OldFriends4Sale said:

malbena said:

Makes one wonder about Prince and his relationships. They didn't seem to last and many of them did not end well or remain in good terms over the years.

Although he was surrounded by people all the time, I am inclined to think he was actually very lonely and nobody seemd to have filled that emptiness. Maybe he was used by too many people and was hurt by them. Maybe he was bored with some women past the romantic stage.

He did sing about this, he did have pictures in which he was alone and looked sad, he stated "a friend should not be on your payroll", he was rather reclusive and private, and he died alone

I think about this and once your cross over to superstardom as Prince did, the majority of people who come into your life after(1984-1987) I cannot see how they can really be friends. Unless they are superstars as well. Because after that point everyone sees you as Prince the superstar.

I really is mostly people he knew before that period, that could see him in a different way, see him as a human, that could really have a soul connection with him or be friends.

This is SO true. And even those who knew megastars before they reached that pinnacle, including family, usually wind up having their relationships changed forever. And, to reach that "god" level of superstardom, as did Prince, is to make it virtually impossible for anyone to penetrate what I like to call that "circle of the gods," if you will.

rogifan said:

Sorry I think it's BS to suggest nobody past '87 could really be friends with Prince. His hairdresser Kim Berry worked with him from D&P all the way up to his passing. That's 25 years. Is someone going to say with a straight face she only saw him as a 'superstar' and wasn't friends or didn't know the real him? All these people had relationships with him, they were just different because he changed so much over the course of his career.

And you know them personally to confirm that, right?

Sorry Rogifan. The truth is I appreciate what you post. I'm just picking on you today but no harm intended.

rogifan said:

Sorry I think it's BS to suggest nobody past '87 could really be friends with Prince. His hairdresser Kim Berry worked with him from D&P all the way up to his passing. That's 25 years. Is someone going to say with a straight face she only saw him as a 'superstar' and wasn't friends or didn't know the real him? All these people had relationships with him, they were just different because he changed so much over the course of his career.

It isn't BS. I not saying actually stating a fact, as much as I'm questioning the possibility.
The stardom is there, maybe someone who does not care for Prince at all. But everyone afterwards was there because of the stardom. Prince was a platform even for people like Van and DeMaris...
I mean I looking at it in a bigger way... can a person really be plain ole friends with a superstar if they did not know them before the fame. Hell even people who don't like the 'superstar' or famous person, what would be the reason for the connection. Would Prince really be able to see the person that way as well, when 100% of them came as a result of his superstardom/fame...

malbena said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

Did Van Jones reach initiate contact with Prince? I thought they hooked up because Prince anonymously donated to one of his charities and Jones returned the money because he didn't know who it was from. Even still I'm not sure what real friendship has to do with whether someone wouldn't otherwise have come into his life were he not famous. So what if the friendship developed as a result of him being famous. Besides some of these so-called real friends he didn't have contact with in years/decades. I'm not suggesting everyone around him in the last 10-15 years was a real friend but I don't think everyone was just a hanger on either.

I can't believe you haven't notice it yet. It's always open season on any and everybody who is not of the Revolution era. Those were the only friends Prince was allowed to have, thus sayeth org mythology.

Prince is only supposed to do or say or be whatever is projected onto him, that's it.

Superfan1984 said:

I don't think Martika has said anything.. .

Actually she's said quite a bit. She dedicated her recent concerts in Australia to him and did a medley of "Love Thy Will Be Done" and "Purple Rain". Here's a clip (she talks about him at the start)...

babynoz said:

rogifan said:

babynoz said:

I can't believe you haven't notice it yet. It's always open season on any and everybody who is not of the Revolution era. Those were the only friends Prince was allowed to have, thus sayeth org mythology.

Prince is only supposed to do or say or be whatever is projected onto him, that's it.

I have noticed it I just don't get it. The idea that a true friend can only be someone he met before PR exploded is nonsense. Especially considering no arrows are ever slung at these supposed "real friends" when people question why no one was there to prevent that fateful day in April from happening.

Well you're going into some other areas of contention. It isn't about the Revolution or PR(I said 1984-1987 which is also after the Revolution), This includes Sheila E the Time, especially Morris, Andre, family members people who he became friends with in 1978 etc -pre fame. my question was looking at Prince(and other famous people) and the possibilities of making friends or not with the superstardom being so apparent. Can someone really be friends with Prince(or another superstar) if they don't like that person as an actor-musician etc
It's ok, maybe I'm not conveying my question clearly. I was just talking (face 2 face) with another Prince fan about this. I'm not trying to get into a contest about who has BS or not lol

[Edited 10/1/16 7:54am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think about this and once your cross over to superstardom as Prince did, the majority of people who come into your life after(1984-1987) I cannot see how they can really be friends. Unless they are superstars as well. Because after that point everyone sees you as Prince the superstar.

I really is mostly people he knew before that period, that could see him in a different way, see him as a human, that could really have a soul connection with him or be friends.

This is SO true. And even those who knew megastars before they reached that pinnacle, including family, usually wind up having their relationships changed forever. And, to reach that "god" level of superstardom, as did Prince, is to make it virtually impossible for anyone to penetrate what I like to call that "circle of the gods," if you will.

Right, even look at how people went after Prince's family members after he died. With strained relations and such, people questioned intentions. It is something we hear about all the time, that someone makes it big whether it be in the sports arena movies/tv or music and then all these 'family and friends' who haven't spoke to the person since forever pop up. So it is an interesting dynamic. With Prince especially because he was big on controlling what was around him. And being superstitious.

midnightmover said:

Latin said:

midnightmover said:

Actually she's said quite a bit. She dedicated her recent concerts in Australia to him and did a medley of "Love Thy Will Be Done" and "Purple Rain". Here's a clip (she talks about him at the start)...

Thanks for posting the video!

Don't mind admitting I got a bit of a chill watching that. It's such an amazing song and the segue into "Purple Rain" was perfect.

So much that I can say about this but I will just say this: If Apollonia said this, I would not be surprised. It's really sad.

midnightmover said:

Latin said:

midnightmover said: Thanks for posting the video!

Don't mind admitting I got a bit of a chill watching that. It's such an amazing song and the segue into "Purple Rain" was perfect.

That was beautiful.

FlyOnTheWall said:

If Apollonia said this, she is really off her rocker. Mani exploited Prince's death to promote her husband Eric Benet by having Eric sing at Prince rememberance gatherings and then is using Prince's name to raise money. I am appalled by Mani's behavior. But she seems like such a coniving and manipulative type that she probably had Apollonia duped.

FlyOnTheWall said:

malbena said:

Makes one wonder about Prince and his relationships. They didn't seem to last and many of them did not end well or remain in good terms over the years.

Although he was surrounded by people all the time, I am inclined to think he was actually very lonely and nobody seemd to have filled that emptiness. Maybe he was used by too many people and was hurt by them. Maybe he was bored with some women past the romantic stage.

He did sing about this, he did have pictures in which he was alone and looked sad, he stated "a friend should not be on your payroll", he was rather reclusive and private, and he died alone

I get that same impression. Being a megastar is not for the faint-hearted, that's for sure.

It seems the folks he had around on a consistent basis were those who were on his payroll or those he was promoting. Did he have anyone around him that was simply a friend ,,,who was not benefiting by way of paycheck or a career boost?

b4ugo said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I get that same impression. Being a megastar is not for the faint-hearted, that's for sure.

It seems the folks he had around on a consistent basis were those who were on his payroll or those he was promoting. Did he have anyone around him that was simply a friend ,,,who was not benefiting by way of paycheck or a career boost?

I have heard of at least one very, very close friend that he had. A non-industry type. I hear that they were strictly platonic. She and her young son were said to be frequent visitors at Paisley Park. Supposedly, she is from one of the islands. P would reportedly visit her there sometimes and "sleep for hours." He was said to have a key to her home...and his own room. I'm told that she was inconsolable in the days and weeks following his passing.

I had to read that twice! Ohhh the shade haha

FlyOnTheWall said:

True friends won't go public when you want privacy. I, like NinaB said, hope it is true.

GaryMF said:

Sheila can do no wrong in my book.

She was his collaborator from the early days to recenlty. She's not profiting off this.

And she was the only one with musical talent that approached his and could share a stage with him as equals.

I wouldn't say she can do no wrong but I do think that out of all of them she is feeling the loss the most.

I think she is missing her friend. He seems (musically) to always have gone back to Shelia. They had THAT bond that went past sex and all the rest. It was music and they could always connect on that level.

The rest....I think it is more guilt (for things they have done or said) or opportunity (trying to revamp a career).

This woman is speaking out...aginst others in his life...when her big claim was a movie from 33 years ago.....Tacky and tasteless. I thought she was living in "the light" as she put it. I didn't know these are comments you make "living in the light". Mark my words her book will come out one day.Or Maybe that's her problem.....Can't get a book deal...

Weston said:

This woman is speaking out...aginst others in his life...when her big claim was a movie from 33 years ago.....Tacky and tasteless. I thought she was living in "the light" as she put it. I didn't know these are comments you make "living in the light". Mark my words her book will come out one day.Or Maybe that's her problem.....Can't get a book deal...

And what makes you think she hasn't gotten a book deal? For some pople it's not about the $$$ but respecting the legacy.

Didn't she mention Elliot Mintz, her PR guy, in her initial statement? I mean, really? What is wrong with simply saying "he meant a lot to the world and a lot to me" and leaving it at that? IMO Stevie Wonder would attend the opening of an envelope; his presence has become less than special. All of these women showing up ... just ridiculous.

The best approach to have as associates is to keep a low profile these days. Too sensitive of a subject to share stories related to Prince. No matter how wrong he might have done and treated some, he is still Prince and loved as such. Associates should create their own world without using his name or sharing stories or be prepared for retribution from fans or other associates.

He was part of their stories, fine but what would they be without him. Who would care?

NinaB said:

...Nona

Nona is one of the worst ones... she BEEN put Prince out there blaming him for her drug addiction. She had no love for Prince saying her cheated on her and he was supposed to marry her instead of Mayte saying he only married Mayte because he got her pregnant. She was spilling all the tea years ago.

For the record, Appollonia could never sing well, she's pretty but without Brenda AND Susan, I don't think anyone who isn't a Prince superfan would care to see her onstage.

Susan Moonsie gets my vote for the ONLY protege who never spoke about Prince at all. She's a steel trap in Trinidad and not coming back.

Oh, and Manuela and Mayte headed up a tribute/memorial with Apples and she was hugged up with them both in Hollywood. Weird and phony.

paintedlady said:

NinaB said:

...Nona

Nona is one of the worst ones... she BEEN put Prince out there blaming him for her drug addiction. She had no love for Prince saying her cheated on her and he was supposed to marry her instead of Mayte saying he only married Mayte because he got her pregnant. She was spilling all the tea years ago.

For the record, Appollonia could never sing well, she's pretty but without Brenda AND Susan, I don't think anyone who isn't a Prince superfan would care to see her onstage.

Susan Moonsie gets my vote for the ONLY protege who never spoke about Prince at all. She's a steel trap in Trinidad and not coming back.

Oh, and Manuela and Mayte headed up a tribute/memorial with Apples and she was hugged up with them both in Hollywood. Weird and phony.

But she shared her truth while he was alive. Nothing is being heard from her ever since. I think that was the point NinaB was trying to make