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Reply #30 posted 06/27/17 9:24am

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Musze said:

petalthecat said:

Do u ever get the feeling that P told several ladies in his life that he'd written a song for them. Maybe this is how the confusion arose. It's like the ultimate romantic gesture. lol

U mean like he did with THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD?

Good example

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #31 posted 06/27/17 10:42am

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No one is reaching. Pay attention to the progression of the thread. Someone mentioned P could have originally been inspired to write a song about one person, but that inspiration sometimes changed over time and the final result may not have been just based on one inspiration. OF4S was just trying to give an example of how that might happen.

The person who is saying this has no proof that the inspiration changed. We know who the song was originally written for and given too. For years it was said this song was about Vanity. Because Lisa now all of suddent recalls something else means nothing.

This is the women that thinks to do this day that Prince wanted her to sound like Bette Davis the actress and not Bette Davis the singer. eek

That is such an ignorant post lol eek

Did Lisa type Bette Davis or did the person doing the interview.
I suspect Lisa Coleman knew who she was talking about and the person who

printed the interview typed the name of the person they were thinking of. nuts

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #32 posted 06/27/17 2:19pm

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here we go again,with another silly debate about Prince songs and who they were written about lol nuts why speculate on these things? Does it really matter anyway?

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Reply #33 posted 06/27/17 6:16pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Musze said:




petalthecat said:


Do u ever get the feeling that P told several ladies in his life that he'd written a song for them. Maybe this is how the confusion arose. It's like the ultimate romantic gesture. lol



U mean like he did with THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD?




Good example


No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.
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Reply #34 posted 06/27/17 6:19pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:




MoDrawersMoDrawers said:



No one is reaching. Pay attention to the progression of the thread. Someone mentioned P could have originally been inspired to write a song about one person, but that inspiration sometimes changed over time and the final result may not have been just based on one inspiration. OF4S was just trying to give an example of how that might happen.



The person who is saying this has no proof that the inspiration changed. We know who the song was originally written for and given too. For years it was said this song was about Vanity. Because Lisa now all of suddent recalls something else means nothing.



This is the women that thinks to do this day that Prince wanted her to sound like Bette Davis the actress and not Bette Davis the singer. eek






That is such an ignorant post lol eek


Did Lisa type Bette Davis or did the person doing the interview.
I suspect Lisa Coleman knew who she was talking about and the person who


printed the interview typed the name of the person they were thinking of. nuts


Lisa starts going on about watching old movies. Who was in old movies Bette the actress or Bette the funk/rock singer? She really has no idea who Prince was referencing just like she said she had no idea who Maddonna was in 1985. Clueless.
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Reply #35 posted 06/27/17 7:16pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Good example

No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.

Exactly. This song and TBOs has been settled by sources- one of them Prince himself. I don't see any benefit for Jill to make up a story like this. I'll say it again, I'm not sure why there is still a debate.

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Reply #36 posted 06/27/17 7:24pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



Musze said:




petalthecat said:


Do u ever get the feeling that P told several ladies in his life that he'd written a song for them. Maybe this is how the confusion arose. It's like the ultimate romantic gesture. lol



U mean like he did with THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD?




Good example


No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.


U are missing the point. Not disputing the Vanity story, simply that he had a pattern. May well have done it with this song too.
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Reply #37 posted 06/27/17 8:12pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Good example

No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.

Um the Most Beautiful Girl In the World song is a prime example. There are many others.

You really are not comprehending. How a songs that started out with Vanity in 1983 could also add the Melvoin twins or Susannah by 1986, and still be about Vanity as well.

What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #38 posted 06/27/17 8:26pm

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purplegirl00 said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.

Exactly. This song and TBOs has been settled by sources- one of them Prince himself. I don't see any benefit for Jill to make up a story like this. I'll say it again, I'm not sure why there is still a debate.

Purplegirl00 stay with the train of thought.
No one here is disputing the Vanity connection.
Anyone who has been a fan for 10+ years and into the hardcore background/bootleg part of this, knew that the song was about Vanity. Jill Jones did not say anything new.

But songs that stretch out over periods of time, sometimes being resurrected for something fresh are easily applied to someone else. I know a lot of lady Prince fans channel their favorite female protege and champion them, to the point they cannot see this. But men do this all the time.

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author Alex Hahn wrote a book called Possessed the Rise & Fall of Prince 2003
Many fans here read it (love it or hate it).
Page 50 Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince: Pawns

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In truth, Vanity's bravado masked deep feelings of pain and insecurity that had developed over a difficult life - particularly during a childhood when she suffered years of physical abuse from her father...

Thus, their romantic relationship, which began amidst a glow of sexual chemistry, soon became combustible. Prince continued to see other women - including her bandmate Susan Moonsie - and Vanity's fits of jealousy left him, in turn, feeling cornered... Roy Bennett. "There was no way to have a close relationship with her; she wasn't that kind of person."

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Indeed, as Prince got to know Vanity, he enjoyed her company less and less; her forward, abrasive personality annoyed him, as he tended to prefer more demure women. The unreleased song "Wonderful Ass," describing an unhinged nymphomaniac, was about Vanity, engineer (Susan)Rogers said. "He was in many ways a prude; she offended him in many ways, offended his sensibility." Rogers observed. "He liked good girls."


What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #39 posted 06/27/17 8:26pm

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Wonderful ass more than likely is about Vanity, I don't think anyone is disputing that. My point was, that if Lisa, or Susannah etc. declares they think it's about Susannah they aren't necessarily lying. It's likely P said it. There does seem to be a pattern to him wooing women that way. Wonderful ass, TBO, Strange relationship, TMBGITW, pink cashmere...more than one woman claiming the song is about them. All lying? I doubt it. P was a player!! lol
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Reply #40 posted 06/27/17 8:32pm

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is such an ignorant post lol eek

Did Lisa type Bette Davis or did the person doing the interview.
I suspect Lisa Coleman knew who she was talking about and the person who

printed the interview typed the name of the person they were thinking of. nuts

Lisa starts going on about watching old movies. Who was in old movies Bette the actress or Bette the funk/rock singer? She really has no idea who Prince was referencing just like she said she had no idea who Maddonna was in 1985. Clueless.

Looks sweets U could not get the Miko story straight, so please look in the mirror when U use the word clueless.

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And how do you know he did not want her channelling Bette Davis. Wasn't she a singer/actress from the golden era of the 40's starlets that Prince adored? She knows who he was talking about.

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Who was Jill Jones channeling in the Purple Rain movie period (it was a 40s starlett)
who are many of those images in the kids bedroom and even the faces used on the stage? (40s starletts) who did Prince liken Tamron Halls hairdo to? who is Clara Bow? that lady on the cover of the ATWIAD album, how about the one on Raspberry Beret single?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #41 posted 06/27/17 8:43pm

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Wonderful ass more than likely is about Vanity, I don't think anyone is disputing that. My point was, that if Lisa, or Susannah etc. declares they think it's about Susannah they aren't necessarily lying. It's likely P said it. There does seem to be a pattern to him wooing women that way. Wonderful ass, TBO, Strange relationship, TMBGITW, pink cashmere...more than one woman claiming the song is about them. All lying? I doubt it. P was a player!! lol

They cannot get it lol
They are team whatever female protege living vicariously through them

Prince has had double meanings and dual / triple inspirations through his whole career.

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...and Prince did have one of the world's cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy go lucky time.

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I don't see why people cannot see that that quote does not remove Vanity. She did not even say "This song is about Susannah" She is clearly saying when recording this playful inspirations from the twin girlfriends behinds helped fuel the song. All Lisa is doing is recounting the obvious verbal energy and present inspiration during that particular time of the recording of the song.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #42 posted 06/27/17 8:45pm

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Musze said:

laurarichardson said:
No it is not. We got an eyewitness telling his he put the song on a cassette and gave it to Vanity before he eve knew who Susannah was.
U are missing the point. Not disputing the Vanity story, simply that he had a pattern. May well have done it with this song too.

Right!!
Is there another quote by Lisa saying "This song is about Susannah"?
Because she never even said that.

Because if these people look at the quote as is, she is talking about Susannah & Wendy and even Prince,...

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #43 posted 06/27/17 9:07pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

purplegirl00 said:

Exactly. This song and TBOs has been settled by sources- one of them Prince himself. I don't see any benefit for Jill to make up a story like this. I'll say it again, I'm not sure why there is still a debate.

Purplegirl00 stay with the train of thought.
No one here is disputing the Vanity connection.
Anyone who has been a fan for 10+ years and into the hardcore background/bootleg part of this, knew that the song was about Vanity. Jill Jones did not say anything new.

But songs that stretch out over periods of time, sometimes being resurrected for something fresh are easily applied to someone else. I know a lot of lady Prince fans channel their favorite female protege and champion them, to the point they cannot see this. But men do this all the time.

.

author Alex Hahn wrote a book called Possessed the Rise & Fall of Prince 2003
Many fans here read it (love it or hate it).
Page 50 Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince: Pawns

.

In truth, Vanity's bravado masked deep feelings of pain and insecurity that had developed over a difficult life - particularly during a childhood when she suffered years of physical abuse from her father...

Thus, their romantic relationship, which began amidst a glow of sexual chemistry, soon became combustible. Prince continued to see other women - including her bandmate Susan Moonsie - and Vanity's fits of jealousy left him, in turn, feeling cornered... Roy Bennett. "There was no way to have a close relationship with her; she wasn't that kind of person."

.

Indeed, as Prince got to know Vanity, he enjoyed her company less and less; her forward, abrasive personality annoyed him, as he tended to prefer more demure women. The unreleased song "Wonderful Ass," describing an unhinged nymphomaniac, was about Vanity, engineer (Susan)Rogers said. "He was in many ways a prude; she offended him in many ways, offended his sensibility." Rogers observed. "He liked good girls."


There is apparently a dispute about this song, otherwise there wouldn't be need for this thread. So I'm not sure what you mean that *I* need to stay with the train of thought. You have been suggesting that this song was inspired by more than one person or started with one and ended with another. Fine, I get that and it may be the case with some of Prince's songs. I do not believe that is the case with this song. If Jill said that he gifted the song to Vanity and she WITNESSED it and Vanity playing the song before the shows of the 1999 Tour, then that means it was FOR HER and that SHE inspired the lyrics. Why are you people turning this into a convoluted mess and throwing Susannah into the mix? Who cares? Only people who have some vested interest in propping up Susannah do what you are doing. He did not gift it to her, it was not for her. The lyrics were not inspired by her. It's quite simple. The lyrics started about Vanity and ended about her.

I know many of you are HUGE Alex Hahn fans and his book are bibles on Prince. Sorry, based on his most recent book and information that was incorrect, I do not feel he is worthy resource. Susan Rogers is another one who has put out this narrative that Susannah was the one for Prince and that she was a "good and smart" girl. Look at what you quoted up above that she said about Vanity in Hahn's first book. BIG SHADE right there. disbelief

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Reply #44 posted 06/27/17 9:26pm

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purplegirl00 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Purplegirl00 stay with the train of thought.
No one here is disputing the Vanity connection.
Anyone who has been a fan for 10+ years and into the hardcore background/bootleg part of this, knew that the song was about Vanity. Jill Jones did not say anything new.

But songs that stretch out over periods of time, sometimes being resurrected for something fresh are easily applied to someone else. I know a lot of lady Prince fans channel their favorite female protege and champion them, to the point they cannot see this. But men do this all the time.

.

author Alex Hahn wrote a book called Possessed the Rise & Fall of Prince 2003
Many fans here read it (love it or hate it).
Page 50 Possessed: the Rise & Fall of Prince: Pawns

.

In truth, Vanity's bravado masked deep feelings of pain and insecurity that had developed over a difficult life - particularly during a childhood when she suffered years of physical abuse from her father...

Thus, their romantic relationship, which began amidst a glow of sexual chemistry, soon became combustible. Prince continued to see other women - including her bandmate Susan Moonsie - and Vanity's fits of jealousy left him, in turn, feeling cornered... Roy Bennett. "There was no way to have a close relationship with her; she wasn't that kind of person."

.

Indeed, as Prince got to know Vanity, he enjoyed her company less and less; her forward, abrasive personality annoyed him, as he tended to prefer more demure women. The unreleased song "Wonderful Ass," describing an unhinged nymphomaniac, was about Vanity, engineer (Susan)Rogers said. "He was in many ways a prude; she offended him in many ways, offended his sensibility." Rogers observed. "He liked good girls."


There is apparently a dispute about this song, otherwise there wouldn't be need for this thread. So I'm not sure what you mean that *I* need to stay with the train of thought. You have been suggesting that this song was inspired by more than one person or started with one and ended with another. Fine, I get that and it may be the case with some of Prince's songs. I do not believe that is the case with this song. If Jill said that he gifted the song to Vanity and she WITNESSED it and Vanity playing the song before the shows of the 1999 Tour, then that means it was FOR HER and that SHE inspired the lyrics. Why are you people turning this into a convoluted mess and throwing Susannah into the mix? Who cares? Only people who have some vested interest in propping up Susannah do what you are doing. He did not gift it to her, it was not for her. The lyrics were not inspired by her. It's quite simple. The lyrics started about Vanity and ended about her.

I know many of you are HUGE Alex Hahn fans and his book are bibles on Prince. Sorry, based on his most recent book and information that was incorrect, I do not feel he is worthy resource. Susan Rogers is another one who has put out this narrative that Susannah was the one for Prince and that she was a "good and smart" girl. Look at what you quoted up above that she said about Vanity in Hahn's first book. BIG SHADE right there. disbelief

Yeah U don't get it. Sorry but U seem invested in something. I posted right above that Susan Rogers said the song was about Vanity(this is nothing new, not knew information to long time Prince fans), but that in 1985/86 when Prince was not dating Vanity and not in the camp, the song could easily open up to playfully be about someone else. Lisa never said 'the song is about Susannah'


What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #45 posted 06/27/17 9:47pm

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Another example: Little Red Corvette

Prince dedicated the song to Denise Matthews right after she died

Vanity....

...as well as Mi-ling Stone

http://prince.org/msg/7/429527

The real little red corvette speaks out. interview

http://prince.org/msg/7/426459

How many think "Little Red Corvette" was inspired by Vanity?

http://www.citypages.com/music/meet-the-woman-who-inspired-princes-little-red-corvette/389864342

as well as driving Lisa Colemans car

What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #46 posted 06/28/17 1:19am

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petalthecat said:

Do u ever get the feeling that P told several ladies in his life that he'd written a song for them. Maybe this is how the confusion arose. It's like the ultimate romantic gesture. lol

Very good point.Prince was a player back then.He told these ladies what they wanted to hear lol

yes,darling....this song is about you....I wrote it right after we made love last night...you mean everything to me

falloff and then a few days later,he tells the same thing to the next woman he sleeps with evillol

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Reply #47 posted 06/28/17 4:19am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

purplegirl00 said:

There is apparently a dispute about this song, otherwise there wouldn't be need for this thread. So I'm not sure what you mean that *I* need to stay with the train of thought. You have been suggesting that this song was inspired by more than one person or started with one and ended with another. Fine, I get that and it may be the case with some of Prince's songs. I do not believe that is the case with this song. If Jill said that he gifted the song to Vanity and she WITNESSED it and Vanity playing the song before the shows of the 1999 Tour, then that means it was FOR HER and that SHE inspired the lyrics. Why are you people turning this into a convoluted mess and throwing Susannah into the mix? Who cares? Only people who have some vested interest in propping up Susannah do what you are doing. He did not gift it to her, it was not for her. The lyrics were not inspired by her. It's quite simple. The lyrics started about Vanity and ended about her.

I know many of you are HUGE Alex Hahn fans and his book are bibles on Prince. Sorry, based on his most recent book and information that was incorrect, I do not feel he is worthy resource. Susan Rogers is another one who has put out this narrative that Susannah was the one for Prince and that she was a "good and smart" girl. Look at what you quoted up above that she said about Vanity in Hahn's first book. BIG SHADE right there. disbelief

Yeah U don't get it. Sorry but U seem invested in something. I posted right above that Susan Rogers said the song was about Vanity(this is nothing new, not knew information to long time Prince fans), but that in 1985/86 when Prince was not dating Vanity and not in the camp, the song could easily open up to playfully be about someone else. Lisa never said 'the song is about Susannah'


You are so right. I don't get the incessant need Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Susan Rogers have to inject Susannah into every song whether by partial or full inspiration. Lisa didn't come right out and say it, but she insinuated/ suggested the idea and Jill came out to correct it. The song was written before '85/'86 so I'm not sure how all of a sudden, a song already written, comes to be inspired by someone who was not around. It doesn't make sense. And again, not saying Prince wouldn't have written songs inspired by more than one muse at the time, just saying that the song was done and gifted to Vanity already. In the end, I respect your opinion but I wasn't there, you weren't there, and neither was Susannah. Go figure. lol I'm going with Jill on this one all the way because she was there.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

purplegirl00 said:

There is apparently a dispute about this song, otherwise there wouldn't be need for this thread. So I'm not sure what you mean that *I* need to stay with the train of thought. You have been suggesting that this song was inspired by more than one person or started with one and ended with another. Fine, I get that and it may be the case with some of Prince's songs. I do not believe that is the case with this song. If Jill said that he gifted the song to Vanity and she WITNESSED it and Vanity playing the song before the shows of the 1999 Tour, then that means it was FOR HER and that SHE inspired the lyrics. Why are you people turning this into a convoluted mess and throwing Susannah into the mix? Who cares? Only people who have some vested interest in propping up Susannah do what you are doing. He did not gift it to her, it was not for her. The lyrics were not inspired by her. It's quite simple. The lyrics started about Vanity and ended about her.

I know many of you are HUGE Alex Hahn fans and his book are bibles on Prince. Sorry, based on his most recent book and information that was incorrect, I do not feel he is worthy resource. Susan Rogers is another one who has put out this narrative that Susannah was the one for Prince and that she was a "good and smart" girl. Look at what you quoted up above that she said about Vanity in Hahn's first book. BIG SHADE right there. disbelief

Yeah U don't get it. Sorry but U seem invested in something. I posted right above that Susan Rogers said the song was about Vanity(this is nothing new, not knew information to long time Prince fans), but that in 1985/86 when Prince was not dating Vanity and not in the camp, the song could easily open up to playfully be about someone else. Lisa never said 'the song is about Susannah'


Lisa said the song was about their girlfriends (meaning Wendy and Susan) unless some other women were around that we do not know about) You know damm will Lisa meant Susannah.

If you do not believe Jill then fine but it makes no sense to believe Susan Rogers or Lisa over what came out of Prince's mouth. Please also stop using Mrs. Stone because she has said only that she think LRC was about her and what T.C. Eliis told her. She does not know for certain because she never asked Prince directly.

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah U don't get it. Sorry but U seem invested in something. I posted right above that Susan Rogers said the song was about Vanity(this is nothing new, not knew information to long time Prince fans), but that in 1985/86 when Prince was not dating Vanity and not in the camp, the song could easily open up to playfully be about someone else. Lisa never said 'the song is about Susannah'


Lisa said the song was about their girlfriends (meaning Wendy and Susan) unless some other women were around that we do not know about) You know damm will Lisa meant Susannah.

If you do not believe Jill then fine but it makes no sense to believe Susan Rogers or Lisa over what came out of Prince's mouth. Please also stop using Mrs. Stone because she has said only that she think LRC was about her and what T.C. Eliis told her. She does not know for certain because she never asked Prince directly.

I posted what she said, and her expression of remembering the conversation at the time of recording the song with Prince in 1985/86.
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How do U say it had nothing to do with the continuation of the song?

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It clearly is, that also does not deminish Vanity as inspiration.
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I know some people like you maybe only see black & white. But there are 5-10 different shades of gray in between.

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Stop being so ignorant. From beginning to end I've said I've always known the song being about Vanity in 1983. I said before what Jill Jones said is not new news/
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And again U don't read you don't know anything. So we shouldn't believe Susan Rogers who said in 1983 the song was about Vanity and Prince's relationship?

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Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #50 posted 06/28/17 5:27am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Lisa said the song was about their girlfriends (meaning Wendy and Susan) unless some other women were around that we do not know about) You know damm will Lisa meant Susannah.

If you do not believe Jill then fine but it makes no sense to believe Susan Rogers or Lisa over what came out of Prince's mouth. Please also stop using Mrs. Stone because she has said only that she think LRC was about her and what T.C. Eliis told her. She does not know for certain because she never asked Prince directly.

I posted what she said, and her expression of remembering the conversation at the time of recording the song with Prince in 1985/86.
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How do U say it had nothing to do with the continuation of the song?

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It clearly is, that also does not deminish Vanity as inspiration.
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I know some people like you maybe only see black & white. But there are 5-10 different shades of gray in between.

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Stop being so ignorant. From beginning to end I've said I've always known the song being about Vanity in 1983. I said before what Jill Jones said is not new news/
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And again U don't read you don't know anything. So we shouldn't believe Susan Rogers who said in 1983 the song was about Vanity and Prince's relationship?

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Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?

"Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?"

No because that is not what came out of Miko's own mouth. You do not have to believe it if you do not want to but he did say it or the author of Possessed made it up.

Also you do not know me from Adam so stop saying I only see black and white. I see reality and I know there are cultural differences and even Prince found that out the hard way.

Bringing up race is dealing with it in a realistic manner and acknowledging we are all different and bring different beliefs and cultural mores to the table.

Like Jill said Prince was a brother not Sammy Lunchmeat. He could have been pulled over pulled out of his car and beaten within an inch of his life just like any other Blackman. In the end, he did not even live to see 65 and collect Social Security like many black men will not get to do.

It is called reality. I am not going to leave in a fantasy world to placate people.

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Yeah U don't get it. Sorry but U seem invested in something. I posted right above that Susan Rogers said the song was about Vanity(this is nothing new, not knew information to long time Prince fans), but that in 1985/86 when Prince was not dating Vanity and not in the camp, the song could easily open up to playfully be about someone else. Lisa never said 'the song is about Susannah'


You are so right. I don't get the incessant need Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Susan Rogers have to inject Susannah into every song whether by partial or full inspiration. Lisa didn't come right out and say it, but she insinuated/ suggested the idea and Jill came out to correct it. The song was written before '85/'86 so I'm not sure how all of a sudden, a song already written, comes to be inspired by someone who was not around. It doesn't make sense. And again, not saying Prince wouldn't have written songs inspired by more than one muse at the time, just saying that the song was done and gifted to Vanity already. In the end, I respect your opinion but I wasn't there, you weren't there, and neither was Susannah. Go figure. lol I'm going with Jill on this one all the way because she was there.

1. Where did Susan Rogers inject Susannah into the song. And they don't inject her into every song. That is an extreme exaggeration.

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2. Susan Rogers said in 1983 that the song revolved around Prince and Vanity.

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3. Lisa Coleman did not say anything contradictory to that.

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4. The song was brought out again and as life goes further inspiration can be added to any song. Vanity was not Prince's girlfriend then or in the camp, in 1985. And even though a song can be about a particular person it can still be about a broader subject.

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5. Susan Roger -never said the song was about Susannah. Lisa Coleman was only talking about the playful energy that obviously She & Prince had in connection to the song and their girlfriends asses. This does not take away the origins of Vanity & Prince's issues in the song.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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I posted what she said, and her expression of remembering the conversation at the time of recording the song with Prince in 1985/86.
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How do U say it had nothing to do with the continuation of the song?

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It clearly is, that also does not deminish Vanity as inspiration.
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I know some people like you maybe only see black & white. But there are 5-10 different shades of gray in between.

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Stop being so ignorant. From beginning to end I've said I've always known the song being about Vanity in 1983. I said before what Jill Jones said is not new news/
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And again U don't read you don't know anything. So we shouldn't believe Susan Rogers who said in 1983 the song was about Vanity and Prince's relationship?

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Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?

"Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?"

No because that is not what came out of Miko's own mouth. You do not have to believe it if you do not want to but he did say it or the author of Possessed made it up.

Also you do not know me from Adam so stop saying I only see black and white. I see reality and I know there are cultural differences and even Prince found that out the hard way.

Bringing up race is dealing with it in a realistic manner and acknowledging we are all different and bring different beliefs and cultural mores to the table.

Like Jill said Prince was a brother not Sammy Lunchmeat. He could have been pulled over pulled out of his car and beaten within an inch of his life just like any other Blackman. In the end, he did not even live to see 65 and collect Social Security like many black men will not get to do.

It is called reality. I am not going to leave in a fantasy world to placate people.

I already told U what U posted was bogus. And provided nothing.
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I then went on to post the full of what Miko said and it had nothing to do with 'the ladies'

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You don't know me or anyone else from Adam but you sure like to inject outlandish BS into people words. Look into the mirror.

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Race had nothing to do with Wonderful Ass. Ass is ass. And no Prince couldn't his celebrity you cannot bring him down to the level of the average man. That is disrespectul to his legacy.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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petalthecat said:

Do u ever get the feeling that P told several ladies in his life that he'd written a song for them. Maybe this is how the confusion arose. It's like the ultimate romantic gesture. lol

Very good point.Prince was a player back then.He told these ladies what they wanted to hear lol

yes,darling....this song is about you....I wrote it right after we made love last night...you mean everything to me

falloff and then a few days later,he tells the same thing to the next woman he sleeps with evillol

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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purplegirl00 said:

You are so right. I don't get the incessant need Wendy, Lisa, Susannah, and Susan Rogers have to inject Susannah into every song whether by partial or full inspiration. Lisa didn't come right out and say it, but she insinuated/ suggested the idea and Jill came out to correct it. The song was written before '85/'86 so I'm not sure how all of a sudden, a song already written, comes to be inspired by someone who was not around. It doesn't make sense. And again, not saying Prince wouldn't have written songs inspired by more than one muse at the time, just saying that the song was done and gifted to Vanity already. In the end, I respect your opinion but I wasn't there, you weren't there, and neither was Susannah. Go figure. lol I'm going with Jill on this one all the way because she was there.

1. Where did Susan Rogers inject Susannah into the song. And they don't inject her into every song. That is an extreme exaggeration.

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2. Susan Rogers said in 1983 that the song revolved around Prince and Vanity.

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3. Lisa Coleman did not say anything contradictory to that.

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4. The song was brought out again and as life goes further inspiration can be added to any song. Vanity was not Prince's girlfriend then or in the camp, in 1985. And even though a song can be about a particular person it can still be about a broader subject.

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5. Susan Roger -never said the song was about Susannah. Lisa Coleman was only talking about the playful energy that obviously She & Prince had in connection to the song and their girlfriends asses. This does not take away the origins of Vanity & Prince's issues in the song.

3. See the article below which was orignally from an interview in the Star Tribune. This is directly from Lisa. This is Lisa contridicting what Susan Rogers said. This is from this month June 2017.

http://diffuser.fm/prince-wonderful-ass/

2017 interview with the Star Tribune about “Wonderful Ass” and the other newly released tracks on this, the first major archival release since Prince’s untimely death last April, Revolution keyboardist Lisa Coleman reveals that the lighthearted song was inspired by the impressive posteriors of both her longtime collaborator and Revolution bandmate Wendy Melvoin and Wendy’s twin sister Susannah — who Prince was romantically involved with at the time.

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts,” Coleman explains. “And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”



Read More: Of Course Prince Wrote a ... in a Year | http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

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At the risk of pissing people off and having them scratch my eyes out, blackeye over... (whisper it) another inspiration of a song about Vanity... I'm not looking to get into a long drawn out battle on this one, but I'd like to say my peace on it. I think the core fan base knows this song was inspired by Vanity. I get what everyone is saying. Vanity inspired the lyrics to Wonderful A$$ and perhaps Lisa only meant that they were having a little fun with the song towards their then girlfriends at the time they recorded it. Maybe. Or It could have been double inspirations. Maybe. Or Prince could have told several ladies the song was about them, and in turn this is why Lisa (Maybe) said what she said. Got it. Here's the thing that I think is rubbing a few people here and outside of this community the wrong way. People are starting to see a pattern when it comes to some of the songs said to have been inspired by Susannah.

First on the list, "The Beautiful Ones" that Susan Rogers said Susannah inspired. Prince himself refuted that and said it was partially inspired by Vanity and the movie. He said it again even after that infamous "angry" interview. Then you have "Strange Relationship" that Susannah herself said she'd inspired, but now it's being confirmed by various sources that she actually didn't, that it was actually Vanity that inspired it. I understand the concept that Vanity could have been the initial inspiration and Prince could have resurrected any number of songs and dedicated it to SM after the fact, but in contrast, we all know Susannah's connection to the Revolutions. We all know that certain bandmates from that era saw Vanity in a negative light, if some of the quotes in books like "The Rise Of Prince" from said bandmates and associates are any indication of how they felt about her. (Me, before I take "The Rise of Prince" as gospel on Vanity, I'm reminded of Jill Jones comments in her interview about the jealousy she witnessed towards Vanity, and I'm reminded by Dez' Dickerson's own admission of jealousy and animosity towards her in his book.) In these terms, Wonderful A$$ felt a little opportunistic when Lisa yet again bought Susannah to the forefront of yet another song at a time when Wonderful A$$ was finally getting exposure. Only this time, it was widely know that this particular song was always said to have been inspired by Vanity. Confirmed by Susan Rogers herself. I think this is where the outrage lies... I'll allow that Lisa's statement could have been misconstrued due to all that I've mentioned above, but the people who are outraged also have a reason to be suspicious.
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* And I'm going to add a 'What Would Jesus Denise Matthews(RIP) Do' insert to the song... ie how would she respond today to all this if she were alive...

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Christine Harris (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries & Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God Bless.

Spin Magazine 2009 Prince the Oral History of Purple Rain

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What's the matter with your life
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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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1. Where did Susan Rogers inject Susannah into the song. And they don't inject her into every song. That is an extreme exaggeration.

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2. Susan Rogers said in 1983 that the song revolved around Prince and Vanity.

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3. Lisa Coleman did not say anything contradictory to that.

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4. The song was brought out again and as life goes further inspiration can be added to any song. Vanity was not Prince's girlfriend then or in the camp, in 1985. And even though a song can be about a particular person it can still be about a broader subject.

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5. Susan Roger -never said the song was about Susannah. Lisa Coleman was only talking about the playful energy that obviously She & Prince had in connection to the song and their girlfriends asses. This does not take away the origins of Vanity & Prince's issues in the song.

3. See the article below which was orignally from an interview in the Star Tribune. This is directly from Lisa. This is Lisa contridicting what Susan Rogers said. This is from this month June 2017.

http://diffuser.fm/prince-wonderful-ass/

2017 interview with the Star Tribune about “Wonderful Ass” and the other newly released tracks on this, the first major archival release since Prince’s untimely death last April, Revolution keyboardist Lisa Coleman reveals that the lighthearted song was inspired by the impressive posteriors of both her longtime collaborator and Revolution bandmate Wendy Melvoin and Wendy’s twin sister Susannah — who Prince was romantically involved with at the time.

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts,” Coleman explains. “And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”



Read More: Of Course Prince Wrote a ... in a Year | http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

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I already posted it yesterday reply #41 6.27.2017 @ 8:43pm to highlight that Lisa Coleman never said it wasn't about Vanity, nor did she say it was about Susannah. She in fact mentioned Prince's butt, and how Prince and Lisa doing co-lead on the song, used the energy of 'their girlfriends' the Melvoin twins's butt 4 further inspiration.

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Simple as that.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

"Did U get it yet that Miko and Prince's split wasn't about Miko getting the attention of the ladies?"

No because that is not what came out of Miko's own mouth. You do not have to believe it if you do not want to but he did say it or the author of Possessed made it up.

Also you do not know me from Adam so stop saying I only see black and white. I see reality and I know there are cultural differences and even Prince found that out the hard way.

Bringing up race is dealing with it in a realistic manner and acknowledging we are all different and bring different beliefs and cultural mores to the table.

Like Jill said Prince was a brother not Sammy Lunchmeat. He could have been pulled over pulled out of his car and beaten within an inch of his life just like any other Blackman. In the end, he did not even live to see 65 and collect Social Security like many black men will not get to do.

It is called reality. I am not going to leave in a fantasy world to placate people.

I already told U what U posted was bogus. And provided nothing.
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I then went on to post the full of what Miko said and it had nothing to do with 'the ladies'

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You don't know me or anyone else from Adam but you sure like to inject outlandish BS into people words. Look into the mirror.

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Race had nothing to do with Wonderful Ass. Ass is ass. And no Prince couldn't his celebrity you cannot bring him down to the level of the average man. That is disrespectul to his legacy.

What Miko said it is in Possessed. Take it up with Alex Hahn if you do not like it.

-- This is what is in the link I posted. Honestly you act like the internet does not exsist.

http://prince.org/msg/7/97182

Miko and Prince fist fight over chicks?

I read a few pages of "Possessed" last night. I got it for my birthday June 9th, anyway there was an account about Miko and Prince going to blows because Miko was trying to bang all of Prince's girls.
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I think the arguments ensued because there was no 'TRY'

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Honestly how do I act like the internet does not exist when I'm the one posting all the factual pertinent information and U are posting bogus Org discussions that go now where. And then say 'from Miko's mouth' and then when I post the full conversation from a Miko interview you keep fighting it. For the sake of fighting it.

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And U post another bogus thread, which leads to the same bogus arguement that it is about women. Did U post from the book or from what an org member alleges is in the book?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I already told U what U posted was bogus. And provided nothing.
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I then went on to post the full of what Miko said and it had nothing to do with 'the ladies'

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You don't know me or anyone else from Adam but you sure like to inject outlandish BS into people words. Look into the mirror.

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Race had nothing to do with Wonderful Ass. Ass is ass. And no Prince couldn't his celebrity you cannot bring him down to the level of the average man. That is disrespectul to his legacy.

What Miko said it is in Possessed. Take it up with Alex Hahn if you do not like it.

-- This is what is in the link I posted. Honestly you act like the internet does not exsist.

http://prince.org/msg/7/97182

Miko and Prince fist fight over chicks?

I read a few pages of "Possessed" last night. I got it for my birthday June 9th, anyway there was an account about Miko and Prince going to blows because Miko was trying to bang all of Prince's girls.
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I think the arguments ensued because there was no 'TRY'

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