paisleypark4 said:

They were at Paisley Park according to St. Pauls tweets and said it was nice to see them....so...not here for lies.

Prince is not some benevolent dictator or shit lol he's human too.

MadamGoodnight said:

SoulAlive said:

It's the opposite for me If 'Condensate' was Prince's new album,I'd be ecstatic.I'll be on here screaming "Prince is back!"

If Princey put his falsetto over that funk,

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

To me, that's simply comparing apples to oranges, and I see little value in doing that. I certainly respect your opinion, but opinions are subjective, and we're all entitled to our very own. Nevertheless, opinions are not absolute truths.

One of the main things I love about Prince that I think drives many people nuts is that with each of his albums, particularly in recent years, he seems more interested in covering vast territory than he is with coming up with a commercially consistent, radio-friendly, mega-hit. Generally, his albums are a mix of different vibes and emotions that take you around the world three times and back, lol. Regardless, when he does release an album that has more of a focused sound, it's usually of a genre that many people have trouble appreciating, like with "N.E.W.S.", "The Rainbow Children", "Xpectation" or even "Kamasutra". All excellent productions, just some really, really different music.

I think most people would agree that Prince certainly has the talent and ability to blow the doors off a solid Pop release, if that's what he wanted to do. So it's his focus on creating new and unusual music, that comes in from so many different influences, that I find most appealing about him, and in the long run what I feel will be the mark, his legacy, that will be left behind on the music industry.

When I'm into an artist, any artist (...painter, sculptor, designer, musician, whatever...), I don't need them to do what I want them to do, or what I feel will compete with something someone else has done, I need them to do what they feel. And I can always count on Prince doing exactly that, in the most excellent manner.

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

verbal penetration never even charted in the top 200 that means it didnt sell even sell 2k in its first week at least condensate charted at #58. jesse might be a good guitar player i always felt dez was much better.

[Edited 11/22/11 11:01am]

Definitely all of you are right on the fact that if the Time really wanted to step out on their own, they would shed the image that Prince created to try and distinguish themselves. The truth is that they wouldn't have been any bigger than DaKrash had it not been for Prince's involvement in their molding. I can't think of any bands that had that sound in 80's that Prince didn't have a 1st or 2nd degrees of involvement with, so I have to agree with that statement. I think they know that and appreciate that, but you can't help but get the vibe that they feel like he was holding them back. That was the point of that post was to get this out there. Loving the feedback.

carlcranshaw said:

Is Jesse wearing a Paisley shirt and holding his middle finger up to say F U Prince?

Is there a subliminal in this photo?

Never noticed that. Low class if that's true.

WetDream said:

^ I can't even quote the above nonsense because to copy such words might cause some kind of intelligence cancer....but what utter, absolute hilarity! This forum is becoming hilarious. My original post in here never rang more true. I better leave this thread before i lose too many brain cells.

You're waay too late.

aiden3121 said:

Militant said:

i got more of a sly stone vibe on that one.... confirmed even more so whe the lyric "hot fun in the summertime" popped up in there too

I agree i thought i was the only one who heard the Sly vibe on Strawberry Lake

Be careful. You know Sly Stone and Graham Central Station was Prince's creation

too. He played all the music on their albums and played their music behind a

curtain during their shows in his purple draws and boots when he was 6 years old.

You revisionists make me laugh sometimes.

Timmy84 said:

You revisionists make me laugh sometimes.

You know i had to get a little jab in with all the Prince mania

going on here. And like Arn Anderson's favorite line what's

causing all this?

Answer: Those cool ass Condensating brothas

asg said:

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

verbal penetration never even charted in the top 200 that means it didnt sell even sell 2k in its first week at least condensate charted at #58. jesse might be a good guitar player i always felt dez was much better.

[Edited 11/22/11 11:01am]

Well if we're going to start comparing good music based on album sales...by your logic all of MJs solo albums are better than Prince's, right?

phunkdaddy said:

Timmy84 said:

You revisionists make me laugh sometimes.

You know i had to get a little jab in with all the Prince mania

going on here. And like Arn Anderson's favorite line what's

causing all this?

Answer: Those cool ass Condensating brothas

MajesticOne89 said:

asg said:

verbal penetration never even charted in the top 200 that means it didnt sell even sell 2k in its first week at least condensate charted at #58. jesse might be a good guitar player i always felt dez was much better.

[Edited 11/22/11 11:01am]

Well if we're going to start comparing good music based on album sales...by your logic all of MJs solo albums are better than Prince's, right?

i am just saying this album most likely didnt even sell 5k in total how is he paying the bills. just the cost of the album is more then that and how do u make a profit outta this and make a living outta this effort.

[Edited 11/22/11 15:21pm]

These versus threads always crack me up.

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

so Verbal Penetration is better than Sign o the times? Ok

2elijah said:

Seriously guys, I wish someone could actually explain how anyone could believe, one album from the now Original 7 has outdone Prince's entire, 30-year plus musiic career,and the awards he's won for his music over that period time? Don't know what some folks are smoking but whatever it is please don't pass it around.

The original members of 'The Time' including the music/image was an extension of Prince. So if that's the case, then Prince has outdone himself and won. Don't get me wrong, I like the 'O7' and think they deserve much credit for going out on their own, under a different name and managing to succeed in creating a nice album. Let's face it though, agree or disagree, they were a copy and an extension of Prince's creation music/and the creation of another side of Prince, as he presented them to us, with their stage appearance/performances--when they were called 'The Time', and quite frankly, as the 'Original7ven', image-wise, today they still present that very, same image Prince created. :: Running as fast as I can from bricks being thrown for having the audacity to say such a thing....how dare me. ::

[Edited 11/21/11 13:33pm]

asg said:

MajesticOne89 said:

Well if we're going to start comparing good music based on album sales...by your logic all of MJs solo albums are better than Prince's, right?

i am just saying this album most likely didnt even sell 5k in total how is he paying the bills. just the cost of the album is more then that and how do u make a profit outta this and make a living outta this effort.

here we go again,having this same tired debate: Do record sales matter?

Apparently,record sales only matter when we're trying to "prove" that one's person's music is better than another's music.Is that how it works?

asg said:

i am just saying this album most likely didnt even sell 5k in total how is he paying the bills. just the cost of the album is more then that and how do u make a profit outta this and make a living outta this effort.

He's a musician.These days,musicians don't rely on record sales to pay the bills.Only rappers and young artists sell enough CDs to make a profit anyway.Musicians make their money playing gigs,doing session work for others,and doing production work.

--double-post.

[Edited 11/22/11 18:40pm]

2elijah said:

funkatopia said:

Definitely all of you are right on the fact that if the Time really wanted to step out on their own, they would shed the image that Prince created to try and distinguish themselves. The truth is that they wouldn't have been any bigger than DaKrash had it not been for Prince's involvement in their molding. I can't think of any bands that had that sound in 80's that Prince didn't have a 1st or 2nd degrees of involvement with, so I have to agree with that statement. I think they know that and appreciate that, but you can't help but get the vibe that they feel like he was holding them back. That was the point of that post was to get this out there. Loving the feedback.

See you agree that if they started off fresh under a new name, as a group, shed the image and stage performance Prince created as'The Time'then they'd be more original living up to their new name. The vids I've seen of their recent, stage presence and performances so far, they're still portraying the same stage performance and image Prince created as 'The Time', like they just stepped off the Purple Rain movie set from 1984 into 2011. Don't get me wrong, they're all very talented, which is why I'm still going to buy their new cd. As far as I'm concerned Jesse could just stand on stage, all by himself looking pretty and that would be just fine with me (j/k). No but seriously, they're all very talented musicians/artists, but now as a group with a new name and releasing their own music, claiming they're Prince-free business and music-wise, then they should let go of the image/stage performance presence that Prince created for them, and made them popular with, because right now it looks like they're still holding on to a piece of Prince like a child afraid to leave their parent's nest to start off a new and fresh life on their own. Can't relly call yourself free from someone who helped jumpstarted your career, if you're still walking and the performing in the very, same image that person created for you, and yet you still want to benefit from that image. Just sayin'. [Edited 11/22/11 17:21pm]

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

hhhhdmt said:

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

so Verbal Penetration is better than Sign o the times? Ok

If he had said 10 years than that's a fair argument in which case I'd probably agree, but 30 starts us all the way back at Controversy soooooo I'll have to definitely disagree

leonche64 said:

2elijah said:

funkatopia said: See you agree that if they started off fresh under a new name, as a group, shed the image and stage performance Prince created as'The Time'then they'd be more original living up to their new name. The vids I've seen of their recent, stage presence and performances so far, they're still portraying the same stage performance and image Prince created as 'The Time', like they just stepped off the Purple Rain movie set from 1984 into 2011. Don't get me wrong, they're all very talented, which is why I'm still going to buy their new cd. As far as I'm concerned Jesse could just stand on stage, all by himself looking pretty and that would be just fine with me (j/k). No but seriously, they're all very talented musicians/artists, but now as a group with a new name and releasing their own music, claiming they're Prince-free business and music-wise, then they should let go of the image/stage performance presence that Prince created for them, and made them popular with, because right now it looks like they're still holding on to a piece of Prince like a child afraid to leave their parent's nest to start off a new and fresh life on their own. Can't relly call yourself free from someone who helped jumpstarted your career, if you're still walking and the performing in the very, same image that person created for you, and yet you still want to benefit from that image. Just sayin'. [Edited 11/22/11 17:21pm]

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

Chill dude, didn't mean to touch your nerves. My comments are not a put-down of former members of the Time, so no reason to be oversensitive about it. From the interviews it seems they talk about doing their own thing now minus being under the direction of Prince, musically/business or image wise, so that gave me the impression they wanted to create a different performance style, image and music, not reflective of the former group under Prince's direction and his ownership of the group name.

What is so wrong about seeing them in their very,own creative image as a new group while as the '07?' They have the skills and talent and I respect them as musicians/artists. We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of the difference of opinions.

Secondly, I don't see 'The Time' image/stage presence/performance styles, as a separate entity from Prince, because the creation of that group and who it represented and the direction it was under, was Prince, and yes, the '07' still present themselves in that very, same image/stage presence/performance styles of the group f/k/a 'The Time'. That was my point.

Now the '07' is no longer 'The Time', but again they still reflect the former 'Time's image in every way. So at this point, they don't present themselves as a separate entity from Prince, because they're still walking in the same image, have the same stage presence and performance style of a group Prince created.

I respect your opinion, but I'm not letting up off of mine, so we just have to politely and respectfully disagree on this one. I'm not mad at ya though.

[Edited 11/22/11 20:00pm]

leonche64 said:

2elijah said:

funkatopia said: See you agree that if they started off fresh under a new name, as a group, shed the image and stage performance Prince created as'The Time'then they'd be more original living up to their new name. The vids I've seen of their recent, stage presence and performances so far, they're still portraying the same stage performance and image Prince created as 'The Time', like they just stepped off the Purple Rain movie set from 1984 into 2011. Don't get me wrong, they're all very talented, which is why I'm still going to buy their new cd. As far as I'm concerned Jesse could just stand on stage, all by himself looking pretty and that would be just fine with me (j/k). No but seriously, they're all very talented musicians/artists, but now as a group with a new name and releasing their own music, claiming they're Prince-free business and music-wise, then they should let go of the image/stage performance presence that Prince created for them, and made them popular with, because right now it looks like they're still holding on to a piece of Prince like a child afraid to leave their parent's nest to start off a new and fresh life on their own. Can't relly call yourself free from someone who helped jumpstarted your career, if you're still walking and the performing in the very, same image that person created for you, and yet you still want to benefit from that image. Just sayin'. [Edited 11/22/11 17:21pm]

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

Let's not forget to give Morris Day credit for his contributions. "The Character" is based on Morris himself. He also recruited the bandmembers, co-wrote and performed on all of the music. Prince didn't do everything.

funksterr said:

leonche64 said:

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

Let's not forget to give Morris Day credit for his contributions. "The Character" is based on Morris himself. He also recruited the bandmembers, co-wrote and performed on all of the music. Prince didn't do everything.

Actually his "character" was based on Kid Creole... He DID hire the band mates though, that he did. And Andre Cymone also had a contribution to shaping The Time the way they were. Though in his argument, he said he added more with the suits and the dance moves and didn't get credit for it.

Timmy84 said:

funksterr said:

Let's not forget to give Morris Day credit for his contributions. "The Character" is based on Morris himself. He also recruited the bandmembers, co-wrote and performed on all of the music. Prince didn't do everything.

Actually his "character" was based on Kid Creole... He DID hire the band mates though, that he did. And Andre Cymone also had a contribution to shaping The Time the way they were. Though in his argument, he said he added more with the suits and the dance moves and didn't get credit for it.

The fashion is based on Kid Creole, but the other stuff is Morris himself.

funksterr said:

leonche64 said:

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

Let's not forget to give Morris Day credit for his contributions. "The Character" is based on Morris himself. He also recruited the bandmembers, co-wrote and performed on all of the music. Prince didn't do everything.

Yes he did. See reply 39 and 41.

2elijah said:

Chill dude, didn't mean to touch your nerves. My comments are not a put-down of former members of the Time, so no reason to be oversensitive about it. From the interviews it seems they talk about doing their own thing now minus being under the direction of Prince, musically/business or image wise, so that gave me the impression they wanted to create a different performance style, image and music, not reflective of the former group under Prince's direction and his ownership of the group name.

What is so wrong about seeing them in their very,own creative image as a new group while as the '07?' They have the skills and talent and I respect them as musicians/artists. We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of the difference of opinions.

Secondly, I don't see 'The Time' image/stage presence/performance styles, as a separate entity from Prince, because the creation of that group and who it represented and the direction it was under, was Prince, and yes, the '07' still present themselves in that very, same image/stage presence/performance styles of the group f/k/a 'The Time'. That was my point.

Now the '07' is no longer 'The Time', but again they still reflect the former 'Time's image in every way. So at this point, they don't present themselves as a separate entity from Prince, because they're still walking in the same image, have the same stage presence and performance style of a group Prince created.

I respect your opinion, but I'm not letting up off of mine, so we just have to politely and respectfully disagree on this one. I'm not mad at ya though.

[Edited 11/22/11 20:00pm]

Ha ha, no biggie. It is impossible to convey "tone"on a written post. I ain't mad either. I just refuse on principle to put in smiley faces.

I understand 100% what you are saying. Now dig this. O7 is The Time, The Time is O7. Meaning the sound, image, moves, and all else that entails. If O7 came out next month dressed in t-shirts and playing EMO, you would not buy into it. If Prince hired 7 new guys, and called them The Time, taught them the songs, steps, etc...you would not buy into it.

The band is what it is. It can not exist without the Prince DNA, it can not exist with out the O7 DNA. If I concede they may not be truly separate entities, You may concede that they are definitelysymbiotic. Take out everything that Prince put in, and it dies. Try to do it with different personnel, it dies.