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Yes, something about anthem type songs and Middle America reaching across wide ranges of people | |
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lol. No bias in who you showed them to. I know not one fan who is dusgusted...other than you.
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right, PURPLEIZED3121 promted the person before hand, filled them with their bias and then present a clip
the previous threads discussed were also started by PURPLEIZED3121
She never said she wanted them to be the Beatles
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OF4S - she has said this previously my freind.
Zann..let me expalain slowwwwwwwly for you! - the context of this thread is based on HER words & HER tone in THIS TV programme. IMHO & other people I know & likewise others on the org we are in agreement. If you like her & her attitude that's cool - I thing she is a disgrace = MY opinion = equally cool = a subject more than worthy of GROWN UP discuss/debate. You surely cannot deny, after watching her clips that she did not come across well & ungrateful. If you care to look through the thread guys you WILL notice that I have acknowledged the contributions both W&L have made therefore my arguements are fair & balanced. Need to get the fuck out of here now as I seem to be morphing into a hybroid of Bart & Trump!! | |
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She did not want to be the Beatles. She said they were like the Beatles and what was happening in the purple camp was on that road.
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In this Beatles analogy, who is the equivalent of John, of Paul, of George and of Ringo? At the beginning of the Beatles run, I would estimate that Paul and John co-wrote about 90% of their songs. In the second half of the their run, even though their songs were credited to Lennon/McCartney, they started writing songs individually. Later day Beatles songs were about 40% Paul, 40% Lennon, 15% George, and 5% Ringo.
So bearing all that in mind, are the Beatles really an appropriate comparision.
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I'm not familiar with the quote, but when I think of something being "like the beatles" I think more of the general community than the songwriting. Like, this place where artistry is flourishing and you're with all these wonderful, talented people, making music and art. That love commune-type deal. | |
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wrong imagery. And yes it had that same imagery and 'revolutionary' effect on music. No one can deny that.
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I just wish The Revolution could stop marketing themselves as downtrodden victims. Everytime there is an article they are whining about what they didn't get or something. LIFT Prince up! LOVE him in interviews. They look like azzes whining about plaques and whatnot. | |
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where is the whining?
http://www.wweek.com/music/2017/07/12/prince-had-many-backing-bands-in-his-career-but-he-only-led-one-revolution/
Where is all the whining?
Revolution keyboardist shares untold stories from Prince's soon-to-be reissued 'Purple Rain'Revolution keyboardist Lisa Coleman talks about the expanded reissue coming Friday.
By Jon Bream Star Tribune
June 17, 2017 — 7:09pm
http://www.startribune.co...428738003/
On Prince’s involvement with this repackaging, which was reportedly in the works before his death in April 2016 “It was hard for him to ever look backwards,” Coleman said. “I can’t imagine him being involved in it. But who knows? He was such a control freak.” Nevertheless, she felt “he’d be proud of it. They [Warner Bros.] made smart choices as far as what bonus tracks to include.”
where is it?
Music calms grief over Prince: Revolution’s Melvoin and Coleman discuss reunion tour Four original members of Prince's 1980's band, the Revolution, from left, bassist Brown Mark, guitarist Wendy Melvoin, keyboarders Lisa Coleman and Matt Fink, appear before an interview April 19 in Minneapolis. [The Associated Press]
Posted Jul 2, 2017 at 6:00 AM
In the years since they played with Prince in the early 1980s, Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman have become two of Hollywood’s most prolific television composers, creating music for such shows as “Heroes,” “Prime Suspect” and “Shades of Blue.” . So it makes sense that when recalling three gigs they played last September at First Avenue in Minneapolis - the club where Prince, who died in April 2016, filmed the concert scenes for his classic “Purple Rain” movie - they described the experience in terms of a dramatic TV plot. “You know how in a murder trial they’ll say, ‘And now the victim’s going to walk through that door,’ but the murderer doesn’t look because he knows she’s dead?” Coleman asked on a recent afternoon. “We were sort of like the jury. We kept looking to the door, expecting him to come in.” Aware of how grim the metaphor was, the women laughed. , “Sorry - gallows humor,” Coleman said. “Sometimes it’s the only kind you’ve got.” Fourteen months after Prince’s shocking death at 57 from an overdose of the painkiller fentanyl, the reality has set in: The visionary musician who recruited Melvoin and Coleman as members of his band the Revolution, with whom he made “Purple Rain” and other signature hits including “Raspberry Beret” and “Kiss,” is gone forever. , Yet the Revolution is keeping Prince’s memory alive. , On Friday night, a tour by the group will stop at the Wiltern Theatre in Los Angeles, just hours after the release of a new deluxe reissue of the “Purple Rain” soundtrack album. The set includes 11 previously unissued songs from the vault Prince famously maintained at his Paisley Park estate in Minnesota - and which his family and record label have made into “a mess,” according to Melvoin. But if both projects are meant to honor Prince’s legacy, his former collaborators say they’ve also been crucial in helping them heal the wound of the singer’s absence. , “Music is a way to overcome grief,” Melvoin said as she sat next to Coleman at their studio in Hollywood. Instruments lined the walls of the place, as did several plaques commemorating gold and platinum sales of various Prince records; behind a sofa hung a poster advertising a late-’80s concert by Wendy & Lisa, the sly pop duo the women formed after the Revolution broke up following Prince’s album “Parade.” . The prospect of healing seemed a long way off when the Revolution reunited to play First Avenue last year. Today the musicians - Melvoin on guitar and Coleman on keyboards, along with drummer Bobby Z, keyboardist Matt Fink and bassist Brown Mark - remember those shows as perhaps the most painful in their lives. . “It was like a dark blanket was over the place,” Coleman said. In a separate phone interview, Bobby Z compared it to “trudging through the mud.” . Part of what made it so hard was that they’d been blindsided by Prince’s death; he’d kept his addiction a secret to nearly everyone in his life. . “Prince couldn’t be vulnerable,” said Melvoin, whose contact with the singer in recent years was limited. “So when it got the best of him, there was no way someone that powerful could say, ‘I need help.’ ” . Coleman said Prince spent his life “pruning his humanity” to become the perfect image of a rock star. “And with that you need to lose a lot of stuff. You lose relationships with people; you lose a normalcy.” She laughed again. “He just didn’t seem like the type to die.” Though the three shows weren’t fun, they did “lift a weight,” Melvoin said, which allowed the Revolution to see that hitting the road might provide a more joyful opportunity, especially for Prince fans seeking an outlet for their feelings. . “We’re basically the pit band,” Coleman said, accompanying audiences eager to belt out Prince’s songs. “It sounds so corny, but their response to every show is why we keep doing it. People come up to us with the albums they bought in the ’80s and their hands are shaking.” . Both women seemed wary of being seen as exploiting that devotion, with Melvoin insisting they’re “going broke” putting on these concerts. Nor do they want to give the impression that anyone in the Revolution is trying to step into Prince’s high-heeled boots. On tour the band won’t perform anything it wasn’t closely involved in creating, or anything that relies too heavily on the singer’s one-of-a-kind vocal presence. . “I’m not going up there and singing ‘Darling Nikki,’ ” Melvoin said, referring to the “Purple Rain” track detailing an encounter with a woman masturbating in a hotel lobby. Those concerns come in contrast with some of the jockeying for position the musicians say they’ve witnessed in the wake of Prince’s death. . “There seem to be thousands of people now who were his best friend,” said Bobby Z, whose work with the singer dates back to his earliest performances. “That’s a little mystifying to me.” Melvoin said the Prince estate “is trying to assume the role of what they think he would want. And then Warner Bros.” - the label that released many of Prince’s best-known recordings, including “Purple Rain” - “is trying to deal with who owns certain things. There’s lawsuits everywhere. It’s just awful.” . When he was alive Prince was an outspoken critic of digital streaming, yet this year much of his catalog appeared on services like Spotify and Apple Music. Asked what she thought of the development, Melvoin said she wasn’t surprised. . “Everything since he’s died has been almost the complete opposite of what I’ve ever known him to approve,” she said. . Coleman pointed out that Prince hardly left behind a clear plan. ; “It was, like, ‘Sign here that you didn’t write this song, even though I’ll credit you on it.’ And then it was, ‘Sign here that you did write this song, but you’re not getting credit,’ ” she said. “To try and figure all that stuff out now, the way he went through lawyers and managers ... ” “It’s functionally impossible,” Melvoin added. “He didn’t give us a Da Vinci code to understand it all.” Still, the women are hopeful that more music will make it out of the vault, which Melvoin likened to the enormous warehouse seen at the end of “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” . “There’s more than you could ever imagine in there,” she said, including “at least four” unheard albums by Prince and the Revolution. . Working on the “Purple Rain” reissue “brought back a lot of memories of being really creative with him,” Coleman said. “Prince was constantly saying, ‘We’re making history.’ ” Reconnecting with the Revolution to revive those songs onstage has been equally gratifying, the women said. . “This is years ago that we were a band, but I feel closer to the boys than I ever have,” Melvoin said. “I’m really grateful they’re back in my life. . “I’m grateful to Prince for that.”
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purplerabbithole said: A mentor teaches a mentoree something about their trade.. W and L never give the impression that that was the case (not in the interviews I read anyway-- I would sincerely love to read evidence to the contrary). From what I read from them,they sound like bandmates who contribute ideas and opened his mind to different musical forms but ultimately he was the general and they were the already talented ground troups being taught merely endurance and self discipline. This general they describe sounds like someone whose influence never really affected them in their own musical evolution. They often seem like experts hired for what they already knew before they were hired (like Prince was the raw talent but savvy star who hired these expert musicians to cultivate his music.) Did not Prince's funkiness rub off on any one else (mark brown maybe.)??
[Edited 7/12/17 12:32pm] Wendy was like 19 (?) when she joined the Revolution. She must have learned everything on the job, ie she learned from Prince. | |
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She does seem to be coming from somewhere that the others aren't in some of the interviews. There seems to be some resentment there. I'm glad that they are doing the Revolution tour. But, I'm having some issue with this notion that most have, including the current Revolution members, they are the only ones that really knew Prince. After the Revolution, other musicians spent a far longer time with Prince than they did. e.g Sheila E., John Blackwell, Michael Bland, etc. In fact, on an instrument-to-instrument basis, outside of Brownmark, no one in the Revolution could come close to the talent of some of the musicians that played with Prince later. I get why we all have a soft spot for the Revolution. In the 80s, music was all about the "look", and the Revolution had their own distinct look that we all wanted. But...I also get why Prince disbanded them. Great artists need to create. The Revolution had given all that they could in terms of sound, inspiration, and ideas. Hence the reason why he started to have other artists join them on stage. They were mainly a pop band. In later albums and shows, he had full blown funky jam sessions (in a way that the Revolution never could have), got back in touch with his R&B roots, and was VERY creative. I don't think he could have found that part of himself by maintaining the Revolution as his band. We would NEVER have gotten Sign of the Times, Musicology, Diamonds and Pearls, The Gold Experience, etc., with the Revolution as his band. | |
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The Revolution period and those membes and music was far from 'Pop' I love Rainbow Children... which is like Prince listening to his albums from For You - Lovesexy I could have done without Diamonds & Pearls. Too neat to clean and some other things, The Gold experience 'era' as fun, but the album fell short for me. I Hate U is 'golden'. He also remained friends with them thought his life time. So they did not stop knowing Prince after they left the band. And not many keyboardist after could touch Dr Fink. But again as Prince said in 2004 about Wendy: “She plays acoustic guitar with me better than almost anyone..." and in 1998 he said about Lisa "I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect... Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul. The Artist still raves about the original Revolution bassist, Brown Mark (who took over for Andre Simone), calling him the tightest bass player next to Graham himself. Prince said he loved Dr Finks playing because he plays like he is playing a guitar “Nobody plays drums on the song “Purple Rain” like Bobby. Never flashy or loud, he plays like a slow burn love song. Bobby’s way of playing made each live rendition of the song better than the last.”-2011 | |
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u calm down and get a real l life | |
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i dont know whether its beacuse wendy and lisa and suannah are white that people go to all ends defending them but its annoying yes they contributed and helped but listening to alot of what they say and people that were around the base majority of what was written and done was prince they might changed a chord added a flute or bell that doesnt give u the means to say i wrote that song. stevie nicks said prince tried to give her purple rain in 79 ok wendy or lisa werent around in 70 so how could u have written something that was already a base song in 79?? | |
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lol it is you that cannot even post something comprensible race baiting calm down
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cbarnes3121 said:
i dont know whether its beacuse wendy and lisa and suannah are white that people go to all ends defending them but its annoying yes they contributed and helped but listening to alot of what they say and people that were around the base majority of what was written and done was prince they might changed a chord added a flute or bell that doesnt give u the means to say i wrote that song. stevie nicks said prince tried to give her purple rain in 79 ok wendy or lisa werent around in 70 so how could u have written something that was already a base song in 79?? I read in Essence an article with Jesse Jackson? I think where he said if you are going to criticize a fellow Black person do it gently. Maybe though the criticism is so gentle it seems fake, like you really think I'm dumb enough to believe that sugar coated "criticism"? If someone is not going to be honest then I'm not listening. The people saying only good things about him always, are not worth listening to because we know he was great at everything geez tell us something new! | |
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Same old thread, makes me pine for a thread full of video stills of Andy Allo. [Edited 7/15/17 17:04pm] | |
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let's do it | |
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You have the patience of a saint to keep replying to people who think that the best criticism of the Revolution is that they would have been better if they were all replaced with Renato Nato and the Nick Jonas backing band. | |
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lol
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Wendy's problem? She belongs to a well connected Hollywood family. This gives her a sense of entitlement. She believes she deserves to be on top. It's hard for her to accept that Prince, this little punk from nowhere, totally eclipses her in terms of vision, artistry, musicianship and success in the industry. | |
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fair points made there. | |
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Come on follks. That's not cool. Defending Wendy by dismissing Neto (not Nato), Sonny Thompson, and Michael Bland (who is super talented and nice enough to actually come on this website and answer questions.) --that's a bit hypocritical, don't you think. Tommy Barbarello, I am not a big fan of, but even he is more talented than just Nick Jonas backing band. Those folks contributed some parts to his music as well. Deciding to take a relatively easy job like backing Nick Jonas (Compared to Prince, that is) doesn't make them hacks.
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Really because people are so nice to Prince on this site all the time.??? Really is that your contention? Prior to Prince's death, one would think this was not even a fan site.
As for the public sanctifying him, go on comments pages, they do not. I have not seen the newest Wendy interview but if she is feeling the need to point out his flaws,she had better hope the success she wants to achieve doesn't bring out someone from her past who wants to 'humanize' her because all human beings have characteristics they would prefer the whole world didn't know about.
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No but it's pretty funny so job well done to me imho [Edited 7/17/17 18:20pm] | |
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Where you a member before July 2016? | |
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I'm confused. U said you started following Prince after he died. You seem to be really knowledgeable of all these NPG memebers
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cbarnes3121 said:
Can you share the link where Stevie Nicks said this? Thanks [Edited 7/17/17 20:26pm] | |
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