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Thread started 06/20/09 3:59am

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Scott Addison Clay/10 albums of vault material?

I know that in the lead up to the launch of the Lotusflow3r site Scott Addison Clay mentioned 10 albums of vault material were in the process of being mastered. I also remember him saying that those albums may become available from Lotusflow3r. Unfortunately I can not seem to find the article. Does anyone know what I am referring to and if so could you post a link?
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Reply #1 posted 06/20/09 8:15am

tangerine7

i think here in this thread > http://prince.org/msg/13/311440 < is a link.
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Reply #2 posted 06/20/09 3:47pm

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No promises were made. But it was a very opportunistic piece of red-herring marketing, considering it came to light just before the site went live. I think the majority of us knew that there would be no such music made available.

Prince has always wanted to be your everything. On his first hit single, back in 1979, the R&B Romeo declared his intention to become not only your lover, but "your mother and your sister, too." The public compromised by letting him become pop's polyamorous changeling. During his "Purple Rain" guitar solos, Prince could be our Jimi. When funking it up with "Kiss," he was a falsetto-voiced James Brown. He even showed an affinity for Joni Mitchell–style lyricism, giving her a shout-out on "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker." So when Prince ditched his record company in favor of self-distribution during the '90s, anticipation ran high. Since he had been battling over the right to release as many albums as he wished—instead of a measly one per year—the upside was implicit: Prince was going to tear it up on the Web. There were rumors of unreleased, would-be hits, deliciously out-there funk sessions and hundreds of other Princely experiments that could finally hit the marketplace. That treasure trove never fully materialized. His online "music clubs" came and went with each new Prince recording, but they were frustratingly uneven. Worse, the best new tracks came saddled with antipiracy technology that didn't play nice with your iPod. Prince's last site went dark mere months after charging for "lifetime" memberships.

Now Prince—the first marquee musician to flirt with the Web—wants to go on another virtual date. While he is partnering with Target to sell a new three-CD set for the recession-proof price of $11.98, Prince will also offer subscriptions to his new site, Lotusflow3r.com, for a not-so-recession-proof $77 per year. With the physical albums available so cheaply at a bigbox retailer, you'd be forgiven for wondering whether the site could possibly be worth that much. More important than the economic rationale, perhaps, is whether Prince can use the Web to advance any artistic payoff.

Prince's counterintuitive move to charge top dollar for a digital home that duplicates music available on CDs is a new strategy for inducing hard-core fans to pay more. Nine Inch Nails tried the reverse in 2008 by offering multiple MP3 downloads for virtually nothing, and then enticing fans to pony up as much as $300 for deluxe, fetish-object box sets. While Radiohead's own pay-what-you-wish MP3 gambit is cited as a revolution, it's often forgotten that their site also sold a premium box-set version of "In Rainbows" for $81. Even smaller acts are getting creative. Cult country wit Robbie Fulks recently released 50 new songs—a Prince-like deluge—exclusively via his Web site for $35. Fulks isn't sure whether he'll release the music on CD, but says this is not just an eco-nomic experiment. By writing many more songs than could fit on a standard disc, Fulks says he was trying to discover new musical ideas that might not have occurred "under more stringent self-censorship." (His plan worked.)


As other artists learn to harness the Web for creative reasons as well as financial ones, Prince can no longer skate on his reputation for being pop's first online mover. Scott Addison Clay, the artist's latest Web developer, gave NEWSWEEK AN advance tour of the Web site, and it seems better designed than Prince's past efforts. The music, by the way, sounds exciting. "Boom" mixes psychedelia with funk rhythms and orgiastic guitar. When Prince deigns to adopt modern fads, such as Auto Tune–like pitch-bending in the song "Chocolate Box," he innovates by harmonizing with the digital sounds in a way T-Pain could never accomplish. But all that mere music can be had at Target for less than $12 starting March 29. Ultimately, the site, which is set to debut before the Target street date, will have to thrive apart from those first three albums. Clay says future plans for Lotus flow3r.com include a hybrid documentary-music video. But the deal-sealer, he concedes, is the potential for streaming live, VIP-only concerts from Prince's Los Angeles mansion. "There could be a live chat going on with members watching a concert, and Prince could actually play requests," Clay says. He also claims a colleague has organized 10 albums of old Prince music never released in any form. Should there exist an all-tuba record Prince recorded half out of his mind back in 1988, now he's got a place to let it toot—if only he can commit to digitizing all his diamonds and pearls.

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Source: http://www.newsweek.com/id/189242

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[Edited 6/20/09 15:49pm]
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Reply #3 posted 06/20/09 5:58pm

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It's all in the wording:
"the potential for ..."
"there could be a ..."
"A collegue..." (ie. not Prince himself)
"if only he can commit..." (ie. no promises)

I want my all-tuba record! fit
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Reply #4 posted 06/20/09 7:48pm

BriaVelveeta

I bet Prince never returns their calls.
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Reply #5 posted 06/21/09 3:13pm

polkadotbliss

lol-i think this is definately Prince's problem though a shitty crappy botched launch-deffo now its surely Prince's call what goes up on there and when-its now a month since undertaker-which is not even a rarity let alone most of us have it already.
i paid to join a Prince site-only he can supply the goods now its up and we are 'members' lol

i laugh cuz were members of.....an empty-soul-less non-community....a nothing

That aint what they advertised at all-and the creators did their job-its up
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Reply #6 posted 06/21/09 3:35pm

Vendetta1

toejam said:

It's all in the wording:
"the potential for ..."
"there could be a ..."
"A collegue..." (ie. not Prince himself)
"if only he can commit..." (ie. no promises)

I want my all-tuba record! fit
This is a damn shame. Carrot dangling at its finest.
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Reply #7 posted 06/22/09 5:37am

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squirrelgrease said:

No promises were made. But it was a very opportunistic piece of red-herring marketing, considering it came to light just before the site went live. I think the majority of us knew that there would be no such music made available.



whistling

http://prince.org/msg/13/300799
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #8 posted 06/22/09 11:44am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

squirrelgrease said:

No promises were made. But it was a very opportunistic piece of red-herring marketing, considering it came to light just before the site went live. I think the majority of us knew that there would be no such music made available.



whistling

http://prince.org/msg/13/300799


Hey, thanks for that. Worthwhile to re-read that thread. I forgot about my statement at the time...

squirrelgrease said:
This is some serious déjà vu all over again. When those 10 albums become available, I'll leave my Chubacabra with the neighbors, and ride my Unicorn straight to the Atlantis branch of Wells Fargo and withdraw $77.


So I still have my $77.
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Reply #9 posted 06/22/09 12:45pm

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squirrelgrease said:


Hey, thanks for that. Worthwhile to re-read that thread. I forgot about my statement at the time...

squirrelgrease said:
This is some serious déjà vu all over again. When those 10 albums become available, I'll leave my Chubacabra with the neighbors, and ride my Unicorn straight to the Atlantis branch of Wells Fargo and withdraw $77.


So I still have my $77.


nod My first comment on that thread...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

77.00 for a bunch of could bes, may bes and potentiallys!
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #10 posted 06/22/09 1:45pm

stanleylieber

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hey dudes give him a chance it's only month four
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #11 posted 06/22/09 1:58pm

RodeoSchro

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hey dudes give him a chance it's only month four


It's hard for me to believe there's not a problem somewhere. I just hope it isn't Prince's health.

But something isn't right. Lotusflow3r is a bomb, and not "tha bomb".
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Reply #12 posted 06/22/09 2:00pm

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RodeoSchro said:

stanleylieber said:

hey dudes give him a chance it's only month four


It's hard for me to believe there's not a problem somewhere. I just hope it isn't Prince's health.

But something isn't right. Lotusflow3r is a bomb, and not "tha bomb".


This is pretty much stand operating procedure, though, isn't it? When has anything ever gone smoothly?
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #13 posted 06/22/09 4:58pm

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stanleylieber said:

hey dudes give him a chance it's only month four



Hey! Welcome back Stan. beer
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Reply #14 posted 06/22/09 4:59pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:[quote]

squirrelgrease said:


Hey, thanks for that. Worthwhile to re-read that thread. I forgot about my statement at the time...

squirrelgrease said:


nod My first comment on that thread...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

77.00 for a bunch of could bes, may bes and potentiallys!


We'll, we tried to warn 'em anyways. hug
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Reply #15 posted 06/22/09 5:19pm

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squirrelgrease said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



We'll, we tried to warn 'em anyways. hug


hug We sure did!

I made a song about it. Want to hear...ok see it...here it go:

http://prince.org/msg/13/311348
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Reply #16 posted 06/22/09 5:21pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

squirrelgrease said:



We'll, we tried to warn 'em anyways. hug


hug We sure did!

I made a song about it. Want to hear...ok see it...here it go:

http://prince.org/msg/13/311348


falloff
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Reply #17 posted 06/22/09 5:24pm

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squirrelgrease said:

stanleylieber said:

hey dudes give him a chance it's only month four



Hey! Welcome back Stan. beer


Thank you kindly! biggrin
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Reply #18 posted 06/22/09 5:41pm

Vendetta1

stanleylieber said:

squirrelgrease said:




Hey! Welcome back Stan. beer


Thank you kindly! biggrin
mushy
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Reply #19 posted 06/23/09 1:34am

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squirrelgrease said:

I think the majority of us knew that there would be no such music made available.

nod
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Reply #20 posted 06/23/09 2:52am

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He had me at "exclusive content in the first week that may never be available again" lol

I am still optimistic that new content will be added at some point over the next few months, but the potential for more regular additions (monthly at least) and even previously unreleased audio content that you have to pay extra for has been been wasted so far.
Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #21 posted 06/23/09 3:14am

rialb

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squirrelgrease said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



We'll, we tried to warn 'em anyways. hug

Yes, yes you did. And I am a very stupid man for failing to heed those warnings.
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Reply #22 posted 06/23/09 3:41am

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toejam said:

I want my all-tuba record! fit


Then this is what it would sound like (also with ukulele):

Aka Mister T at moquake.com
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Reply #23 posted 06/23/09 6:49am

polkadotbliss

and they haven't got long left of june-where they promise TWO video's would be added.....whats the betting they add nothing.....?

PS-and the undertaker was added 22nd may.....Lotus said it was june in a mail to me lol-even they don't know
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Reply #24 posted 06/23/09 7:03am

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But the deal-sealer, he concedes, is the potential for streaming live, VIP-only concerts from Prince's Los Angeles mansion. "There could be a live chat going on with members watching a concert, and Prince could actually play requests," Clay says. He also claims a colleague has organized 10 albums of old Prince music never released in any form. Should there exist an all-tuba record Prince recorded half out of his mind back in 1988, now he's got a place to let it toot—if only he can commit to digitizing all his diamonds and pearls.


As someone posted earlier, it's all in the wording:

In order: Potential, could be, could, claims, should, if.

I was skeptical, and didn't 100% believe the hype, but I did join. I'm hoping something redeeming comes our way before the end of the year.
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Reply #25 posted 06/23/09 7:11am

polkadotbliss

why dont we ALL mail Scott and ask him to explain himself.....anyone got his e-mail.....?

In fact-I think it's time a few of the reporters that gave the place a glowing write up before going live should know the reality of the situation cuz personally-if its staying as flat and soul free as it is-i'd rather a partial refund ($65 please) and they may as well close as far as im concerned eek
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Reply #26 posted 06/23/09 7:15am

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polkadotbliss said:

why dont we ALL mail Scott and ask him to explain himself.....anyone got his e-mail.....?

In fact-I think it's time a few of the reporters that gave the place a glowing write up before going live should know the reality of the situation cuz personally-if its staying as flat and soul free as it is-i'd rather a partial refund ($65 please) and they may as well close as far as im concerned eek


But according to the terms, the site has delivered everything it promised. Isn't that true?
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Reply #27 posted 06/23/09 7:17am

polkadotbliss

erm.....a t shirt for one lol
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Reply #28 posted 06/23/09 7:21am

polkadotbliss

i'd also be MASSIVELY intarested in knowing his reasons for these outrageous hyping comments. Done innocently through over excitedness? did he know the reality was so bad he felt the need to exaggerate so much. Man a q and a with him would be dynamite. I'm guessing he's.....not in the office for a spell .shocker eek
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Reply #29 posted 06/23/09 12:35pm

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Se7en said:

polkadotbliss said:

why dont we ALL mail Scott and ask him to explain himself.....anyone got his e-mail.....?

In fact-I think it's time a few of the reporters that gave the place a glowing write up before going live should know the reality of the situation cuz personally-if its staying as flat and soul free as it is-i'd rather a partial refund ($65 please) and they may as well close as far as im concerned eek


But according to the terms, the site has delivered everything it promised. Isn't that true?

Unfortunately you are correct. Technically the site has already delivered everything promised (assuming that the t-shirts are eventually shipped). However, as others have pointed out, if this is all that the site is going to deliver even gullible Prince fans will be extremely reluctant to give up any cash on his next site. In the short term Prince may have suckered us but in the long term he risks cutting his own throat, financially speaking, by not delivering $77.00 worth of content.
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