Linn4days said:

Didn't he play drums for The Family during their perfromance at Paisley Park last month?

What did the Paisley announcer introduce them as? FDeluxe?

Shit did this happen? FDeluxe (or The Family or whatever) seem to be on a sort of hiatus at the moment, so it would be great to know if they're back doing gigs together, gives me hope that I might one day be able to see them.

Fury said:

SoulAlive said:

The reason that Alexander O' Neal had that "disagreement" with Prince is because,Prince doesn't like to pay people what they deserve to make.He has always been "cheap".This is one of the reasons why Vanity dropped out of the Purple Rain movie.She was getting lucrative offers elsewhere,but Prince was gonna pay her peanuts to do the movie.In 1986,BrownMark was offered three times what he was making in the Revolution,to tour with Stevie Nicks.He stayed loyal and did the Parade tour.Prince loves making lots of money.He just doesn't like his "employees" making alot of money,too.It's more difficult to control people when they're making a ton of money without your help.When Jam and Lewis wanted to supplement their (small) income and produce other acts,Prince fired them.God forbid if any of the women in 3rdEyeGirl were to come across a huge,money-making opportunity...lol....they will be fired,discarded,and totally forgotten by Prince.

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If anybody can name me all the musicians who played with Stevie nicks in the 80's I'll give them a dollar. Being in Prince's band is certainly a privilege for most musicians. Is he demanding ? YES. is he controlling YES. is he cheap YES but... Even casual fans will know who was in the revolution , most people in the npg and 3rdeyegirl. It seems some people have accepted their transgressions with Prince (Jam and Lewis, Jesse ) and moved on with their lives because they went and did Their own thing and had their own success. People like Bean always wanna feel like they had a bigger part in stuff than they did. He is a great drummer, yes. But rehashing shit about a name change from four years ago when everybody else has clearly gotten over it is immature. I bet if he went to Morris right now and said " we go way back-- quit touring with the time " Morris would smack the hell out of him. The fame and headache that comes from working Prince is fleeting -- but everybody remembers you

That is the bottom line: they are sidemen who actually get famous jut from being with Prince. Prince knows and recognizes the value in that and probably factors that into whatever he pays them. In the 80s, if you were with Prince, you were famous just for being there. He was actually lending you some of his fame and reputation by having you in his camp. That is why people like Micki Free - who never really did anything with Prince - still drop his name on their bios. Brownmark was smart - he knew he could take that bigger paycheck for a year or so from Stevie Nicks and it would end eventually. But beig with Prine at that time in Purple Rain made his entire career. No matter what he has done or will do, he will ALWAYS be known as the bassist from Prince in the Revolution (even though he had no lines in the movie). And if he could go back to those days, I bet he would make the same decision to stay with Prince.

SoulAlive said:

The reason that Alexander O' Neal had that "disagreement" with Prince is because,Prince doesn't like to pay people what they deserve to make.He has always been "cheap".This is one of the reasons why Vanity dropped out of the Purple Rain movie.She was getting lucrative offers elsewhere,but Prince was gonna pay her peanuts to do the movie.In 1986,BrownMark was offered three times what he was making in the Revolution,to tour with Stevie Nicks.He stayed loyal and did the Parade tour.Prince loves making lots of money.He just doesn't like his "employees" making alot of money,too.It's more difficult to control people when they're making a ton of money without your help.When Jam and Lewis wanted to supplement their (small) income and produce other acts,Prince fired them.God forbid if any of the women in 3rdEyeGirl were to come across a huge,money-making opportunity...lol....they will be fired,discarded,and totally forgotten by Prince.

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[Edited 10/20/15 22:28pm]

Not to mention the Roadhouse Garden music didn't come out because Prince did not want to pay Lisa & Wendy

SoulAlive said:

Exactly! This is what I've been trying to say.There is no "value" in those names.It's not like Prince is gonna do anything profitable with those names,anyway.So why not just be nice and let his old buddies use the names? Prince is a multi-millionaire.He has plenty of money already.No need for him to be a jerk about this.

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't giving anything away

Prince isn't making anything off the Family name or the Time, I mean he wouldn't be hurting anything and these people forming the songs from that album would only bring more attention to Prince's catalogue and musical history.

I know people don't want to hear it
But at this point in Prince's career what can he actually do that is going to stir up the music scene again. No 3rdEyeGirl Joshue Kirky and new bassist kid is going to do anything new... nothing radical definately nothing is New Power generating

The thing Prince could do now that would be really exciting and would get the spotlight back on him is (not go back and relive) but pick up with the Time, the Revolution, the Family, Madhouse, Mazarati Jill Jones/Brenda Bennett/Andre & Sheila E and do UPTOWN, begin rereleasing those albums while the groups are promoting the names again. Since he has the masters now, release some outtake albums do some new music. I just think it would be so much more exciting.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

terrig said:

I'm so sorry but, Prince is right. He owns it. End of story.

Just because someone is wealthy doesnt mean they have to give what they created away...I don't understand the logic there, they were employed by Prince, its like Apple, you get paid for your creative input into Apple products because Apple is paying your azz. They didn't 'help' Prince, they worked for Prince. Just because you are friends doesn't change that dynamic.

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That isn't giving anything away

Prince isn't making anything off the Family name or the Time, I mean he wouldn't be hurting anything and these people forming the songs from that album would only bring more attention to Prince's catalogue and musical history.

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And they did help Prince, he couldn't do it alone from, the Time backing Vanity 6 live, the Controversy and 1999 tours, Morris Day on vocals and drums, Jesse on certain songs

etc 1981-1983 one of Princes hottest periods

If there were REAL profit to be made from letting them tour he would. BUT THERE ISNT. Bands of that size are a huge expense, and I'd bet there's no way to profit off it.

Do you think Morris & Jellybean want to eat ramen for 3 meals a day and sleep in a sleeping bag in the parking lots of the venues? LOLOLOL

Fury said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know people don't want to hear it
But at this point in Prince's career what can he actually do that is going to stir up the music scene again. No 3rdEyeGirl Joshue Kirky and new bassist kid is going to do anything new... nothing radical definately nothing is New Power generating

e thing Prince could do now that would be really exciting and would get the spotlight back on him is (not go back and relive) but pick up with the Time, the Revolution, the Family, Madhouse, Mazarati Jill Jones/Brenda Bennett/Andre & Sheila E and do UPTOWN, begin rereleasing those albums while the groups are promoting the names again. Since he has the masters now, release some outtake albums do some new music. I just think it would be so much more exciting.

seriously -- lets get the hang back together from 1985! And do a reunion tour. When they had that Revolution reunion at first avenue they played Prince songs ! Prince has done so much since he moved on -- the ONA tour, 21 nights, Musicology tour -- that these people were not a part of. The past is the past -- celebrate it and leave it there https://vimeo.com/37411759 [Edited 10/21/15 9:28am]

terrig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't giving anything away

Prince isn't making anything off the Family name or the Time, I mean he wouldn't be hurting anything and these people forming the songs from that album would only bring more attention to Prince's catalogue and musical history.

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And they did help Prince, he couldn't do it alone from, the Time backing Vanity 6 live, the Controversy and 1999 tours, Morris Day on vocals and drums, Jesse on certain songs

etc 1981-1983 one of Princes hottest periods

If there were REAL profit to be made from letting them tour he would. BUT THERE ISNT. Bands of that size are a huge expense, and I'd bet there's no way to profit off it.

Do you think Morris & Jellybean want to eat ramen for 3 meals a day and sleep in a sleeping bag in the parking lots of the venues? LOLOLOL

I'm not talking about working together the same as back then, so they would be making their own money. But there is no doubt those people coming together would not generate lots of money and interests, as well as Prince would be able to put the protege albums out again and make money off of them...

#3rdEyeGirl

Bottom line, let's stop pretending that the guy is making comments all willy-nilly. He was asked the questions and he answered them. Whether you like what he has to say or not, no lies were told.


It's not like he's posting random comments online or something. Regardless of what Prince says or does, Bean has a right to tell his side of the story, period, end of.

I don't see a problem.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

terrig said:

If there were REAL profit to be made from letting them tour he would. BUT THERE ISNT. Bands of that size are a huge expense, and I'd bet there's no way to profit off it.

Do you think Morris & Jellybean want to eat ramen for 3 meals a day and sleep in a sleeping bag in the parking lots of the venues? LOLOLOL

I'm not talking about working together the same as back then, so they would be making their own money. But there is no doubt those people coming together would not generate lots of money and interests, as well as Prince would be able to put the protege albums out again and make money off of them...

#3rdEyeGirl

Right but Prince owns this stuff, so it's his. He could sell them the rights to it, if he was presented with an offer that was worth his time to look at it...but for some WEIRD REASON, everyone expects Prince to abandon the BUSINESS OF IT. And give it away? And really? WHY? I'd love to see how any of you would react to anyone suggesting that someting you created, should be given away for others to make money with...just because? You were friends so the business part doesnt matter? GTFO.

Seriously think about that....as much as they were friends, they were EMPLOYEES. Thats what it was, Prince created it, they were hired to work in it. Did they ever offer to buy the rights from Prince? That would have been the way to go about it.

Everyone here vastly overestimates the importance and sales potential of the protege projects...if Prince thought he could be making money off them HE WOULD BE.

The fact that this keeps coming up really underscores why they were employees in the first place. They either dont have the wherewithal, the business savvy or they can't talk anyone else into investing the money to buy the rights to it from Prince. If he was offered enough money would he sell it? I BET HE WOULD. But I'll bet, no one believes its worth investing in the rights --- because no one believe it would make back the investment. Including PRINCE which is why its shelved.

terrig said:

funksterr said:

#HitNRun

Fury said:

babynoz said:

Bottom line, let's stop pretending that the guy is making comments all willy-nilly. He was asked the questions and he answered them. Whether you like what he has to say or not, no lies were told.


It's not like he's posting random comments online or something. Regardless of what Prince says or does, Bean has a right to tell his side of the story, period, end of.

I don't see a problem.

If somebody asked me questions about the person supplying my means of income...I'm not gonna let them put it print if I responded negatively

That would be lying though...which I don't condone. If Bean would rather tell the truth as he sees it I don't see a problem with that.

babynoz said:

Prince has a job because of Warner Brothers but yet he wrote slave on his face.

MickyDolenz said:

Fury said:

babynoz said:

That would be lying though...which I don't condone. If Bean would rather tell the truth as he sees it I don't see a problem with that.

Fortunately it's seems Prince takes the higher road and doesn't treat them as they treat him

Treating? He was asked some questions...simple as that. He has a right to disclose what he sees fit to disclose regardless.

if he wasnt sooo controling...everyone would take advantage of him

babynoz said:

SoulAlive said:

The reason that Alexander O' Neal had that "disagreement" with Prince is because,Prince doesn't like to pay people what they deserve to make.He has always been "cheap".This is one of the reasons why Vanity dropped out of the Purple Rain movie.She was getting lucrative offers elsewhere,but Prince was gonna pay her peanuts to do the movie.In 1986,BrownMark was offered three times what he was making in the Revolution,to tour with Stevie Nicks.He stayed loyal and did the Parade tour.Prince loves making lots of money.He just doesn't like his "employees" making alot of money,too.It's more difficult to control people when they're making a ton of money without your help.When Jam and Lewis wanted to supplement their (small) income and produce other acts,Prince fired them.God forbid if any of the women in 3rdEyeGirl were to come across a huge,money-making opportunity...lol....they will be fired,discarded,and totally forgotten by Prince.

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[Edited 10/20/15 22:28pm]

RIGHT!!!!!!

Fury said:

babynoz said:

Treating? He was asked some questions...simple as that. He has a right to disclose what he sees fit to disclose regardless.

Well I hope he got it all off his chest so he can get back to playing all the hits for the man he loathes Definition of a disgruntled employee

Meh, I've seen married people say worse about each other.

Fury said:

babynoz said:

Treating? He was asked some questions...simple as that. He has a right to disclose what he sees fit to disclose regardless.

Well I hope he got it all off his chest so he can get back to playing all the hits for the man he loathes Definition of a disgruntled employee

I don't think it is that simply with Jellybean, and he should have a right to speak about things without getting a cease and desist letter.

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He doesn't loath Prince he just has issues with those dick moves Prince pulls.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Fury said:

babynoz said: Well I hope he got it all off his chest so he can get back to playing all the hits for the man he loathes Definition of a disgruntled employee

I don't think it is that simply with Jellybean, and he should have a right to speak about things without getting a cease and desist letter.

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He doesn't loath Prince he just has issues with those dick moves Prince pulls.

Funny how it is a "dick" move when it is something that entails Prince giving somebody something even after making them famous and he doesnt

FUNKYNESS said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is that simply with Jellybean, and he should have a right to speak about things without getting a cease and desist letter.

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He doesn't loath Prince he just has issues with those dick moves Prince pulls.

Funny how it is a "dick" move when it is something that entails Prince giving somebody something even after making them famous and he doesnt

it is a dick move

breakdown2k14 said:

funksterr said:

Prince is doing things that would seem to be beneath him. Blocking names is a bush-league move, usually reserved for industry parasites and hanger-oners. I read somewhere that Matt Knowles was doing similar stuff to Destiny's Child. Lou Pearlman and Backstreet Boys. Usually though, the impressario (Prince) cuts a deal or just gives the band it's rights so that they can do their own thing. This is really something that should have been done decades ago.

As far as Prince BEING The Time or whatever... I can only laugh at that. For sure he didn't write Jungle Love (Jesse did) and most every other song is a collabo between Morris and Prince or Prince and somebody. Yet Prince owns everything outright. Yes, Prince is the primary musician on all the tracks, but he isn't more 'The Time' than Morris Day. The Bird is based on a dance that Prince ordered Morris NOT to do, because the audience loved it and Prince felt it showed him up.

The fellas clown Alex for that meeting with Prince, but... AO was right about one thing: Prince owning everything was going to be a problem. And it still is to this day.

http://www.princevault.co...ungle_Love prince wrote lyrics to "jungle love" and Jesse came up with the music

So at best Prince added lyrics and changed the guitar solo. Does it seem fair then that Jesse gets nothing more than a percentage of royalties while Prince gets that plus full ownership of the master to the song, publishing rights, streaming rights and control of the band's name? 'Jungle Love', IIRC, is The Time's biggest hit or close to it.

For those that think Prince did everything and IS The Time and therfore should own everything, I forgot that Jesse cleared a lot of things up last year on Facebook:

Prince Played Guitar (Actually played everything) On Get It Up!

I played guitar, bass, & keys on: "Bite The Beat" Vanity 6 (I wrote music on 4 track & Prince wrote lyrics. It was my first publish work. Played it on a purple metal flaked Morite guitar just like Sugarfoot & the original guitar player with the B52s. That guy was amazing)

I played guitar on "Gigolos"

I played guitar on "Live Version The Bird" Prince played everything on the studio version "The Bird" and it's sick!

(I wrote a 4 track version on 1999 tour, Prince kinda like the hook, he threw the rest of what I did in the trash can as he commenced to write and performed a straight heater)

Morris & I recorded a song name "Old & Ingnorant" in Mpls the next day M & I fly out to meet P. In LA, at Sunset Sound he dug it and the track was rerecorded, rewritten, and became "Ice Cream Castles"! And John McClain "I did perform all the guitars on Ice Cream Castles"✌👏👏👏
(Prince kept telling me "It's so cool how you played the bass on the AND instead of the 1" great compliment even though at that time I didn't know what he was talking about...yeah of course I do now!)

"The Kid" is a strange and funny story. We were at Sunset Sound are engineer was always Peggy McCleary (Later married became Peggy Leonard) and she was absolutely an amazing engineer. She and later Susan Rogers (P's engineer), were to of the best engineers I had the pleasure of working with. They both endowed me a great deal of knowledge that I'm still utilizing today, thanks ladies👄👄👄

Back to the story: Morris who is a very, very gifted drummer went in sat down to play "Kid", but he kept speeding up Prince tried it, he kept speeding up too! So we got this brilliant idea, when looking back at it now it's funny the P and I thought this was a really good resolution. Morris out of the three of us was the only one that had a drink now and again, or let me put it clearer, Morris was the only one that knew how to drink. P & I were real amateurs, honestly...real pu$$ys when it came to drinking. I still am just ask Terry or Jerome one drink and my a$$ is through. To this day I still don't drink. Any, Prince & I drank a glass of wine or my case a glass of WHINE! (ohh my head the room is spinning, I don't feel well, etc, etc) will I'm playing the DRUMS on "The Kid" and of course all guitars.

Jungle Love- Saved my food $ the 1999 Tour came home bought a Tascam reel to reel 8 track recorder and came up with music for JUNGLE! Prince every word+melody and kilted it😆

I was very honored to write with the Cat. He didn't eff around. You had to bring it, you had to earn it if you wanted get put on. P. Would call at all hours, he clubbed a lot and we would record after the clubs close regardless of what coast we were on. (I could never stay up with Prince & Morris. They were so seasoned & I was a complete newbie nerd light-weight)

I played guitar solo on "My Drawers" P played rhythm guitar + everything else! except drums, that's Mr. Day.

Morris Day on Drums:
"Cool" "The Stick" "Oh Baby"
"The Walk" "Wild & Loose" "Girl" "Gigolos" "Bacon Skin" "Tricky" I

(I can't remember anymore it getting late...off t00oooo...zzzzz)

I hope this sheds light on some questions you may have had. It's the truth. Unlike a lot people writing books, I was there.

LovePeace,
Jesse cfffgggchzzzzzzzzz

Yep I remember this. Morris Day did play drums on a lot of those Time tracks, Jesse following contributed instruments

Morris Day even played drums on Let's Work extended, and since the drumming for Clorean Bacon Skin is almost the same as Irresistable Bitch I wonder is that Morris's drumming too

Synthesizer solos on Get it up and The stick by Matt Fink. Background vocals on Cool and The stick by Lisa Coleman.

funksterr said:

For those that think Prince did everything and IS The Time and therfore should own everything, I forgot that Jesse cleared a lot of things up last year on Facebook:

Jesse Johnson

March 21, 2014 ·

Prince Played Guitar (Actually played everything) On Get It Up!

I played guitar, bass, & keys on: "Bite The Beat" Vanity 6 (I wrote music on 4 track & Prince wrote lyrics. It was my first publish work. Played it on a purple metal flaked Morite guitar just like Sugarfoot & the original guitar player with the B52s. That guy was amazing)

I played guitar on "Gigolos"

I played guitar on "Live Version The Bird" Prince played everything on the studio version "The Bird" and it's sick!

(I wrote a 4 track version on 1999 tour, Prince kinda like the hook, he threw the rest of what I did in the trash can as he commenced to write and performed a straight heater)

Morris & I recorded a song name "Old & Ingnorant" in Mpls the next day M & I fly out to meet P. In LA, at Sunset Sound he dug it and the track was rerecorded, rewritten, and became "Ice Cream Castles"! And John McClain "I did perform all the guitars on Ice Cream Castles"✌👏👏👏
(Prince kept telling me "It's so cool how you played the bass on the AND instead of the 1" great compliment even though at that time I didn't know what he was talking about...yeah of course I do now!)

"The Kid" is a strange and funny story. We were at Sunset Sound are engineer was always Peggy McCleary (Later married became Peggy Leonard) and she was absolutely an amazing engineer. She and later Susan Rogers (P's engineer), were to of the best engineers I had the pleasure of working with. They both endowed me a great deal of knowledge that I'm still utilizing today, thanks ladies👄👄👄

Back to the story: Morris who is a very, very gifted drummer went in sat down to play "Kid", but he kept speeding up Prince tried it, he kept speeding up too! So we got this brilliant idea, when looking back at it now it's funny the P and I thought this was a really good resolution. Morris out of the three of us was the only one that had a drink now and again, or let me put it clearer, Morris was the only one that knew how to drink. P & I were real amateurs, honestly...real pu$$ys when it came to drinking. I still am just ask Terry or Jerome one drink and my a$$ is through. To this day I still don't drink. Any, Prince & I drank a glass of wine or my case a glass of WHINE! (ohh my head the room is spinning, I don't feel well, etc, etc) will I'm playing the DRUMS on "The Kid" and of course all guitars.

Jungle Love- Saved my food $ the 1999 Tour came home bought a Tascam reel to reel 8 track recorder and came up with music for JUNGLE! Prince every word+melody and kilted it😆

I was very honored to write with the Cat. He didn't eff around. You had to bring it, you had to earn it if you wanted get put on. P. Would call at all hours, he clubbed a lot and we would record after the clubs close regardless of what coast we were on. (I could never stay up with Prince & Morris. They were so seasoned & I was a complete newbie nerd light-weight)

I played guitar solo on "My Drawers" P played rhythm guitar + everything else! except drums, that's Mr. Day.

Morris Day on Drums:
"Cool" "The Stick" "Oh Baby"
"The Walk" "Wild & Loose" "Girl" "Gigolos" "Bacon Skin" "Tricky" I

(I can't remember anymore it getting late...off t00oooo...zzzzz)

I hope this sheds light on some questions you may have had. It's the truth. Unlike a lot people writing books, I was there.

LovePeace,
Jesse cfffgggchzzzzzzzzz

funksterr said:

For those that think Prince did everything and IS The Time and therfore should own everything, I forgot that Jesse cleared a lot of things up last year on Facebook:

Jesse Johnson

March 21, 2014 ·

Prince Played Guitar (Actually played everything) On Get It Up!

I played guitar, bass, & keys on: "Bite The Beat" Vanity 6 (I wrote music on 4 track & Prince wrote lyrics. It was my first publish work. Played it on a purple metal flaked Morite guitar just like Sugarfoot & the original guitar player with the B52s. That guy was amazing)

I played guitar on "Gigolos"

I played guitar on "Live Version The Bird" Prince played everything on the studio version "The Bird" and it's sick!

(I wrote a 4 track version on 1999 tour, Prince kinda like the hook, he threw the rest of what I did in the trash can as he commenced to write and performed a straight heater)

Morris & I recorded a song name "Old & Ingnorant" in Mpls the next day M & I fly out to meet P. In LA, at Sunset Sound he dug it and the track was rerecorded, rewritten, and became "Ice Cream Castles"! And John McClain "I did perform all the guitars on Ice Cream Castles"✌👏👏👏
(Prince kept telling me "It's so cool how you played the bass on the AND instead of the 1" great compliment even though at that time I didn't know what he was talking about...yeah of course I do now!)

"The Kid" is a strange and funny story. We were at Sunset Sound are engineer was always Peggy McCleary (Later married became Peggy Leonard) and she was absolutely an amazing engineer. She and later Susan Rogers (P's engineer), were to of the best engineers I had the pleasure of working with. They both endowed me a great deal of knowledge that I'm still utilizing today, thanks ladies👄👄👄

Back to the story: Morris who is a very, very gifted drummer went in sat down to play "Kid", but he kept speeding up Prince tried it, he kept speeding up too! So we got this brilliant idea, when looking back at it now it's funny the P and I thought this was a really good resolution. Morris out of the three of us was the only one that had a drink now and again, or let me put it clearer, Morris was the only one that knew how to drink. P & I were real amateurs, honestly...real pu$$ys when it came to drinking. I still am just ask Terry or Jerome one drink and my a$$ is through. To this day I still don't drink. Any, Prince & I drank a glass of wine or my case a glass of WHINE! (ohh my head the room is spinning, I don't feel well, etc, etc) will I'm playing the DRUMS on "The Kid" and of course all guitars.

Jungle Love- Saved my food $ the 1999 Tour came home bought a Tascam reel to reel 8 track recorder and came up with music for JUNGLE! Prince every word+melody and kilted it😆

I was very honored to write with the Cat. He didn't eff around. You had to bring it, you had to earn it if you wanted get put on. P. Would call at all hours, he clubbed a lot and we would record after the clubs close regardless of what coast we were on. (I could never stay up with Prince & Morris. They were so seasoned & I was a complete newbie nerd light-weight)

I played guitar solo on "My Drawers" P played rhythm guitar + everything else! except drums, that's Mr. Day.

Morris Day on Drums:
"Cool" "The Stick" "Oh Baby"
"The Walk" "Wild & Loose" "Girl" "Gigolos" "Bacon Skin" "Tricky" I

(I can't remember anymore it getting late...off t00oooo...zzzzz)

I hope this sheds light on some questions you may have had. It's the truth. Unlike a lot people writing books, I was there.

LovePeace,
Jesse cfffgggchzzzzzzzzz

They were paid for what they provided, RIGHT? If Prince owns it, he OWNS it. They are EMPLOYEES. This proves that everyone did work at their job.