Max and Prince together! Let Max do his own thang. I totally disliked his R Kelly song also.
I want him together with the Matthewman-team again, please. hmm, yeah, the R Kelly song wasn't really über cool, no it would still be nice if he did 1 song with prince but i would have liked to see that happen about 10 years or so ago more than today. an example of a cool colaboration was "Softly Softly"..  and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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HamsterHuey said: I don't want Max and Prince together! Let Max do his own thang. I totally disliked his R Kelly song also.
I want him together with the Matthewman-team again, please. Blasphemy! I can't believe I read that shit! "Fortunate" kept Maxy in the game after "Embrya" was a commercial flop. People heard "Fortunate" and thought it was on the "Embrya" album and ran out to buy it only to realize it's on the "Life" soundtrack. "Fortunate" is a helluva ballad and Maxy, as much as I'm not an R Kelly fan, should have hired R to produce more songs on hiw "Now" album. "Fortunate" remains his biggest hit. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: HamsterHuey said: I don't want Max and Prince together! Let Max do his own thang. I totally disliked his R Kelly song also.
I want him together with the Matthewman-team again, please. Blasphemy! I can't believe I read that shit! "Fortunate" kept Maxy in the game after "Embrya" was a commercial flop. People heard "Fortunate" and thought it was on the "Embrya" album and ran out to buy it only to realize it's on the "Life" soundtrack. "Fortunate" is a helluva ballad and Maxy, as much as I'm not an R Kelly fan, should have hired R to produce more songs on hiw "Now" album. "Fortunate" remains his biggest hit. I still don't understand what people have/had against "Embrya" which is imo one of the most beautiful, sensual albums i have ever heard. Ok, one of the few better ones is his own preceding "Urban Hang Suite" so I guess that's what put people off, that he didn't top UHS in sensuality and late night crooning and all. But still, "Embrya" as a work of art on it's own, without comparison to the previous album stands up as one of the best albums in my collection. Many people say i'm silly for saying so but I just have a soft spot for that particular album since the first time i heard it. I think it's wonderful and just perfect. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: StoneCrib said: Blasphemy! I can't believe I read that shit! "Fortunate" kept Maxy in the game after "Embrya" was a commercial flop. People heard "Fortunate" and thought it was on the "Embrya" album and ran out to buy it only to realize it's on the "Life" soundtrack. "Fortunate" is a helluva ballad and Maxy, as much as I'm not an R Kelly fan, should have hired R to produce more songs on hiw "Now" album. "Fortunate" remains his biggest hit. I still don't understand what people have/had against "Embrya" which is imo one of the most beautiful, sensual albums i have ever heard. Ok, one of the few better ones is his own preceding "Urban Hang Suite" so I guess that's what put people off, that he didn't top UHS in sensuality and late night crooning and all. But still, "Embrya" as a work of art on it's own, without comparison to the previous album stands up as one of the best albums in my collection. Many people say i'm silly for saying so but I just have a soft spot for that particular album since the first time i heard it. I think it's wonderful and just perfect. "Embrya" sounded like UHS outtakes to me. No continuity. Maxy got full of himself and wanted to come out more abstract. Artists need to realize that you can't switch up that fast when you just come out. And there is no album by any artists as sensual as UHS. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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I really really like Maxwell.
I hate that he is unable to cope with his own genius. And although, in my opinion, both artists have their own idiosyncrasies, I think Prince might be good for Maxwell's overall coping skills. Then maybe Maxwell could finish a whole tour or something. . [Edited 6/28/06 9:21am] So...how's everybody doing? | |
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StoneCrib said: HamsterHuey said: I don't want Max and Prince together! Let Max do his own thang. I totally disliked his R Kelly song also.
I want him together with the Matthewman-team again, please. Blasphemy! I can't believe I read that shit! "Fortunate" kept Maxy in the game after "Embrya" was a commercial flop. People heard "Fortunate" and thought it was on the "Embrya" album and ran out to buy it only to realize it's on the "Life" soundtrack.- the thing u gotta remember about "fortunate", was that nobody even knew r. kelly wrote it till they read his name on the credits. he took that shit and made it his own and that's a rare gift 2 have if ur last name ain't isley.... 
"Fortunate" is a helluva ballad and Maxy, as much as I'm not an R Kelly fan, should have hired R to produce more songs on hiw "Now" album.-it'd be easy 4 maxwell 2 go get a big name producer and cash in but he saw somethin else and that's why 5 years later we're still talkin about this album (hint,hint) now... "Fortunate" remains his biggest hit. | |
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This would be great if they ever worked together-love them both  . | |
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diamondpearl1 said: StoneCrib said: Blasphemy! I can't believe I read that shit! "Fortunate" kept Maxy in the game after "Embrya" was a commercial flop. People heard "Fortunate" and thought it was on the "Embrya" album and ran out to buy it only to realize it's on the "Life" soundtrack .- the thing u gotta remember about "fortunate", was that nobody even knew r. kelly wrote it till they read his name on the credits. he took that shit and made it his own and that's a rare gift 2 have if ur last name ain't isley....
"Fortunate" is a helluva ballad and Maxy, as much as I'm not an R Kelly fan, should have hired R to produce more songs on hiw "Now" album .-it'd be easy 4 maxwell 2 go get a big name producer and cash in but he saw somethin else and that's why 5 years later we're still talkin about this album (hint,hint) now...
"Fortunate" remains his biggest hit. Yeah, the funny thing is after you find out R Kelly wrote it, you can hear his backing vox on the song. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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I don't like Maxwell.....A Prince wannabe, but could neverbe!!!! | |
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sexxydancer said: A Prince wannabe, but could neverbe!!!!
Pure nonesense. Maxwell sings cirles around Prince. And "Fortunate" is probably the best thing R. Kelly ever did. That's one of my favorite Maxwell jams. [Edited 6/28/06 11:33am] | |
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FRUIT CAKE ANYONE ??? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sexxydancer said: A Prince wannabe, but could neverbe!!!!
Pure nonesense. Maxwell sings cirles around Prince. And "Fortunate" is probably the best thing R. Kelly ever did. That's one of my favorite Maxwell jams. [Edited 6/28/06 11:33am] I was listening to Maxwell today in the ride. I seriously enjoy his music. There is space for more than one musician in one's life. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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"Urban Hang Suite" and "Embrya" were masterpieces.
"Now" was awful. "Fortunate" was OK. He should most definately stick with the Mattheman crew, with WahWah, Mike "Funky " Neal on Bass, and my boy, Freddie Peña on keys... That probably won't happen though. Maxwell has a wonderful voice... Yes, he's influenced by Prince (dance moves, especially), but also Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, etc. HOWEVER, he and Prince shouldn't collaborate at all. It wouldn't work. Maxwell needs 2 believe in himself, and find another way of releasing music besides Sony. That's the influence he needs from Prince. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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You're entitled to yourt opinion as far as the songs go but please lay off the purple kool-aid bullshit rhetoric regurgitation that Prince spouted about the music biz when his first CD away from his label came YEARS AFTER HE WAS ALREADY A SUPERSTAR. You have no idea what's in Maxwell's contract and how long he's locked into it or what he can and can not do. Clich'e bullshit sounds good on the surface but rarely is applicable in real life. By next year, there may only be Sony, Warner and Vivendi as far as majors go. The pathway "in" is getting narrower and narrower and many artists get stuck and if they leave the label, they're assed out. Prince built his own empire with WB's money. Smart move. Because of that move, many artists have suffered since. The majors squeeze artists much tighter than they ever did before. I hope Maxwell's next CD is a gem too but if he leaves his label we may never get to hear it. If he stays, we may never hear it either. I don't know the details of his deal.  I do know its better to start from the middle than the bottom, though. | |
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Giovanni777 said: "Urban Hang Suite" and "Embrya" were masterpieces.
"Now" was awful. "Fortunate" was OK. He should most definately stick with the Mattheman crew, with WahWah, Mike "Funky " Neal on Bass, and my boy, Freddie Peña on keys... That probably won't happen though. Maxwell has a wonderful voice... Yes, he's influenced by Prince (dance moves, especially), but also Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, etc. HOWEVER, he and Prince shouldn't collaborate at all. It wouldn't work. Maxwell needs 2 believe in himself, and find another way of releasing music besides Sony. That's the influence he needs from Prince. one thing that maxwell had over anyone else; was that he had the good sence to get out before things went bad in his songs and his craft. [Edited 6/29/06 13:42pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: You're entitled to yourt opinion as far as the songs go but please lay off the purple kool-aid bullshit rhetoric regurgitation that Prince spouted about the music biz when his first CD away from his label came YEARS AFTER HE WAS ALREADY A SUPERSTAR. You have no idea what's in Maxwell's contract and how long he's locked into it or what he can and can not do. Clich'e bullshit sounds good on the surface but rarely is applicable in real life. By next year, there may only be Sony, Warner and Vivendi as far as majors go. The pathway "in" is getting narrower and narrower and many artists get stuck and if they leave the label, they're assed out. Prince built his own empire with WB's money. Smart move. Because of that move, many artists have suffered since. The majors squeeze artists much tighter than they ever did before. I hope Maxwell's next CD is a gem too but if he leaves his label we may never get to hear it. If he stays, we may never hear it either. I don't know the details of his deal.
I do know its better to start from the middle than the bottom, though.Yo, U better NOT be talkin' 2 me, son. I'm in the biz, and I know what's up. Cliche my ass. What do U know about Sony? I know Max is locked in, and can't get out. That wasn't my point anyway. What do U know about me? I personally know alot of the cats he's played and recorded with. I'm inside, fool, so watch yourself before U spit shit out without respect. The sad thing, is that I've agreed with your stuff on this board in the past. Usually we have similar views, but U gotta go and confuse me with some ignorant, non-musician Prince fan. I dig Prince because of the music. I dig music because of music. Pick your battles a little more carefully, son. G. [Edited 6/29/06 14:19pm] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Hey.
I didn't mean 2 come off so defensively. I do agree with most of what U say. I just took offense 2 the "please lay off the purple kool-aid bullshit rhetoric regurgitation that Prince spouted about the music biz". I believe we will continue 2 be in alignment in the future, and encourage real music. Easy, G. [Edited 6/29/06 14:13pm] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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his1one said: Giovanni777 said: "Urban Hang Suite" and "Embrya" were masterpieces.
"Now" was awful. "Fortunate" was OK. He should most definately stick with the Mattheman crew, with WahWah, Mike "Funky " Neal on Bass, and my boy, Freddie Peña on keys... That probably won't happen though. Maxwell has a wonderful voice... Yes, he's influenced by Prince (dance moves, especially), but also Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, etc. HOWEVER, he and Prince shouldn't collaborate at all. It wouldn't work. Maxwell needs 2 believe in himself, and find another way of releasing music besides Sony. That's the influence he needs from Prince. one thing that maxwell had over anyone else; was that he had the good sence to get out before things went bad in his songs and his craft. [Edited 6/29/06 13:42pm] how many works do you know? www.prince-online.com it's a trip. [Edited 6/29/06 14:17pm] | |
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his1one said: his1one said: one thing that maxwell had over anyone else; was that he had the good sence to get out before things went bad in his songs and his craft. [Edited 6/29/06 13:42pm] how many works do you know? www.prince-online.com it's a trip. [Edited 6/29/06 14:17pm] Wait. That link doesn't "work"... Hit me. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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I know quite a bit about Sony although I'm not privy to Max's personal contract. I'm sure he's locked in. Its never as simple as "just quit and do your own thing" with them. In the past few years we went from 7 major labels to 3. Mergers have been occuring left and right and now EMI will soon become part of WB. Do you know how many venues these majors have bought up along with Clear Channel as of late? They are going to take away the only other source a working musician has - the gigs. Since they aren't making as much on CDs anymore, they're attacking musicians' only true source of income. Prince knows this. the "purple kool-aid bullshit rhetoric regurgitation" that I spoke of comes from Prince, not you. The hippy-simplistic "just quit" is easy to say when you have a multi-million dollar cushion to sit on. Its that kind of thinking that should be discouraged. Instead, he should be showing artists already signed how he milked Warner Bros. so they can try to do it, too. THEN QUIT. When you have a strong fanbase and venues that will welcome you because they know you will bring in the $$$, then quit. Max needs to gig more. He hasn't covered enough ground in his career (in my opinion) doing the live thing to drop his label yet. Maybe his dough is proper and he doesn't have to? I don't know. I'm not his accountant. I just know what's going on in the biz and I know Prince dished out some bad advice. I'm not fond of hearing it repeated, so forgive me if I came off harsh. New artists shouldn't sign unless they are going the pop route and are trying to get on Mtv. Established artists need to be using these labels to create their nest eggs before they option out. There are far more failure stories in the music biz than success stories. I'd really hate to see Maxwell become one of them. The brotha is gifted. | |
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Giovanni777 said: "Urban Hang Suite" and "Embrya" were masterpieces.
"Now" was awful. "Fortunate" was OK. He should most definately stick with the Mattheman crew, with WahWah, Mike "Funky " Neal on Bass, and my boy, Freddie Peña on keys... That probably won't happen though. Maxwell has a wonderful voice... Yes, he's influenced by Prince (dance moves, especially), but also Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, etc. HOWEVER, he and Prince shouldn't collaborate at all. It wouldn't work. Maxwell needs 2 believe in himself, and find another way of releasing music besides Sony. That's the influence he needs from Prince. Urban Hang Suite, Embrya and Now simply brilliant peices of work. 9suprised to see you didn't like that one) To this day the song "Lifetime" gets me choked up brilliant and real and speaks to me all at the sametime. You don't like "Lifetime"? [Edited 6/29/06 17:08pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I know quite a bit about Sony although I'm not privy to Max's personal contract. I'm sure he's locked in. Its never as simple as "just quit and do your own thing" with them. In the past few years we went from 7 major labels to 3. Mergers have been occuring left and right and now EMI will soon become part of WB. Do you know how many venues these majors have bought up along with Clear Channel as of late? They are going to take away the only other source a working musician has - the gigs. Since they aren't making as much on CDs anymore, they're attacking musicians' only true source of income. Prince knows this. the "purple kool-aid bullshit rhetoric regurgitation" that I spoke of comes from Prince, not you. The hippy-simplistic "just quit" is easy to say when you have a multi-million dollar cushion to sit on. Its that kind of thinking that should be discouraged. Instead, he should be showing artists already signed how he milked Warner Bros. so they can try to do it, too. THEN QUIT. When you have a strong fanbase and venues that will welcome you because they know you will bring in the $$$, then quit. Max needs to gig more. He hasn't covered enough ground in his career (in my opinion) doing the live thing to drop his label yet. Maybe his dough is proper and he doesn't have to? I don't know. I'm not his accountant. I just know what's going on in the biz and I know Prince dished out some bad advice. I'm not fond of hearing it repeated, so forgive me if I came off harsh. New artists shouldn't sign unless they are going the pop route and are trying to get on Mtv. Established artists need to be using these labels to create their nest eggs before they option out. There are far more failure stories in the music biz than success stories. I'd really hate to see Maxwell become one of them. The brotha is gifted.
Now that's the kind of Truth that this forum needs, my friend. I took what U said before personally, and thank U much 4 clearing that up. Man, U couldn't have said the above any better, or more accurately. This is what I meant when I said that I am usually in agreement with your points of view, my brother. Unfortunately, the state of the business of music these is reflected in what we're hearing in the mainstream, fast food, non-singin', non-lyrical R&B and Rap (can't even call it Hip-Hop anymore) that the youth R being saturated with. It just ain't the same as the late '80s, early '90s R&B and Hip-Hop, that was creative, diverse and exciting. ...and yes... Max does need 2 gig more. I know 2 of his former musical directors, and it seems like everyone, including the players (musicians) R wondering why he decided 2 get reclusive. Brother is gifted, though... That voice does need 2 be heard. [Edited 6/29/06 18:27pm] "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Giovanni777 said: "Urban Hang Suite" and "Embrya" were masterpieces.
"Now" was awful. "Fortunate" was OK. He should most definately stick with the Mattheman crew, with WahWah, Mike "Funky " Neal on Bass, and my boy, Freddie Peña on keys... That probably won't happen though. Maxwell has a wonderful voice... Yes, he's influenced by Prince (dance moves, especially), but also Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, etc. HOWEVER, he and Prince shouldn't collaborate at all. It wouldn't work. Maxwell needs 2 believe in himself, and find another way of releasing music besides Sony. That's the influence he needs from Prince. Urban Hang Suite, Embrya and Now simply brilliant peices of work. 9suprised to see you didn't like that one) To this day the song "Lifetime" gets me choked up brilliant and real and speaks to me all at the sametime. You don't like "Lifetime"? [Edited 6/29/06 17:08pm] I do like "Lifetime", and a few other tracks... but the album, as a whole, was disappointing 2 me. As the last thing he left us with, it's disappointing. Kinda like going from Sade's 'Love Deluxe' 2 'Lovers Rock'... watered down, and not as inspired. Ironic, considering Sade is actually one of Maxwell's biggest influences. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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BIf Maxwell sings circles around Prince as u claim, where is he now? Probably on one of vh1's "Where r they now"episodes!!! Don't kid urself-he could never be as good as Prince!!It's all about longevity and staying power!!!!! Hope u enjoyed Maxwell while he lasted!!!HA!! laqueKnight said: sexxydancer said: A Prince wannabe, but could neverbe!!!!
Pure nonesense. Maxwell sings cirles around Prince. And "Fortunate" is probably the best thing R. Kelly ever did. That's one of my favorite Maxwell jams. [Edited 6/28/06 11:33am] | |
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sexxydancer said:[quote]BIf Maxwell sings circles around Prince as u claim, where is he now? Probably on one of vh1's "Where r they now"episodes!!! Don't kid urself-he could never be as good as Prince!!It's all about longevity and staying power!!!!! Hope u enjoyed Maxwell while he lasted!!!HA!!laqueKnight said:[quote]
So you think talent and popularity are the same thing? I can't even have an intelligent conversation with you about singers. Come back when your musical I.Q. is a few points higher. Go listen to Musicology...or worse - 3121.  | |
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Giovanni777 said: Alexandernvrmind said: Urban Hang Suite, Embrya and Now simply brilliant peices of work. 9suprised to see you didn't like that one) To this day the song "Lifetime" gets me choked up brilliant and real and speaks to me all at the sametime. You don't like "Lifetime"? [Edited 6/29/06 17:08pm] I do like "Lifetime", and a few other tracks... but the album, as a whole, was disappointing 2 me. As the last thing he left us with, it's disappointing. Kinda like going from Sade's 'Love Deluxe' 2 'Lovers Rock'... watered down, and not as inspired. Ironic, considering Sade is actually one of Maxwell's biggest influences. His last album, Now, was quite disappointing to me as well. Although it had some great joints on there, it just didn't have the substance the others had. I think he tried to return to the glory of his classic Urban Hang Suite album, but it just didn't work. He will never do anything as compelling or chilling as Embrya or UHS, IMHO... Check me out and add me on:
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Maxwell came to perform a few years ago in Toronto and I was behind Roy Thomson Hall,the gig where he was performing. His band was sitting outside just chilling. I started talking to Wah Wah Watson about music and I brought up Prince, Wah Wah Watson shot me a disgruntled look and says, "Prince is alright, nothing special". I guess Wah Wah Watson has not seen a lot of Prince concerts, maybe bases his opinion on early Prince that he has seen? | |
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