OnlyNDaUsa said:

liberty comes at a price. one cost is that people will misuse it. What is important is to be steadfast against those that would exploit a crisis to take away a basic civil liberty.

Sounds like you are referring to calls for more gun control. But what you just said could also be applied to more scrutiny, surveillance and less liberties in the post 9/11 era. Both Democrats and Republicans have passed laws that allow more surveillance and take away certain liberties. How steadfast can citizens be if both administrations (Reps and Dems) seem to be ok with that?

NorthC said:

NorthC said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol

well most Americans haven't been a part of the Wild West.
So it's probably rooted more in a feeling of a certain kind of freedom, freedom for protection of that freedom being taken. America has a level of fear too. Most of Americans (outside of the Natives and African slaves) came to escape European issues.

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Switzerland citizens (are they obsessed with guns?) Seems to be rooted in the same fear.

That's true. There is this pioneer spirit in America that you can make it there free from the restrictions of European society, but unfortunately, there were already people living there and they had to be removed. The whole history about America, north AND south is about Europeans moving in and violently taking the land, the whole mothafuckin' continent, from the people who lived there. Americans live on stolen land. Taken with guns. Sorry if I'm being a bit harsh, but that's the way I see it. And you really cannot say the same thing about Switzerland. They manage to live together while speaking four different languages.

Nothing harsh about it, I know our history, and I have recent Native-American(Blackfoot) ancestry. And close friends Algonquin, Mohawk. I'm very much aware of Native issues/history.

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Europeans have always been trying to take over each others lands. Same with parts of Asia, part of Africa, and even certain Native nations trying to wipe out or take over lands of other Natives.

So the 'stolen' with guns makes no difference. It could have been swords, spears, or diseases and intermixing.

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England holds onto an obsession with Kings and Queens Prince(sses) and Dukes & Knighting

Still...
A system that kept the poor poor and the rich richer

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But the fear is still a very similar issue (after all the Euro descendant-Americans are still 'technically' from Europe). Switzerlands 'obsession' with guns is still connected in a fear of being invaded or their lifestyle and culture being invaded.

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But an obsession with guns and 'the Wild West' is far from the truth.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't actually think the Org is a negative place

There is a lot of positivity here

I think that the negative is just outrageous, so it looks extremely big

And of course there are people who take liberties with hiding behind anonymous IDs to take types of opinions to the 9th power of negative

another thing to add...

Some people seek the wrong kind of attention, and many orgers can't just ignore them.

We feed the troll. Trolls feast well on the Org.
And that bring out the negative as well or what seems negative.

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1 more thing is peoples definition of negative. Some people think if you aren't agreeing with me laughing and talking the same thing, that you are being negative.

And if you don't like everything Prince does, you aren't a fan and being negative.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't actually think the Org is a negative place

There is a lot of positivity here

I think that the negative is just outrageous, so it looks extremely big

And of course there are people who take liberties with hiding behind anonymous IDs to take types of opinions to the 9th power of negative

another thing to add...

Some people seek the wrong kind of attention, and many orgers can't just ignore them.

We feed the troll. Trolls feast well on the Org.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't actually think the Org is a negative place

There is a lot of positivity here

I think that the negative is just outrageous, so it looks extremely big

And of course there are people who take liberties with hiding behind anonymous IDs to take types of opinions to the 9th power of negative

another thing to add...

Some people seek the wrong kind of attention, and many orgers can't just ignore them.

We feed the troll. Trolls feast well on the Org.
And that bring out the negative as well or what seems negative.

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1 more thing is peoples definition of negative. Some people think if you aren't agreeing with me laughing and talking the same thing, that you are being negative.

And if you don't like everything Prince does, you aren't a fan and being negative.

How can you tell if someone is a troll or not?

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

another thing to add...

Some people seek the wrong kind of attention, and many orgers can't just ignore them.

We feed the troll. Trolls feast well on the Org.
And that bring out the negative as well or what seems negative.

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1 more thing is peoples definition of negative. Some people think if you aren't agreeing with me laughing and talking the same thing, that you are being negative.

And if you don't like everything Prince does, you aren't a fan and being negative.

How can you tell if someone is a troll or not?

www.prince.org/msg/3/415295

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

another thing to add...

Some people seek the wrong kind of attention, and many orgers can't just ignore them.

We feed the troll. Trolls feast well on the Org.
And that bring out the negative as well or what seems negative.

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1 more thing is peoples definition of negative. Some people think if you aren't agreeing with me laughing and talking the same thing, that you are being negative.

And if you don't like everything Prince does, you aren't a fan and being negative.

How can you tell if someone is a troll or not?

It is hard, most of the time you don't recognize it until after you realize the person who made the comment or question, is no where to be found, and you've been sucked in.
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Other times, I noticed, it's 'member's who I've never heard of or seen before, who jump into a discussion that is 'controversial' ie usually race or religion sometimes sexuality/gender issues, and if you click on their 'last time they have posted' it's has been a looong time ago' -and the response is usually breaking all kinds of rules.

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the majority are just Flame posts, the intent is to get something crazy going.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

How can you tell if someone is a troll or not?

It is hard, most of the time you don't recognize it until after you realize the person who made the comment or question, is no where to be found, and you've been sucked in.
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Other times, I noticed, it's 'member's who I've never heard of or seen before, who jump into a discussion that is 'controversial' ie usually race or religion sometimes sexuality/gender issues, and if you click on their 'last time they have posted' it's has been a looong time ago' -and the response is usually breaking all kinds of rules.

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the majority are just Flame posts, the intent is to get something crazy going.

I dunno, I've seen people who post a lot on the Org that I would classify as trolls. Not going to name any names though!

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is hard, most of the time you don't recognize it until after you realize the person who made the comment or question, is no where to be found, and you've been sucked in.
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Other times, I noticed, it's 'member's who I've never heard of or seen before, who jump into a discussion that is 'controversial' ie usually race or religion sometimes sexuality/gender issues, and if you click on their 'last time they have posted' it's has been a looong time ago' -and the response is usually breaking all kinds of rules.

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the majority are just Flame posts, the intent is to get something crazy going.

I dunno, I've seen people who post a lot on the Org that I would classify as trolls. Not going to name any names though!

yeah some do not like how others think or that they think differently... you may have noticed I got trolled in this very topic--someone made up something about me.


to me a troll offers nothing...just because they are different is not the same thing. Some people just have vastly different points of views.


to me a troll will make up stuff about someone just to put them down or discredit them. One of the best is saying they get their info from some source(as if that as a bad thing)... or maybe they just come to a similar conclusion?

to me a troll will resort to name calling and attack the messenger and not the message

it is best to ignore those posts...

SeventeenDayze said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is hard, most of the time you don't recognize it until after you realize the person who made the comment or question, is no where to be found, and you've been sucked in.
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Other times, I noticed, it's 'member's who I've never heard of or seen before, who jump into a discussion that is 'controversial' ie usually race or religion sometimes sexuality/gender issues, and if you click on their 'last time they have posted' it's has been a looong time ago' -and the response is usually breaking all kinds of rules.

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the majority are just Flame posts, the intent is to get something crazy going.

I dunno, I've seen people who post a lot on the Org that I would classify as trolls. Not going to name any names though!

Well disagreements and difference of opinions doesn't make one a troll.
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A troll for fun may try to derail a thread just by posting something not even on topic and see who takes the bate. ie don't feed the trolls

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There are many of us who have a strong stance on particular issues and will disagree until the cows come home. Doesn't make any of us trolls on that. I mean think of it this way. If you have a sister or a parent that you have lots of discussions on but on particular subjects you will never agree on. The other person questions certain things, beliefs, phrases, where this or that comes from...

that can really annoy people but it doesn't make it wrong. You would say Mom, Sis, you are a troll...
Like on debate forums. 2+ people on opposite sides questioning, challenging, stating very opposing things. That isn't trolling.

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There are people I have 95% disagreement with on certain subjects in the P&R forum, that in the PM&M forum we see eye to eye and agree on most things.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I dunno, I've seen people who post a lot on the Org that I would classify as trolls. Not going to name any names though!

yeah some do not like how others think or that they think differently... you may have noticed I got trolled in this very topic--someone made up something about me.


to me a troll offers nothing...just because they are different is not the same thing. Some people just have vastly different points of views.


to me a troll will make up stuff about someone just to put them down or discredit them. One of the best is saying they get their info from some source(as if that as a bad thing)... or maybe they just come to a similar conclusion?

to me a troll will resort to name calling and attack the messenger and not the message

it is best to ignore those posts...

rule #1

A good general rule: "criticize" ideas, not people." I've watched and noticed that many people don't get it, that 'criticizing ideas is not wrong, it isn't trolling a person.
Once the person begins attacking/criticizing the individual then it's wrong.

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I was accused of being a troll after the other person realized their arguement was wrong, and I was right. And they were the ones that started the debate lol

hifidelity67 said:

I'm good .. never a negative thing a spoken

I think what I am referring to is the general conversations held on the Org, not necessarily what you yourself post when you're here.

another thing to add, is we forget that we don't always know the ages of other member, nor their first language, or nationality.

If the person is a socialpath or just has SAD

We can't actually tell the expressions behind peoples posts (whether really angry happy playing around sarcastic etc)