VinnyM27 said:

Oh, I agree. The new one is in the middle of the artistic visions of Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher. The one with Michelle Pfeiffer is still the best.

But I didn't really care much for the first Batman flick, so I am not paying for a double DVD of a boring movie just to get a couple of Prince videos. I am still waiting on that complete Prince video DVD collection from Warners.
[Edited 7/28/05 1:24am]

FunkMistress said:

Those JACKALS!

Anxiety said:

I made that one without Tony and I don't want him to be jealous. Buttman and Rubbin' is a COMPLETELY different project.

moonshine said:

I can't believe anyone, especially someone familiar with the comics, would actually like those gawd-awful Schumacher films. Batman & Robin is the worst movie I've ever seen, period. Ed Wood made better flicks than that.

scififilmnerd said:

Fucking horrible movie.

JediMaster said:

I think Batman Begins had a good story and was nicely filmed--it was a much more realistic looking Batman film as opposed to Tim Burton's more fanciful projects. My problem with the movie was casting Christian Bale as Batman. He just didn't look right to me and I kept focusing on that in every scene with him in the costume. Oh well.

sextonseven said:

He seemed more like James Bond than Batman.

But it was Katie Holmes who ruined it for me. That silly girl... - Ha! Ha! Ha!
[Edited 7/28/05 7:27am]

JediMaster said:

No.

It's the best!

Look: - "Life's a bitch, now so am I!"

I didn't hear any memorable dialogue like that in the latest one.
[Edited 7/28/05 8:23am]

I think it did blow up. Was a success both box office and critically, wasn't it?

sosgemini said:

scififilmnerd said:

What was her real name?

sextonseven said:

To me, Bale looked like he stepped off the comic page. He's the first actor to grasp the Bruce Wayne facade vs Batman persona concept.

scififilmnerd said:

Or my favorite line of hers, "I want to be instrumental in his degradation."

Damn.

kookie said:

Wasn't it Selina Kyle like in the books?

JediMaster said:

I thought his jaw was too pointy. Batman's jaw should be more square. And he seemed to always speak out of the side of his mouth. He had a funny lip shape too. And it sounded like he had a bit of a lisp...

I was obviously analyzing his look way too much.

scififilmnerd said:

(Sigh). Have to go through this again, do we? First off, cheesy dialogue is what ruined those flicks for me. That ISN'T Batman.

The whole plot of the second film is so contrived. Let's see, Christopher Walken is an evil department store owner who is building a power plant that steals power instead of generating it (huh?). He decides to team up with the Penguin and make him mayor. Somehow, the Penguin has blueprints for the Batmobile (guess Alfred sold them on E-Bay so he'd have money to buy porn or something), so he frames Batman. Batman, after playing DJ with a CD (you can scratch with a CD?), manages to reveal that the Penguin is a bad guy (but doesn't ever clear his own name). Catwoman, apparently, is like The Crow, and supernaturally comes back to life after Walken throws her through a window. She teams up with Penguin, but they wind up fighting because she won't put out. Chaos ensues, and Batman winds up fighting a bunch of Penguins with rocket launchers on their backs. Wait...eyes glazing over....


The acting is superb, and the sets and costumes are quite good, but the story is a mess. I liked it quite a bit back when it came out, but it hasn't aged well. The best thing about it is that cool Siouxsie track.

sextonseven said:

Selina Kyle, both in the comics and this film (although, Pfieffer's Catwoman has a VERY different origin from her comic counterpart). While I hated her origin in this film, I did like her performance. Of course, the film didn't spend nearly enought time on her or Batman, and wasted oodles of time on Penguin.


Hey, it was ten thousand times better than the Catwoman film with Halle Barry. Of course, what isn't?

JediMaster said:

Ugh. I took one look at Halle's costume when the studio released the photo months in advance and thought 'this movie is going to be very very bad'.

Admittedly, I haven't seen 'Catwoman' so it's possible that it could be my new favorite movie of all time.

But I doubt it.

sextonseven said:

Dude, the trailer alone was enough to keep me away! I had read a script review a few months before it was released, and was aghast at how shitty it was! They ditched Selina Kyle completely, and gave her "cat powers". Bloody awful!

JediMaster said:

Why even call the film 'Catwoman' if it has nothing to do with Catwoman?

sextonseven said:

EXACTLY!

scififilmnerd said:

You will be waiting for a very long time I predict.

sextonseven said:

Yeah. Something tells me DVDs will be obsolete long before Prince gives WB the go-ahead on that one!

JediMaster said:

But would he have to? Wouldn't Warners own the rights to the videos just as they do to the songs? I mean, if Prince is so dead-set against WB releasing his videos on DVD, then why give them all the Purple Rain, UTCM, Graffiti Bridge, and Batman videos? It seems like they could release an amazing double disc DVD of all his released videos and make a very nice chunk of change on it.

Or maybe I just want it so badly that I'm making any rationalization I think will make it so...
[Edited 7/28/05 14:01pm]

renfield said:

I think Prince and Warner Bros. are on such bad terms now that that isn't enough of an incentive for them to release his vids on DVD.

I can understand rereleasing the Prince and Batman films to capitalize on recent events. That's a no-brainer. As for releasing his other promo clips separately, unless Prince's next album sells over 10 million copies, I don't see it happening any time soon.

JediMaster said:

Well, if you put it that way.

But I still think it's a lovely christmas movie.

And may I remind you that Batman Begins was a rejected plot for a James Bond film in which James infiltrates the training camp of evil villain Ernst Blofeld. After leaving Blofeld for dead, he thinks his mission is completed and continues his playboy ways, only it turns out that the man he thought was Blofeld wasn't really Blofeld and the real Blofeld arrives in London with a plan to annihilate every citizen by releasing drugs into the water supply to make people go crazy and kill themselves. But thanks to a helping hand from the latest Bond babe and the trusty M and Q, Bond manages to save the day.
[Edited 7/29/05 1:21am]

sextonseven said:

I can be patient.

Besides, it's not all-important to me. I've got most of the eighties videos taped from TV.

renfield said:

Nope. WB can release the vids from the films, since they fall under the promotional materials for the films. Most of the other vids are in Prince's possession.

scififilmnerd said:

I see the Bond comparison, but comic fans have been making that comparison for years with his gadgets and what-not. Bruce Wayne's public persona in the comic IS that of a playboy. All they did was adapt what was already there. About the only complaint you have that I see as valid was Lucius Fox being in the Q role.

I don't agree at all that Ra's Al Ghul was just a Bond villian. In fact, he was quite true to his comic counterpart, and WAAAAAYY too understated to be a Bond villian.

JediMaster said:

Oh yeah!!!!!Michelle Pfeiffer!

"I think Prince and Warner Bros. are on such bad terms now that that isn't enough of an incentive for them to release his vids on DVD. "

I am not so sure. Warner Bros. definitely tried to capitalize on Prince's "Musicology" succeess by releasing his 3 films during the tour.