I lurked on the Org about 10-12 years before I actually created an account a few years ago. I look at some of the threads (not just in P&R) and it seems that there are venom-filled fights/comments etc. that are made on them on a routine basis. I was just wondering why sometimes things get so nasty around here? Has it always been this way?? But, I have seen other threads that seem a bit more positive but for this to be a fan site of Prince there's a lot of negativity about him (and about other topics in general). Why is that?

yeah it gets rough. some insist that everyone agree and anyone that doesn't must be a liar. Or are spoon fed talking points and do not think for themselves.

I know i have a different point of view, sometimes wildly different. And I get hammered for it... i take it stride. But I pretty much like most people here.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Or are spoon fed talking points and do not think for themselves.

tell me again how planned parenthood is selling fully-grown babies who were birthed and then aborted, and how the deceptively edited video of a person who doesnt even work for PP proves it?


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[Edited 8/3/15 14:17pm]

NorthC said:

I've seen the Future and it will be... This thread will be removed to the org discussion forum.

yeah...

NorthC said:

I've seen the Future and it will be... This thread will be removed to the org discussion forum.

Hmm, well okay, maybe I should write "Why is P&R such a negative place?" instead??? Oh, but I think the WORST "fights" on here happen either in the Prince Music forum or here in P&R. I usually don't see things in General Discussion heat up as much.

NorthC said:

TITIB! This Is The Internet Baby! And compared to other sites, it's really not that bad. There's always people who enjoy bitching and moaning, dunno Y, but they do. The anonimity gives them protection. The site is the site. Is Bart negative? Or is he just laughing his ass off everytime he posts something and reads the responses? Maybe it's his idea of a joke. Who knows... [Edited 8/3/15 14:21pm]

Co-sign.

I think there should be less censorship and MORE controversy here. It´s a grown folks forum and I doubt that there are any millenials here. And even if there were....it´s the internet baby!

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Debates used to be way more heated, controversial, offensive and fun and sexy....and then most orgers left when they found this place too boring.

NorthC said:

Okay, about this forum... 9 out of 10 threads here are about race relations in the US and I usually don't join those discussions because I'm not an American. But things can get pretty heated in Prince: M&M as well. That's why I said, there's always people who like to especially when they can hide behind a [Edited 8/3/15 15:25pm]

That´s just tough love. People on the org love Prince´s older music so much and are aware that he is still immensely skilled and talented, but, unlike other artists who lose their spark after three or four albums, he is still around and is still successful but he makes the kind of "mistakes" that drive his old school fans insane.

It´s a lot of coulda-shoulda-woulda talk.

NorthC said:

Okay, about this forum... 9 out of 10 threads here are about race relations in the US and I usually don't join those discussions because I'm not an American. But things can get pretty heated in Prince: M&M as well. That's why I said, there's always people who like to especially when they can hide behind a
[Edited 8/3/15 15:25pm]

SeventeenDayze said:

NorthC said:

Okay, about this forum... 9 out of 10 threads here are about race relations in the US and I usually don't join those discussions because I'm not an American. But things can get pretty heated in Prince: M&M as well. That's why I said, there's always people who like to especially when they can hide behind a
[Edited 8/3/15 15:25pm]

So where are you from?

KoolEaze said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I lurked on the Org about 10-12 years before I actually created an account a few years ago. I look at some of the threads (not just in P&R) and it seems that there are venom-filled fights/comments etc. that are made on them on a routine basis. I was just wondering why sometimes things get so nasty around here? Has it always been this way?? But, I have seen other threads that seem a bit more positive but for this to be a fan site of Prince there's a lot of negativity about him (and about other topics in general). Why is that?

I have been lurking on the org for a few years and joined not long ago and i already know who to ignore and who are fair

Guitarhero said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I lurked on the Org about 10-12 years before I actually created an account a few years ago. I look at some of the threads (not just in P&R) and it seems that there are venom-filled fights/comments etc. that are made on them on a routine basis. I was just wondering why sometimes things get so nasty around here? Has it always been this way?? But, I have seen other threads that seem a bit more positive but for this to be a fan site of Prince there's a lot of negativity about him (and about other topics in general). Why is that?

I have been lurking on the org for a few years and joined not long ago and i already know who to ignore and who are fair

Yeah I am a veteran "lurker" too Yes, you have to know who to ignore and who you can interact with that won't drive you crazy!!

NorthC said:

SeventeenDayze said:

So where are you from?

Gouda, Netherlands.

Interesting. So there aren't problems with racism there?

SeventeenDayze said:

Guitarhero said:

I have been lurking on the org for a few years and joined not long ago and i already know who to ignore and who are fair

Yeah I am a veteran "lurker" too Yes, you have to know who to ignore and who you can interact with that won't drive you crazy!!

you would not want to interact with people that hold a different point of view.

But I do know what you mean. I have a very short ignore list. Some like to make up things. Some just make vicious personal comments. You got to let those go.

SeventeenDayze said:

NorthC said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Interesting. So there aren't problems with racism there?

Problems like that exist everywhere. It's just not as extreme here as it is in the US. In The Hague recently there was also a case of a coloured man being killed by the police and that led to a riot. But it's nowhere near as violent as in the US. We sometimes have shooting incidents, but it seems it's always ten times worse in the US.

wouldn't the 'ten times' be because the US is a much larger country with more people?

Netherlands:16.844.000 million

United States: 325.127.000 million

^ It's also possible that the number of guns per capita is a factor:

Number of guns per 100 residents in 2014:

United States: 88

The Netherlands: 3.9

https://en.wikipedia.org/...by_country


And

Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year:

United States: 10.64 (2013)
The Netherlands: 0.46 (2010)


https://en.wikipedia.org/...death_rate

NorthC said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Interesting. So there aren't problems with racism there?

Problems like that exist everywhere. It's just not as extreme here as it is in the US. In The Hague recently there was also a case of a coloured man being killed by the police and that led to a riot. But it's nowhere near as violent as in the US. We sometimes have shooting incidents, but it seems it's always ten times worse in the US.

I dunno, I assume that you're a white Dutch, correct? I would be interested in getting the opinion of a non-white Dutch about racism there in the Netherlands....

NorthC said:

Langeblue is right. Germany is larger than Holland, but not more violent. Americans have been obsessed with guns since the days of the Wild West. That's got something to do with it.

lol

well most Americans haven't been a part of the Wild West.
So it's probably rooted more in a feeling of a certain kind of freedom, freedom for protection of that freedom being taken. America has a level of fear too. Most of Americans (outside of the Natives and African slaves) came to escape European issues.

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Switzerland citizens (are they obsessed with guns?) Seems to be rooted in the same fear.

liberty comes at a price. one cost is that people will misuse it. What is important is to be steadfast against those that would exploit a crisis to take away a basic civil liberty.

NorthC said:

Non-white Dutch are usually Morrocan, Turkish, Somalian or from the Dutch Antilles or Surinam and they're not into Prince (except some of the Surinamers), so you won't find them on this site! And yes, there is racism here. If your last name is Jansen or Van Vliet or any other common Dutch name, it's easier to find a job than when your last name is Bin Mohammed or something like that. Those things happen. But I think over here, it's more a cultural thing than a race thing. In the 1960s/70s a lot of immigrants from the Morocco and Turkey arrived to do menial jobs. Nobody thought they would stay, but they did. And they let their families come over. Which meant wives from Morocco who never left their village and were illiterate all of a sudden found themselves in a strange country. And their children grew up between those two worlds. And then after 9/11 everything became worse. Muslims were blamed for the attacks, anti-immigrant political parties emerged, some muslims responded by becoming even more muslim. I'd be the last person to say my country has no problems! But still, we don't have as much violence as some other countries. [Edited 8/4/15 14:09pm]

That's interesting...From what I have personally seen and read about, it seems that Europe's non-white population is growing and the white population is shrinking rapidly. This probably also contributed to the xenophoboa and racism that has been taking over Europe over the past few decades.

I don't actually think the Org is a negative place

There is a lot of positivity here

I think that the negative is just outrageous, so it looks extremely big

And of course there are people who take liberties with hiding behind anonymous IDs to take types of opinions to the 9th power of negative

OldFriends4Sale said:

NorthC said:

Non-white Dutch are usually Morrocan, Turkish, Somalian or from the Dutch Antilles or Surinam and they're not into Prince (except some of the Surinamers), so you won't find them on this site! And yes, there is racism here. If your last name is Jansen or Van Vliet or any other common Dutch name, it's easier to find a job than when your last name is Bin Mohammed or something like that. Those things happen. But I think over here, it's more a cultural thing than a race thing. In the 1960s/70s a lot of immigrants from the Morocco and Turkey arrived to do menial jobs. Nobody thought they would stay, but they did. And they let their families come over. Which meant wives from Morocco who never left their village and were illiterate all of a sudden found themselves in a strange country. And their children grew up between those two worlds. And then after 9/11 everything became worse. Muslims were blamed for the attacks, anti-immigrant political parties emerged, some muslims responded by becoming even more muslim. I'd be the last person to say my country has no problems! But still, we don't have as much violence as some other countries. [Edited 8/4/15 14:09pm]

Ahem....I´m Turkish, and I know a few other Turkish Prince fans. Prince is quite popular among my generation.

But I don´t know about Dutch-Turks. They might have a different taste in music. What I do know is that Turkish döner kebaps are much, much better in Germany compared to what passes as a döner kebap in the Netherlands. And the mentality is a bit different, too. At least based on my experience and encounters I´ve had in the Netherlands.

But yes, technically you might be right because I am not Dutch.