Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

crimesofparis said:

purplerabbithole said:

Wendy's resentment against the industry --- I get that. Reminding people that she contributed to certain things during PRince's peak (in books,interviews etc for the last 30 year), I get that. But does she realize how lucky she has been compared to other side men or side women? I was just looking up Michael Jackson songs and Man in the Mirror was written by people I have never even heard of. I knew who Wendy and Lisa were when I was a kid.

"Man in the Mirror" was co-written by Glen Ballard, right? I knew who that guy was when I was 12 -- but I always read album credits and was an Alanis fan. He produced Jagged Little Pill.

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There's a singer/songwriter I like a lot named Neko Case, and she has a song called "I'm From Nowhere" that talks about life as a mucisian a bit. It has the line "You say I'm 'lucky to be here' But I've been driving for 21 days."

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Yeah, there are lucky people in this industry and there are unlucky people. Clearly at least Lisa feels like they did a pretty good job. But they also worked really hard. To say someone's lucky to be in their position as a living musician is kind of an insult to two women who have been grinding their nose to the industry and working hard for close to 40 years.

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And frankly, I think they had tough luck. Getting dropped by labels who didn't know what to do with them, thinking they were gonna get a break with some big producer who turned out to be a nightmare? I think their solo career was ahead of their time. Imagine if they'd come off of their time with Prince to a music business that was a little more female-friendly, like 1996 and Lilith Fair.

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In short, yeah, I'm sure she knows she's lucky that Prince decided to make them a plot point in Purple Rain, but both of those women have worked really hard to have the post-Prince careers they've had.

How is that reproach in any way (especially since Prince is the bad guy in many ways in Purple Rain)?

All I am saying is that must people be in anti-Wendy or pro=Wendy camps at all? Its like party-line politics or something. Wendy is the not a saint or sinner. She is human and therefore sometimes she is probably right and sometimes she is probably wrong.

UncleJam said:

None of them are above reproach...I just dont see why folks are so anti-Wendy. We've all heard the stories about Wendy being the one who always talked shit to Prince, always had an opinion that she vocalized...wasnt that the reason she was given the scene in Purple Rain? "I'm soooo tired of this....I'm really tired of it!" It's just Wendy being Wendy...

purplerabbithole said:

I do respect them for forgiving his homophobic crap around 2000 and maybe to a lesser extent in 2009. But did it ever occur to anyone that Prince made up for his behavior and earned their forgiveness? He did work with them again (on Planet Earth, in live performances) and I know they never renounced their lifestyles.

As for the Time and the Family, unless Wendy was angry for Susannah, it has nothing to do with the Revolution. And yes, I think he had his reasons.

Since when has Prince ever been above reproach. I would argue that reproach was in large supply where Prince was concerned when he was alive. Did many of these folks not feature in less in kind books about Prince while he was alive?

His associates seem to be above approach however. I don't get it.

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All of your points are legit.

Its a matter of perspective though. THe complaints sound more legit when you also acknowledge your advantages and things that you are grateful for.

Prince has been called to task for writing slave on his face and doing what Leeds described as thinking of himself as the slave even though he was the master. But if he is guilty of a lack of prespective, so is Wendy to some extent. Prince, after all, had to work pretty hard to get what he wanted as well.

crimesofparis said:

purplerabbithole said:

All I know is that many people would give their right arms to be Emmy winning composers of tv scores or even to be on the cover of the Rolling Stone 30 years ago. Wendy and Lisa are doing well. I imagine that most of the time they do realize that. But sometimes, it does seem like folks are a bit jealous of Prince's success. Well, they at least get to live past the age of 57 with family and friends around them (whom they can trust) when they finally kick the bucket. Lisa's stated that she has back problems dating back to her days with the Revoluton. Not to diminish her pain, but does it really compare to the pain Prince experienced from years dancing his ass off in high heels

Just because they've got all their limbs doesn't mean they didn't probably sacrifice a lot. Just doing their current tour they're sacrificing time with their families. Didn't Wendy miss her kid's birthday? Not to mention that they'd probably make more money scoring TV shows.

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And just because they're still alive and have less awful physical pain doesn't mean their complaints are real, that they're now allowed to wish their solo careers had been better. That's like saying a woman can't complain about making less than a man because some poeple don't even have jobs.

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Also, who wouldn't be a little jealous of Prince's success? You can be a little jealous and happy for someone at the same time. Happy that someone you love is doing well but also wanting that for yourself -- that feels really valid to me.

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Who said he was ungrateful? Where did you get this notion?

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That is not being insecure, that is how a lot of humans are. I mean you are a woman? most women like to hear 'I love you' what is wrong with that. Don't you think children like to hear that, or parents or lovers? friends etc'

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Yeah you have a gripe against the Revolution it seems. You need to go to a show. I don't think you have enough time put in really to conclude that. You have to read more.

purplerabbithole said:

See, what I don't get is the notion that PRince was that ungrateful but they still told him how much they loved him over and over again. Why?

Also,did he not tell the public about them? Did he not pubically state that they were very talented folks to the public (even the Purple Rain movie implies that.) Were they not focused on in that Rolling Stone cover. Wendy sounds a bit insecure if she needed him to tell her to her face. As for musical credits, he may have been inconsistent where this was concerned, but they were part of the Revolution band and when I was a kid (and almost completely clueless about Prince other than being a casual fan), I figured that prince and the Revolution were basically a band until Prince decided to go solo. I imagine a lot of casual fans assumed the same thing. To be honest, she and Revolution members were very kind on the liner notes,but from what I can gather from other interviews I have read, even though they acknowledge his talent, they don't seem to imply that they learned anything of musical value from him.

Wendy's resentment against the industry --- I get that. Reminding people that she contributed to certain things during PRince's peak (in books,interviews etc for the last 30 year), I get that. But does she realize how lucky she has been compared to other side men or side women? I was just looking up Michael Jackson songs and Man in the Mirror was written by people I have never even heard of. I knew who Wendy and Lisa were when I was a kid.

crimesofparis said:

I don't think that makes it sound like she's still angry at all. Her quote there is probably a direct response to a particular question, which might have been "How did you feel when you got fired?"

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Then intensity? That's just her personality, it seems like. I don't really mind it, and it makes for a more interesting interview subject, but I've worked with people who are that intense, and it's uh ... pretty exhausting for me, personally.

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I watched the videos, and it kinda looked like she choked up when she said she just wanted to get a thank you from him, and that she never got it. It's also a pretty normal thing for people to want -- a thank you from someone they spent years working with. I'd be pretty bummed if my boss literally never told me thank you for my work, or that he thought I was great at what I did.

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But that's not everyone's love language. My husband shows you he loves you by doing things like, I dunno, pumping up my bike tires and charging my tail light so my ride into work is safer, rather than telling you he does all the time. But even knowing that and accepting that your way of communicating respect, love, thankfullness is different than another person, it can be tough. There's always that element of "I know you love me and appreciate me" but damn, it feels good to hear it.

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In that Rolling Stone cover story, didn't Wendy and Lisa say that they told Prince they loved him all the time and that he never really knew what to say back? Sounds like they're the type of people who like to verbally communicate those feelings, and Prince just showed it by hiring you or putting your contributions on a record, or even giving you a writing credit every once in awhile. It's tough, and if they wanted that verbal "thank you" too, well, I think that's a really valid feeling.

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But they are not blaming Prince for anything. When talking about the industry, they are talking about how things went when people were trying to market them.

I don't think they are trying to make a case. They are just being interviewed.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

crimesofparis said:

"Man in the Mirror" was co-written by Glen Ballard, right? I knew who that guy was when I was 12 -- but I always read album credits and was an Alanis fan. He produced Jagged Little Pill.

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There's a singer/songwriter I like a lot named Neko Case, and she has a song called "I'm From Nowhere" that talks about life as a mucisian a bit. It has the line "You say I'm 'lucky to be here' But I've been driving for 21 days."

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Yeah, there are lucky people in this industry and there are unlucky people. Clearly at least Lisa feels like they did a pretty good job. But they also worked really hard. To say someone's lucky to be in their position as a living musician is kind of an insult to two women who have been grinding their nose to the industry and working hard for close to 40 years.

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And frankly, I think they had tough luck. Getting dropped by labels who didn't know what to do with them, thinking they were gonna get a break with some big producer who turned out to be a nightmare? I think their solo career was ahead of their time. Imagine if they'd come off of their time with Prince to a music business that was a little more female-friendly, like 1996 and Lilith Fair.

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In short, yeah, I'm sure she knows she's lucky that Prince decided to make them a plot point in Purple Rain, but both of those women have worked really hard to have the post-Prince careers they've had.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

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So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

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If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

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Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

crimesofparis said:

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

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So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

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If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

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Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

Purplerabbithole, had the opportunity to see the band live in her city. She didn't. She should have.

For some reason she holds the Revolution members to some high standard.
People here are reading it the way they want. There is no where in that video that after the break up period did she talk about Prince and Prince being the reason their career didn't go as the people hoped. As Lisa said the shows were sold out.

Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period

Their time with Prince pre-dates those other ladies. I guess their solo careers were around the same times as ME and KDL.

I am going to get ripped for this one but here goes. W and L have nice singing voices, but Etheridge and especially KD Lang (truely great singer) have strong memorable singing voices. W and L are probably better composers and musicians than they are performers. NOt everyone can be the star. I am not sure why everyone would want to be.

crimesofparis said:

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

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So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

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If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

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Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

Quit talking for me. NOt seeing the Revolution is not some kind of crime in Prince world. Now, if Prince had come to the Vogue theater in 2014 and did a small show for 30 bucks down the street from where I worked and I was a big fan at the time and I didn't even attempt to get tickets, then by all means, take away my Prince fanhood membership.

My views on the Revolution are much more measured now than they were (and I explained that part of my reason for not going was that it would be sad seeing them without Prince) but I partly didn't want to see them because I didn't think I would enjoy the shows as much without Prince's involvement.

OldFriends4Sale said:

crimesofparis said:

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

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So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

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If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

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Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

Purplerabbithole, had the opportunity to see the band live in her city. She didn't. She should have.

For some reason she holds the Revolution members to some high standard.
People here are reading it the way they want. There is no where in that video that after the break up period did she talk about Prince and Prince being the reason their career didn't go as the people hoped. As Lisa said the shows were sold out.

And who did Wendy want a thank you from??

OldFriends4Sale said:

But they are not blaming Prince for anything. When talking about the industry, they are talking about how things went when people were trying to market them.

I don't think they are trying to make a case. They are just being interviewed.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

She was just talking about her feeling from back then. They were just talking about how the break went. They've obviously moved on. I mean in the full picture, why is this a problem?

Lisa said in another interview I read some years ago, when she realized that she wouldn't be coming back to Minneapolis(that way) she just broke down and cried.

They've talked about how those years were non stop. A whirlwind of time. and if you look at the timeline from 1978-1987/88 it really was. Sometimes before an tour was finished another album was out. Videos performances etc. It probably seemed like a lifetime. So if you watched the video she is just saying the end was so abrupt, thank you might have made it a little easier.

And PRH, I'm not going to cut you any slack. You are a johnny come lately. You seem to be championing Prince and attacking the Revolution like something doesn't make sense. I'm just being straight up with you. From the start you were about credit this and who did that credit, did they say this etc. All the years of stuff I've heard and read, that it is like we are supposed to catch you up. I hope you are not some media or estate person.

purplerabbithole said:

And who did Wendy want a thank you from??

OldFriends4Sale said:

But they are not blaming Prince for anything. When talking about the industry, they are talking about how things went when people were trying to market them.

I don't think they are trying to make a case. They are just being interviewed.

I'm not talking for you. This is what you told me out in the open on the org.

You need to go see them and meet them, since you seem to scrutinize them to such extremes.

But you were not a Prince fan in 2014. So I cannot. you jumped on the tree Prince A.D.

But you did not enjoy Prince when he was alive, so how would you know if you would enjoy them?
The experience would not just be the band it would be being in a building full of Prince fans who were there in the time.

purplerabbithole said:

Quit talking for me. NOt seeing the Revolution is not some kind of crime in Prince world. Now, if Prince had come to the Vogue theater in 2014 and did a small show for 30 bucks down the street from where I worked and I was a big fan at the time and I didn't even attempt to get tickets, then by all means, take away my Prince fanhood membership.

My views on the Revolution are much more measured now than they were (and I explained that part of my reason for not going was that it would be sad seeing them without Prince) but I partly didn't want to see them because I didn't think I would enjoy the shows as much without Prince's involvement.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Purplerabbithole, had the opportunity to see the band live in her city. She didn't. She should have.

For some reason she holds the Revolution members to some high standard.
People here are reading it the way they want. There is no where in that video that after the break up period did she talk about Prince and Prince being the reason their career didn't go as the people hoped. As Lisa said the shows were sold out.

Everyone with great singing voices cannot be lead stars either. Hell Vanity didn't have the voice but she had the charisma. Jill had a good voice but Prince told her she had no charisma.

All styles of music don't need for the person to be Beyonce. Look at Madonna. Not many people can touch her performances though. And there are a lot of fans who thing one of the other ladies in the Supremes should have been bigger than Diana.

purplerabbithole said:

Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period

Their time with Prince pre-dates those other ladies. I guess their solo careers were around the same times as ME and KDL.

I am going to get ripped for this one but here goes. W and L have nice singing voices, but Etheridge and especially KD Lang (truely great singer) have strong memorable singing voices. W and L are probably better composers and musicians than they are performers. NOt everyone can be the star. I am not sure why everyone would want to be.

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

.

So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

.

If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

.

Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

purplerabbithole said:

Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period

Their time with Prince pre-dates those other ladies. I guess their solo careers were around the same times as ME and KDL.

I am going to get ripped for this one but here goes. W and L have nice singing voices, but Etheridge and especially KD Lang (truely great singer) have strong memorable singing voices. W and L are probably better composers and musicians than they are performers. NOt everyone can be the star. I am not sure why everyone would want to be.

Hah! True. kd lang's voice is a force of nature compared to almost anyone's.

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BUT, kd and Melissa didn't have that luck Wendy and Lisa did. Or did they have more? By being born with atomic voices? Luck/work/talent gets pretty blurry.

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I like Wendy and Lisa's voices just fine. You're right, they're nice, but not totally special on their own. Perfect for what early 90s college radio. I think what they lack when compared to kd lang they make up for in strong phrasing and delivery. But yeah, very few people are on the same level as kd.

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Though, once I saw a woman with a voice even more perfect and powerful and emotional than kd lang's. It was in a Nashville Karaoke bar. People were crying and going nuts. That lady isn't ever going to be a star. The industry is unfair.

Even though Prince had to contend with being kind of short nobody not from LA or NYC, Prince had a combo of talent, hard work, charisma, good looks, and true stage presense--- and yet half of his music is not even listened to (and to many, he's been a has-been since 1989). Vanity had serious charisma but limited talent...therefore she didn't have anything close to longevity. I don't think W and L would necessarily want Vanity's career.

Even in college bands or alternative rocks bands, there is a charismatic lead man or woman even if he/she plays off being shy or disinterested. Kurt Cobain understood how to use his anti-charisma form of charisma. Michael Stipes used his oddball quirkiness. Courtney Love used her punkiness and film acting (kind of like a predeccesor of hers--Joan Jett). All those girly singer songwriters from the 90's used her folksy coquetishness (SIC).

W and L did have some bad breaks, they were a bit older, both are attractive (I think LIsa is prettier of the two however) but are not supermodels, they had to deal with homophobia and sexism, and their music wasn't going to be for everyone who was accustomed to Prince 's style. But in such a hard industry for anyone (especially women but not just limited to women), their hard work has paid off even if not in the way they intended. I imagine the pay for scoring tv shows is pretty decent and it sounds like even Prince envied their job. I wonder why they don't make it their goal to score films. Rather than try to live up the Prince's rock status, why not be the next female John Williams??

Madonna is a shit singer (not a fan of minnie mouse voice, sorry) but damn that girl is industry savvy, a solid performer, understands the value of shock and has relatively good taste in music. She has tons of charisma. But even her career isn't what it used to be.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Everyone with great singing voices cannot be lead stars either. Hell Vanity didn't have the voice but she had the charisma. Jill had a good voice but Prince told her she had no charisma.

All styles of music don't need for the person to be Beyonce. Look at Madonna. Not many people can touch her performances though. And there are a lot of fans who thing one of the other ladies in the Supremes should have been bigger than Diana.

purplerabbithole said:

Their time with Prince pre-dates those other ladies. I guess their solo careers were around the same times as ME and KDL.

I am going to get ripped for this one but here goes. W and L have nice singing voices, but Etheridge and especially KD Lang (truely great singer) have strong memorable singing voices. W and L are probably better composers and musicians than they are performers. NOt everyone can be the star. I am not sure why everyone would want to be.

Yeah. I'm also a woman. Who's in the industry. Not sure where anyone is saying Prince is the reason their solo career didn't take off. In those videos, it sounds like blaming the industry.

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But sometimes early success like that is impossible to pivot from. That's probably why more singers from The Voice and American Idol aren't owning the Billboard charts. That's as much an albatross as a positive tool to leverage. They did say that people were expecting Prince songs. When that's not what they came out with ... whelp.

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Industry success is a mix of luck, who you know, and, lastly, talent. If you want to be a professional musician, you don't get luckier than being the daughter of the president of NARAS/Wrecking Crew members. Unless, of course, Prince hires you and gives you a major role in Purple Rain.

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So, yeah, they're lucky, but literally everyone who makes it in the industry is lucky. But that's usually nothing without hard work (though sometimes it is, which sucks).

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If you want people to awknowledge their advantages, then every single white male performer who's ever had a hit should say "I'm a dude, and attractive, and the system benefits me greatly!" Do you like those people less for that? "I'm just really lucky to be a white guy." Actually, I'd LOVE that.

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Psh about being lesbians. Who doesn't know who Melissa Etheradge is? Or kd lang? Basically household names, women, lacked conventional sex appeal, and are out lesbians. Roughly same time period.

I am not a Revolution fan. I am a Prince fan...whether its Prince and the Revolution or Prince and NPG,...it don't matter to me.I find strengths and weaknesses in both eras.

There is no one way to be a fan. You be a fan your way. I will be a fan my way. We argued about this earlier and I admit that I came off like I was saying you were a Prince and the Revolution fan but not a Prince fan. That was unfair of me and I apologize. But let me be a fan as I please. If you think I am jumping on a bandwagon, why? I hate to say it but Prince is not really a musican who holds up in popular opinion to people like Michael Jackson. Also, I am not going to feel that nostalgic connection because I wasn't around to experience it. Its not there for me. It is Prince who drew me in (with his living computer as Wendy referred to the Revoluton). Without Prince, it just doesn't connect to me. I am glad the fans are enjoying the Revolution for whatever reason they are there--fans are there because it comes from a pure place.

By all means, if you feel I am being unfair about the Revolution, then set me straight. But not going to their concert doesn't discredit me as a Prince fan. . I am not in an anti-Revolution club(and my view on them is more favorable now than it used to be). But like someone else said on his site, it can't always be Prince's fault in every scenerio or disagreement from the past. His associates are humans too and not just a bunch of martyrs. Maybe, someone ought to play devil's advocate sometimes (the devil in this case being prince.).

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm not talking for you. This is what you told me out in the open on the org.

You need to go see them and meet them, since you seem to scrutinize them to such extremes.

But you were not a Prince fan in 2014. So I cannot. you jumped on the tree Prince A.D.

But you did not enjoy Prince when he was alive, so how would you know if you would enjoy them?
The experience would not just be the band it would be being in a building full of Prince fans who were there in the time.

purplerabbithole said:

Quit talking for me. NOt seeing the Revolution is not some kind of crime in Prince world. Now, if Prince had come to the Vogue theater in 2014 and did a small show for 30 bucks down the street from where I worked and I was a big fan at the time and I didn't even attempt to get tickets, then by all means, take away my Prince fanhood membership.

My views on the Revolution are much more measured now than they were (and I explained that part of my reason for not going was that it would be sad seeing them without Prince) but I partly didn't want to see them because I didn't think I would enjoy the shows as much without Prince's involvement.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

dodger said:

OldFriends4Sale said: So because I gave my opinion on her interview and you don't agree you make the assumption I don't like her - now who's being dodgy. . So would that mean you dislike Andre because you don't agree with certain comments he made and now he's playing with the NPG. Like I said I see your point on that. . Maybe W&L&S are friends of yours, that would explain why you defend them at all costs. . Ie when you dismissed Prince's Ebony interview and comments on who The Beautiful Ones was about by saying it was invalid because of (speculative) 'pain meds and (very speculative) early Alzheimer's' because it didn't fit your narrative. I thought that was a low blow and disrespectful.

No that was straight forward

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I said what I said. I love Andre, but I have a real problem with what he said about not listening to any Prince albums after he left the band. There is no open interpretation to that. I could hate him or love him and what he said was simply that.

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oh boy here we go, are you stalking me? I don't remember you or know anything you've said outside of this thread. I'm dealing with U right here on this topic. Stay focused.

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You think and feel a lot. Well the fact is(after the fact) he was on pain meds. And according to what some have said who spoke to him, there was something dodgy about some things.
But again, if you read what I said, not what you want it to be, like you are doing about this vid, you would factually state that I said the Beautiful ONes, like a lot of other songs could easily have been about multiple inspiration. I never dismissed that it was about the character in the movie. Get if straight.

You're getting dramatic now saying I don't like Wendy and asking if I'm stalking you because I mentioned one of your recent comments that stood out as being totally out of order IMO.

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It's all getting a bit dodgy here, and I'm struggling to stay focused, so I'll say no more before you call the law for a restraining order.

All the best

Don't know what's wrong with people--I went to two Rev concerts in the past month and I will tell you it is a total celebration of Prince's music from their time with him; the band is tight and very respectful of Prince. The addition of Stokley Williams is great on some songs; he is a wonderful frontman and he doesn't take away from or try to totally emulate Prince. I wouldn't want to see anyone else do that with the band. All I can say is I saw the Rev perform at the last club where I saw Prince and it was a good way to say goodbye for me, personally. Now, I have come full-circle and it was much needed. I think the band members need it, too. It's a fond farewell... For all of us.

dodger said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No that was straight forward

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I said what I said. I love Andre, but I have a real problem with what he said about not listening to any Prince albums after he left the band. There is no open interpretation to that. I could hate him or love him and what he said was simply that.

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oh boy here we go, are you stalking me? I don't remember you or know anything you've said outside of this thread. I'm dealing with U right here on this topic. Stay focused.

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You think and feel a lot. Well the fact is(after the fact) he was on pain meds. And according to what some have said who spoke to him, there was something dodgy about some things.
But again, if you read what I said, not what you want it to be, like you are doing about this vid, you would factually state that I said the Beautiful ONes, like a lot of other songs could easily have been about multiple inspiration. I never dismissed that it was about the character in the movie. Get if straight.

You're getting dramatic now saying I don't like Wendy and asking if I'm stalking you because I mentioned one of your recent comments that stood out as being totally out of order IMO.

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It's all getting a bit dodgy here, and I'm struggling to stay focused, so I'll say no more before you call the law for a restraining order.

All the best

dodgy just like this stupid bait topic

But R u really a Prince fan...

U don't really get it, I don't think you can after the fact.(this is not accusatory)

There must be another word for people who like someones music after they pass away.

U don't get the culture.

That is why you should have had an experience with Prince fans and the musicians who were rocking purple music with Prince from 1978-1986

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Again, WHO IS BLAMING PRINCE OF SOMETHING?

purplerabbithole said:

I am not a Revolution fan. I am a Prince fan...whether its Prince and the Revolution or Prince and NPG,...it don't matter to me.I find strengths and weaknesses in both eras.

There is no one way to be a fan. You be a fan your way. I will be a fan my way. We argued about this earlier and I admit that I came off like I was saying you were a Prince and the Revolution fan but not a Prince fan. That was unfair of me and I apologize. But let me be a fan as I please. If you think I am jumping on a bandwagon, why? I hate to say it but Prince is not really a musican who holds up in popular opinion to people like Michael Jackson. Also, I am not going to feel that nostalgic connection because I wasn't around to experience it. Its not there for me. It is Prince who drew me in (with his living computer as Wendy referred to the Revoluton). Without Prince, it just doesn't connect to me. I am glad the fans are enjoying the Revolution for whatever reason they are there--fans are there because it comes from a pure place.

By all means, if you feel I am being unfair about the Revolution, then set me straight. But not going to their concert doesn't discredit me as a Prince fan. . I am not in an anti-Revolution club(and my view on them is more favorable now than it used to be). But like someone else said on his site, it can't always be Prince's fault in every scenerio or disagreement from the past. His associates are humans too and not just a bunch of martyrs. Maybe, someone ought to play devil's advocate sometimes (the devil in this case being prince.).

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm not talking for you. This is what you told me out in the open on the org.

You need to go see them and meet them, since you seem to scrutinize them to such extremes.

But you were not a Prince fan in 2014. So I cannot. you jumped on the tree Prince A.D.

But you did not enjoy Prince when he was alive, so how would you know if you would enjoy them?
The experience would not just be the band it would be being in a building full of Prince fans who were there in the time.

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Why do you think they want to live up to Princ's rock status? Where did you get that from?

Even Prince couldn't live up to his own status. Times are too different. We can never have those types of superstars again. the last 20 yrs of the music industry - pop culture has killed that possibility.

purplerabbithole said:

Even though Prince had to contend with being kind of short nobody not from LA or NYC, Prince had a combo of talent, hard work, charisma, good looks, and true stage presense--- and yet half of his music is not even listened to (and to many, he's been a has-been since 1989). Vanity had serious charisma but limited talent...therefore she didn't have anything close to longevity. I don't think W and L would necessarily want Vanity's career.

Even in college bands or alternative rocks bands, there is a charismatic lead man or woman even if he/she plays off being shy or disinterested. Kurt Cobain understood how to use his anti-charisma form of charisma. Michael Stipes used his oddball quirkiness. Courtney Love used her punkiness and film acting (kind of like a predeccesor of hers--Joan Jett). All those girly singer songwriters from the 90's used her folksy coquetishness (SIC).

W and L did have some bad breaks, they were a bit older, both are attractive (I think LIsa is prettier of the two however) but are not supermodels, they had to deal with homophobia and sexism, and their music wasn't going to be for everyone who was accustomed to Prince 's style. But in such a hard industry for anyone (especially women but not just limited to women), their hard work has paid off even if not in the way they intended. I imagine the pay for scoring tv shows is pretty decent and it sounds like even Prince envied their job. I wonder why they don't make it their goal to score films. Rather than try to live up the Prince's rock status, why not be the next female John Williams??

Madonna is a shit singer (not a fan of minnie mouse voice, sorry) but damn that girl is industry savvy, a solid performer, understands the value of shock and has relatively good taste in music. She has tons of charisma. But even her career isn't what it used to be.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Everyone with great singing voices cannot be lead stars either. Hell Vanity didn't have the voice but she had the charisma. Jill had a good voice but Prince told her she had no charisma.

All styles of music don't need for the person to be Beyonce. Look at Madonna. Not many people can touch her performances though. And there are a lot of fans who thing one of the other ladies in the Supremes should have been bigger than Diana.

purplethunder3121 said:

Don't know what's wrong with people--I went to two Rev concerts in the past month and I will tell you it is a total celebration of Prince's music from their time with him; the band is tight and very respectful of Prince. The addition of Stokley Williams is great on some songs; he is a wonderful frontman and he doesn't take away from or try to totally emulate Prince. I wouldn't want to see anyone else do that with the band. All I can say is I saw the Rev perform at the last club where I saw Prince and it was a good way to say goodbye for me, personally. Now, I have come full-circle and it was much needed. I think the band members need it, too. It's a fond farewell... For all of us.

It is a GREAT experience

I didn't say that initially. It was stated on this very thread that Wendy stated that she was resentful of not getting more rock success...I am paraphrasing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Why do you think they want to live up to Princ's rock status? Where did you get that from?

Even Prince couldn't live up to his own status. Times are too different. We can never have those types of superstars again. the last 20 yrs of the music industry - pop culture has killed that possibility.

purplerabbithole said:

Even though Prince had to contend with being kind of short nobody not from LA or NYC, Prince had a combo of talent, hard work, charisma, good looks, and true stage presense--- and yet half of his music is not even listened to (and to many, he's been a has-been since 1989). Vanity had serious charisma but limited talent...therefore she didn't have anything close to longevity. I don't think W and L would necessarily want Vanity's career.

Even in college bands or alternative rocks bands, there is a charismatic lead man or woman even if he/she plays off being shy or disinterested. Kurt Cobain understood how to use his anti-charisma form of charisma. Michael Stipes used his oddball quirkiness. Courtney Love used her punkiness and film acting (kind of like a predeccesor of hers--Joan Jett). All those girly singer songwriters from the 90's used her folksy coquetishness (SIC).

W and L did have some bad breaks, they were a bit older, both are attractive (I think LIsa is prettier of the two however) but are not supermodels, they had to deal with homophobia and sexism, and their music wasn't going to be for everyone who was accustomed to Prince 's style. But in such a hard industry for anyone (especially women but not just limited to women), their hard work has paid off even if not in the way they intended. I imagine the pay for scoring tv shows is pretty decent and it sounds like even Prince envied their job. I wonder why they don't make it their goal to score films. Rather than try to live up the Prince's rock status, why not be the next female John Williams??

Madonna is a shit singer (not a fan of minnie mouse voice, sorry) but damn that girl is industry savvy, a solid performer, understands the value of shock and has relatively good taste in music. She has tons of charisma. But even her career isn't what it used to be.

That is only someones perception. She was just talking about what they dealt with in the industry in the 90s

purplerabbithole said:

I didn't say that initially. It was stated on this very thread that Wendy stated that she was resentful of not getting more rock success...I am paraphrasing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Why do you think they want to live up to Princ's rock status? Where did you get that from?

Even Prince couldn't live up to his own status. Times are too different. We can never have those types of superstars again. the last 20 yrs of the music industry - pop culture has killed that possibility.

purplerabbithole said:

Don't oversimplify what I am saying. I am a female. I roll my eyes all the time at how the industry treats women. But is Prince honestly the biggest culprit of this shit? Their resentment toward the industry is totally understandable. But their bad luck since Prince has little to do with him.

I am not diminishing their hard work. But there are a lot of musicians who work extremely hard and never get the opportunity to compose for tv and win Emmy's. There is talent is a reason for that..but so is a bit of their luck. . There are a lot of talented people who can't even get their foot in the door. Also, are not W and L the children of studio musicians and influential musicians within the industry? Their femaleness and lack of conventional sex appeal (ie straight) were obstacles. But Prince being a poor nobody from Minnesota had its disadvantages as well. Its all relative--that is all I am saying. They would have a better case for their grievances if they also acknowledged some of their advantages.

crimesofparis said:

"Man in the Mirror" was co-written by Glen Ballard, right? I knew who that guy was when I was 12 -- but I always read album credits and was an Alanis fan. He produced Jagged Little Pill.

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There's a singer/songwriter I like a lot named Neko Case, and she has a song called "I'm From Nowhere" that talks about life as a mucisian a bit. It has the line "You say I'm 'lucky to be here' But I've been driving for 21 days."

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Yeah, there are lucky people in this industry and there are unlucky people. Clearly at least Lisa feels like they did a pretty good job. But they also worked really hard. To say someone's lucky to be in their position as a living musician is kind of an insult to two women who have been grinding their nose to the industry and working hard for close to 40 years.

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And frankly, I think they had tough luck. Getting dropped by labels who didn't know what to do with them, thinking they were gonna get a break with some big producer who turned out to be a nightmare? I think their solo career was ahead of their time. Imagine if they'd come off of their time with Prince to a music business that was a little more female-friendly, like 1996 and Lilith Fair.

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In short, yeah, I'm sure she knows she's lucky that Prince decided to make them a plot point in Purple Rain, but both of those women have worked really hard to have the post-Prince careers they've had.

a brilliant reply. Liek I said originally Princ shone a global spotlight on them & those in the industry became well aware very quickly how talent W&L were. The doors were opened & they have forged a seemingly great career. In effect this makes her attitude even worse..just bloody ungrateful!

OldFriends4Sale said:

dodger said:

You're getting dramatic now saying I don't like Wendy and asking if I'm stalking you because I mentioned one of your recent comments that stood out as being totally out of order IMO.

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It's all getting a bit dodgy here, and I'm struggling to stay focused, so I'll say no more before you call the law for a restraining order.

All the best

dodgy just like this stupid bait topic

you on fire today! Anyway, let me make this 100% clear..this is not a bait thread. It is a fully valid & in the context of Prince a very important point of discussion. There remains a lot of angst in her & it leads me & many others in my ourple circle to strongly question the motives of this so called 'healing' tour.

Are you kidding me?

Do all his 'true' fans feel the need to drive off anyone who is a new fan who doesn't want to conduct their fanhood in the same way. My not being as interested in his associates doesn't make me less interested in him. I guess since I don't prefer every Prince and The Revolution song or Time song or 80's side project over everything he did in later parts of his life, that disqualifies me as a true fan. Well, damn, I have been wasting a lot of my time the last year and a half, listening to and obsessing over someone of whom I am not really a fan. I guess I just come on this website to argue with you for no damn reason.. I wasn't around when Sinatra or the Beatles made their music either. I guess my fanhood of them is just a crock of shit.

I apologized and explained myself. I don't have any issue with the Revolution touring now. I merely explained why I wasn't able to personally bring myself to see them and why I prefer seeing old clips of Prince performing. If U2 decided to tour without bono or the Rolling Stones decided to tour without Mick, I wouldn't go see them live either even if it was to celebrate Bono and/or MIck's lives after they died. (and obviously,Mickand Bono aren't as important to the success of their bands as Prince was to his). Others might out of love for Mick and Bono, but I wouldn't want to go.

I talked to a lady who is about 47 years old and she cried like a baby when Prince died. I know someone who saw Prince live in Indianapolis in the 1980's. But both fell off of Prince after the 80's and know very few of his songs. They probably would both love to see the Revolution live. Are they bigger fans than I am?

You are obviously a massive fan of Prince (especially from the 80's), the Minneapolis scene and have a long committed fascination with Prince and his associates. I respect that. But discovering someone's brilliance after they die, doesn't mean its not legit. People are fans in different ways.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But R u really a Prince fan...

U don't really get it, I don't think you can after the fact.(this is not accusatory)

There must be another word for people who like someones music after they pass away.

U don't get the culture.

That is why you should have had an experience with Prince fans and the musicians who were rocking purple music with Prince from 1978-1986

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Again, WHO IS BLAMING PRINCE OF SOMETHING?

purplerabbithole said:

I am not a Revolution fan. I am a Prince fan...whether its Prince and the Revolution or Prince and NPG,...it don't matter to me.I find strengths and weaknesses in both eras.

There is no one way to be a fan. You be a fan your way. I will be a fan my way. We argued about this earlier and I admit that I came off like I was saying you were a Prince and the Revolution fan but not a Prince fan. That was unfair of me and I apologize. But let me be a fan as I please. If you think I am jumping on a bandwagon, why? I hate to say it but Prince is not really a musican who holds up in popular opinion to people like Michael Jackson. Also, I am not going to feel that nostalgic connection because I wasn't around to experience it. Its not there for me. It is Prince who drew me in (with his living computer as Wendy referred to the Revoluton). Without Prince, it just doesn't connect to me. I am glad the fans are enjoying the Revolution for whatever reason they are there--fans are there because it comes from a pure place.

By all means, if you feel I am being unfair about the Revolution, then set me straight. But not going to their concert doesn't discredit me as a Prince fan. . I am not in an anti-Revolution club(and my view on them is more favorable now than it used to be). But like someone else said on his site, it can't always be Prince's fault in every scenerio or disagreement from the past. His associates are humans too and not just a bunch of martyrs. Maybe, someone ought to play devil's advocate sometimes (the devil in this case being prince.).

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

dodgy just like this stupid bait topic

you on fire today! Anyway, let me make this 100% clear..this is not a bait thread. It is a fully valid & in the context of Prince a very important point of discussion. There remains a lot of angst in her & it leads me & many others in my ourple circle to strongly question the motives of this so called 'healing' tour.

I think u have fire under U, did U create a thread like this a few months back

you seem to have an issue with her, so anything she says will be taken out of context by you

No I'm not kidding you

I think there must be another word to use

purplerabbithole said:

Are you kidding me?

Do all his 'true' fans feel the need to drive off anyone who is a new fan who doesn't want to conduct their fanhood in the same way. My not being as interested in his associates doesn't make me less interested in him. I guess since I don't prefer every Prince and The Revolution song or Time song or 80's side project over everything he did in later parts of his life, that disqualifies me as a true fan. Well, damn, I have been wasting a lot of my time the last year and a half, listening to and obsessing over someone of whom I am not really a fan. I guess I just come on this website to argue with you for no damn reason.. I wasn't around when Sinatra or the Beatles made their music either. I guess my fanhood of them is just a crock of shit.

I apologized and explained myself. I don't have any issue with the Revolution touring now. I merely explained why I wasn't able to personally bring myself to see them and why I prefer seeing old clips of Prince performing. If U2 decided to tour without bono or the Rolling Stones decided to tour without Mick, I wouldn't go see them live either even if it was to celebrate Bono and/or MIck's lives after they died. (and obviously,Mickand Bono aren't as important to the success of their bands as Prince was to his). Others might out of love for Mick and Bono, but I wouldn't want to go.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But R u really a Prince fan...

U don't really get it, I don't think you can after the fact.(this is not accusatory)

There must be another word for people who like someones music after they pass away.

U don't get the culture.

That is why you should have had an experience with Prince fans and the musicians who were rocking purple music with Prince from 1978-1986

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Again, WHO IS BLAMING PRINCE OF SOMETHING?

I have since shown the clips to many people & they share the same opinion ie shocked, disgusted in her tone. Rather like Alan Leeds comments it's smacks of ingratitude, a self perception of being far more important than they were etc.

We have, on previous threads discussed her hugely disrespectful comments around subsequent band members...in summary if I may she sounds [IMHO] like a spurned ex comparing subsequent lovers to hereself. There is a big resentment that Prince did what he always did ie moved on...we ALL know the form..he does a project, it launches successfully [or not!] he sticks with it for a while & then moves on. It's what made his career endlessly interesting. She wanted them to be the Beatles..he wanted to push on..& thank God he did.

If he had stuck with W&L I am sure we would have got a few more amazing albums BUT I am not convinced his artistic growth could have been handled by Wendy, Lisa or indeed the rest of the Revolution. Indeed she was very vocal in with expanding / evolving Revolution in '86.

He immediate demand after his death [within days actually] for the estate to open the vault & release the music to them that they had done together truly disgusted many, many fans & we will never forget this.

The upshot is that we all totally respect what W&L brought to Princes sound BUT , as happens in my business when the talented ones become the egotistical ones it's often best to part quickly.