PurpleChi said:

Fury said:

PurpleChi said:

...especially since he's in the habit of helping to dim his exes careers. Forcing The Family and The Time to adopt unrecognizable names, blowing off Rosie Gaines' solo project which was slated to follow the popularity of the Diamonds and Pearls album, backing out of deals with Tamar's project hanging in the balance, then tossing her entire, completed, pressed album to the wind... Oh yes, Prince is notorious for helping to dim careers.

Then why do they keep coming back if these people feel they got short-changed somehow? Tamar, for instance, probably got 1000x the exposure she normally would have on her own-- cd or no cd. I can't name 10 people who have st Paul's solo cd [Edited 10/29/11 19:15pm]

Who came back to Prince??

funksterr said:

Fury said:

funksterr said: If doing the damn thing means selling 9,000 cd's... Well then yeah.

What it means is that the music is GOOD! More fun than anything Prince has done pretty much since The Time disbanded. And you can tell because, a certain segment of Prince fans seem desperate for something negative to cling to against O7. Why? Relax. Prince is still talented... I think.

asg said:

wonder505 said:

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

[Edited 10/29/11 17:30pm]

everyone is saying he doesnt sell anyone but thats to be expected radio sells records without radio no one sells and he is doing considerably better then most from the 80s. His albums still open very high and sell in the gold range even current hot artist like kanye west only manage to sell close to a million. even madonna doesnt sell much even when she manages to get some radio by doing duets with current hot acts. most of the artist just sell singles. albums sales even with radio support is considerable below prince level. u be suprised even the hot acts u listen regularly on radio and reach #1 sell less then prince albums.

His career did implode in the 90s but has made a comeback since musicology and has been pretty consistent since then. Having huge tours has helped maintian interest in his album sales too

I wont be surprised most associated artist r jealous of his continued success since most of thier careers have dimed considerably since the 80s

[Edited 10/29/11 18:40pm]

hmmm do you really mean what you say or are just trying to start something here with people. why would any of the associated artist be jealous? what makes you think they are not happy with the space they are in and their careers as musicians? they seem quite content.

[Edited 10/29/11 19:39pm]

Zannaloaf said:

Fury said:

PurpleChi said: Then why do they keep coming back if these people feel they got short-changed somehow? Tamar, for instance, probably got 1000x the exposure she normally would have on her own-- cd or no cd. I can't name 10 people who have st Paul's solo cd [Edited 10/29/11 19:15pm]

Who came back to Prince??

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

PurpleChi said:

Zannaloaf said:

Who came back to Prince??

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

prince always had rocky relationship with the time unlike sheila E he has strong relationship with her because she is submissive

PurpleChi said:

Zannaloaf said:

Who came back to Prince??

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

thats what i meant by people coming back to him--still guesting on his cd's and doing performances with him. just seems to me that these folks are independent and successful enough on their own that they choose to associate with him. if prince cheated W & L out of song credits, then why perform with him? if morris thinks prince was cheap and held the time back, why still associate with him? and as far as bria is concerned, she shoulda been glad that cd was a pretty much an add-on --no tour would have supported that

phunkdaddy said:

funksterr said:

What it means is that the music is GOOD! More fun than anything Prince has done pretty much since The Time disbanded. And you can tell because, a certain segment of Prince fans seem desperate for something negative to cling to against O7. Why? Relax. Prince is still talented... I think.

wish them nothing but love, but Prince could play all the time's hits note for note--since he wrote/performed on most of them

Fury said:

PurpleChi said:

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

thats what i meant by people coming back to him--still guesting on his cd's and doing performances with him. just seems to me that these folks are independent and successful enough on their own that they choose to associate with him. if prince cheated W & L out of song credits, then why perform with him? if morris thinks prince was cheap and held the time back, why still associate with him? and as far as bria is concerned, she shoulda been glad that cd was a pretty much an add-on --no tour would have supported that

Morris? Going back to Prince? um....he'ds BEEN the Time for 23 years on tour. How is that going back to Prince? Bria...you bring her up as an artist??

Fury said:

phunkdaddy said:

wish them nothing but love, but Prince could play all the time's hits note for note--since he wrote/performed on most of them

I'm sure the reverse is true as well...even tho they didn't write his material. What's your point?

Zannaloaf said:

Fury said:

thats what i meant by people coming back to him--still guesting on his cd's and doing performances with him. just seems to me that these folks are independent and successful enough on their own that they choose to associate with him. if prince cheated W & L out of song credits, then why perform with him? if morris thinks prince was cheap and held the time back, why still associate with him? and as far as bria is concerned, she shoulda been glad that cd was a pretty much an add-on --no tour would have supported that

Morris? Going back to Prince? um....he'ds BEEN the Time for 23 years on tour. How is that going back to Prince? Bria...you bring her up as an artist??

i was referring to the rave concert and one of those awards shows within the last few years where morris and jerome came on stage for like 45 seconds.

calm down:lol:

MickyDolenz said:

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said: True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction.

Prince is popular as a concert attraction. But he basically like The Stones, Sting, and Paul McCartney, not many people are buying his new albums. That is if they can find them or know they exist, not everyone has a Target or an European newspaper around. His last really popular album was in 1991. Rod Stewart still sell CDs. Maybe he has to release American Songbook albums to do it, but he's selling. Santana hadn't been selling albums since the 1970's until Clive Davis hooked him up with young acts for Supernatural. The mainstream Top 40 has pretty much always been a teen and people in their 20's thing. They tend not to gravitate to older acts or their parents' music. Was Frank Sinatra & Dean Martin selling in the 1970's? Would this new Tony Bennett album be selling if he wasn't dueting with young popular acts? Probably not. The O7 could have easily done that, especially since Jam & Lewis has produced songs for some of the young acts. Or they could have signed to Def Jam, which they were rumored to be doing. That probably would have resulted in having rappers on the tracks or working with the producer (beatmaker) of the month. But they didn't.

[Edited 10/29/11 16:00pm]

For which I am eternally grateful and relieved...otherwise I would have had to disown them like I did with Charlie Wilson,

babynoz said:

MickyDolenz said:

Prince is popular as a concert attraction. But he basically like The Stones, Sting, and Paul McCartney, not many people are buying his new albums. That is if they can find them or know they exist, not everyone has a Target or an European newspaper around. His last really popular album was in 1991. Rod Stewart still sell CDs. Maybe he has to release American Songbook albums to do it, but he's selling. Santana hadn't been selling albums since the 1970's until Clive Davis hooked him up with young acts for Supernatural. The mainstream Top 40 has pretty much always been a teen and people in their 20's thing. They tend not to gravitate to older acts or their parents' music. Was Frank Sinatra & Dean Martin selling in the 1970's? Would this new Tony Bennett album be selling if he wasn't dueting with young popular acts? Probably not. The O7 could have easily done that, especially since Jam & Lewis has produced songs for some of the young acts. Or they could have signed to Def Jam, which they were rumored to be doing. That probably would have resulted in having rappers on the tracks or working with the producer (beatmaker) of the month. But they didn't.

[Edited 10/29/11 16:00pm]

For which I am eternally grateful and relieved...otherwise I would have had to disown them like I did with Charlie Wilson,

oh jeez! I agree!

asg said:

PurpleChi said:

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

prince always had rocky relationship with the time unlike sheila E he has strong relationship with her because she is submissive

Oh lawd! Sheila submissive???

She's had many a falling out with P despite their strong connection, most recently after the Cali W2A shows. She even posted a statement about it on her FB though she didn't go into a lot of detail.

i am watching the fdeluxe simulcast-- very Prince-esque feel

wonder505 said:

babynoz said:

For which I am eternally grateful and relieved...otherwise I would have had to disown them like I did with Charlie Wilson,

oh jeez! I agree!

That would have burned my biscuits, I tell ya.

babynoz said:

asg said:

prince always had rocky relationship with the time unlike sheila E he has strong relationship with her because she is submissive

Oh lawd! Sheila submissive???

She's had many a falling out with P despite their strong connection, most recently after the Cali W2A shows. She even posted a statement about it on her FB though she didn't go into a lot of detail.

i shook my head at that too

she's the most successful one

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

[Edited 10/29/11 19:17pm]

That's a very weird thing to say especially since the O7 tour will not start till 2012 and Prince is doing Canada in 2011 so the tours are not overlapping. How does that blow the O7 away?

The thing is, if the O7 want to focus on moving forward then I will give them that space especially given the quality of their new cd. I always knew they had it in them and I'm gonna trust them to handle their bidness.

[Edited 10/29/11 21:06pm]

Fury said:

babynoz said:

Oh lawd! Sheila submissive???

She's had many a falling out with P despite their strong connection, most recently after the Cali W2A shows. She even posted a statement about it on her FB though she didn't go into a lot of detail.

i shook my head at that too

she's the most successful one

Sheila is very strong and has always been able to rise from adversity despite the many challenges in her life...I believe she loves P like a brother to this day but she knows how to deal with him because she's survived worse.

Fury said:

thats what i meant by people coming back to him--still guesting on his cd's and doing performances with him. just seems to me that these folks are independent and successful enough on their own that they choose to associate with him. if prince cheated W & L out of song credits, then why perform with him? if morris thinks prince was cheap and held the time back, why still associate with him? and as far as bria is concerned, she shoulda been glad that cd was a pretty much an add-on --no tour would have supported that

Teena Marie was ripped off by Motown, and they wouldn't release her records nor let her out of her contract. She had to sue, but she remained friends with Berry Gordy. Eric Clapton took George Harrison's wife and they remained friends. Members of The Beatles have played on each others albums after they broke up, even while they were suing each other in court during the 1970's. Eddie Van Halen & David Lee Roth were feuding for years, but they reunited for a tour and are supposedly recording a new album and so were Roger Waters and the other members of Pink Floyd. The Floyd reunited for the Live 8 concert. Since they reunited in 1994, The Eagles have been together longer than they originally were during their heyday. Just because someone has a disagreement doesn't neccesarily mean they stop associating with each other personally or professionally.

[Edited 10/29/11 22:54pm]

babynoz said:

Fury said:

i shook my head at that too

she's the most successful one

Sheila is very strong and has always been able to rise from adversity despite the many challenges in her life...I believe she loves P like a brother to this day but she knows how to deal with him because she's survived worse.

They need to makeup already!

wonder505 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

How on earth did Prince announcing a little Canadian tour "blow away" O7ven and their new CD? That doesn't even make sense. The only people who give a shit about his little tour are people on this site; the same people who seem to be the main ones who bought and raved about O7ven's new CD. And Prince performing the same ol' shit and saying the same ol' lines over and over again doesn't blow away the fact that O7ven just released a kick-ass CD (their first in 21 years). In fact, it doesn't even compare. Prince touring again? Whoopeddy damn doo.

[Edited 10/29/11 13:57pm]

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but have you been to a Prince concert lately? I highly doubt the thousands upon thousands who PACK the house to see Prince NOW, are only members of the Org. Puhleeze. Just because YOU don't care about Prince touring does not mean the rest of the world does not. wishful thinking on your part. I do agree though that I don't understand how the announcement of the tur blows away O7. maybe that is wishful thinking of the person who posted it. who knows.

No, you're absolutely correct! You ARE reading it wrong.

asg said:

wonder505 said:

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

[Edited 10/29/11 17:30pm]

everyone is saying he doesnt sell anyone but thats to be expected radio sells records without radio no one sells and he is doing considerably better then most from the 80s. His albums still open very high and sell in the gold range even current hot artist like kanye west only manage to sell close to a million. even madonna doesnt sell much even when she manages to get some radio by doing duets with current hot acts. most of the artist just sell singles. albums sales even with radio support is considerable below prince level. u be suprised even the hot acts u listen regularly on radio and reach #1 sell less then prince albums.

His career did implode in the 90s but has made a comeback since musicology and has been pretty consistent since then. Having huge tours has helped maintian interest in his album sales too

I wont be surprised most associated artist r jealous of his continued success since most of thier careers have dimed considerably since the 80s

[Edited 10/29/11 18:40pm]

And why is he not on radio? Because these new songs - by and large - aren't worth playing on the radio.

Zannaloaf said:

Fury said:

thats what i meant by people coming back to him--still guesting on his cd's and doing performances with him. just seems to me that these folks are independent and successful enough on their own that they choose to associate with him. if prince cheated W & L out of song credits, then why perform with him? if morris thinks prince was cheap and held the time back, why still associate with him? and as far as bria is concerned, she shoulda been glad that cd was a pretty much an add-on --no tour would have supported that

Morris? Going back to Prince? um....he'ds BEEN the Time for 23 years on tour. How is that going back to Prince? Bria...you bring her up as an artist??

Time did come back in '90 for graphiti bridge

alexnvrmnd777 said:

asg said:

everyone is saying he doesnt sell anyone but thats to be expected radio sells records without radio no one sells and he is doing considerably better then most from the 80s. His albums still open very high and sell in the gold range even current hot artist like kanye west only manage to sell close to a million. even madonna doesnt sell much even when she manages to get some radio by doing duets with current hot acts. most of the artist just sell singles. albums sales even with radio support is considerable below prince level. u be suprised even the hot acts u listen regularly on radio and reach #1 sell less then prince albums.

His career did implode in the 90s but has made a comeback since musicology and has been pretty consistent since then. Having huge tours has helped maintian interest in his album sales too

I wont be surprised most associated artist r jealous of his continued success since most of thier careers have dimed considerably since the 80s

[Edited 10/29/11 18:40pm]

And why is he not on radio? Because these new songs - by and large - aren't worth playing on the radio.

No one in their 50s gets any airplay.

asg said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And why is he not on radio? Because these new songs - by and large - aren't worth playing on the radio.

No one in their 50s gets any airplay.

El Debarge. Charlie Wilson. Age ain't nothing but a number.

funksterr said:

asg said:

No one in their 50s gets any airplay.

El Debarge. Charlie Wilson. Age ain't nothing but a number.

when did they have hits i havent heard them on radio

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

But many of his ex- employees are doing things in other avenues of the music industry that have nothing to do with cds in the way that we are familiar with. Some are successful in composing film scores, they work as session musicians, producers, songwriters, they write music for commercials and ad campaigns...and they have big ass homes with comfortable lives. From the few people I've known that have worked for him they harbor no feeling towards their ex boss as they're pretty much busy with living their own Post-Prince lives (and living very well). They work not for love of the celebrity spotlight, rather than from their undying love of music. And in running themselves as a business, there's little time to be worried about what ex-colleagues are doing, rather than stability and heir financial security. That's the success most working musicians care about at the end of the day, not necessarily how long the stage lights will be shining in their direction at a celebrity's side.

But OMG, I gotta laugh at the Lil Wayne comment . It just made me feel so old.

funksterr said:

asg said:

No one in their 50s gets any airplay.

El Debarge. Charlie Wilson. Age ain't nothing but a number.

If you count Urban AC radio. Other than that, they don't get spins on multiple formats like they used to.

daPrettyman said:

funksterr said:

El Debarge. Charlie Wilson. Age ain't nothing but a number.

If you count Urban AC radio. Other than that, they don't get spins on multiple formats like they used to.

Age has nothing to do with that.