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Reply #120 posted 03/26/09 7:37am

Anxiety

trust4u said:

I checked Lotus early this morning it seems they have added security certificates to the site (note the pad lock in bottom right corner of your browser) and the streaming video is running smoothly in both regular and full screen modes.

It seems the developers are working to correct the issues.


i'm not surprised. this is a big opportunity for the people who are designing and running the site, so they're going to want to work hard to make not only prince but the fans/members happy.
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Reply #121 posted 03/26/09 7:41am

bouche

They really should have provided a lite version for people with weaker machines. Accessibility here would make sense. We don't need a spinning fucking 3d globe to select and watch videos or look at pictures.
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Reply #122 posted 03/26/09 7:43am

sunkissedbroth
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Anxiety said:

This note just came our way:


We understand that several people have had issues with the site, and we're working diligently to address them all as quickly as possible. With the great amount of traffic that we've received there have been some issues getting the large amount of content in the site out to everyone simultaneously. We're currently doubling the size of our server farm in order to make sure that fans can get all of the albums and videos they desire. To accommodate our friends overseas we've relaxed some of the normal security checks put in place by American banks. Since the vault has 3D and video, which is pushing the boundary of the web and current technology, only newer machines can adequately handle it. If fans are experiencing choppy videos in the vault, they should click the fullscreen button on the video and it should improve their experience. Thanks to everyone for their patience while we scale up LotusFlow3r.com to accommodate the great response from Prince fans all over the world.

Thanks so much,
Scott


This guy is great!!! I e-mailed him with some concerns a couple of days ago, and I received a response back within less than 24 hours. I know someone mentioned earlier that they e-mailed the support and had not received a return e-mail back yet, but the thing to keep in mind is that the site is new. And as it is with any thing new (especially something such as this) there is no way to completly know (before hand) every conceivable glitch there might be. I think the support team got the message loud and clear as to how people felt about the riddle. The thing is, even though it was a little frustrating,....actually, it was very frustrating...nevertheless, over all, I am pleased, and very much excited about the site, and it is reassuring to know that there is a real live on-hand IT department to help out with the rough spots.

Sunkissedbrotha (what up Scott...Maurice Page here)
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Reply #123 posted 03/26/09 7:45am

Rorywan

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Have a look at it now!
ha ha. The whole screen is corrupt.

nice effect!
"My God it's full of Stars"
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Reply #124 posted 03/26/09 7:53am

CarrieMpls

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Anxiety said:

trust4u said:

I checked Lotus early this morning it seems they have added security certificates to the site (note the pad lock in bottom right corner of your browser) and the streaming video is running smoothly in both regular and full screen modes.

It seems the developers are working to correct the issues.


i'm not surprised. this is a big opportunity for the people who are designing and running the site, so they're going to want to work hard to make not only prince but the fans/members happy.


nod

I'll check in again when I get home and I'm looking forward to it.

The complaints have been legitimate, but it's obvious they're working hard to correct them as quickly as they can. We've seen fix after fix in direct response to the problems pointed out. All within less than 48 hours of the site opening. I DO think these things should have been tested before the launch, but I'm very pleased with the response so far with the Prince-y peeps involved.
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Reply #125 posted 03/26/09 7:59am

trust4u

Anxiety said:

trust4u said:

I checked Lotus early this morning it seems they have added security certificates to the site (note the pad lock in bottom right corner of your browser) and the streaming video is running smoothly in both regular and full screen modes.

It seems the developers are working to correct the issues.


i'm not surprised. this is a big opportunity for the people who are designing and running the site, so they're going to want to work hard to make not only prince but the fans/members happy.


I agree.. I have developed sites for business clients and when the site opens on the first day, often there are always problems and it takes days to work the issues, so i am impressed with the hard work the developers are doing. I know all about servers getting slammed with traffic. Millions of users entering Credit Card info at the very least the site will be jittery.
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Reply #126 posted 03/26/09 8:01am

IstenSzek

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CarrieMpls said:

Anxiety said:



i'm not surprised. this is a big opportunity for the people who are designing and running the site, so they're going to want to work hard to make not only prince but the fans/members happy.


nod

I'll check in again when I get home and I'm looking forward to it.
The complaints have been legitimate, but it's obvious they're working hard to correct them as quickly as they can. We've seen fix after fix in direct response to the problems pointed out. All within less than 48 hours of the site opening. I DO think these things should have been tested before the launch, but I'm very pleased with the response so far with the Prince-y peeps involved.


i just went over there to check things out again and now i can't even get
the video's to play for more than 30 seconds before they simply STOP and
you have to start them up again from the beginning. even in full screen
mode.

falloff
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Reply #127 posted 03/26/09 8:01am

housequake1999

I have a good question!

Are these two web designers going to be running around on Saturday pitching the web site.

By the comments I am reading, they better not step into the LA Live complex.

Too funny...
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Reply #128 posted 03/26/09 8:12am

BlueZebra

Purpracer2 said:

I think the website has great potential...when it gets fixed. I love the graphics and interactive parts... and I can be patient until I can download the music.. I'll just listen 2 it on my computer until... smile


You don't pay $77 for "potential" right ?

That's like shelling out $30k for a non-existing car that MAY come full-option, with a rad engine and unprecedented ICE, but we give you 4 tires right now.
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Reply #129 posted 03/26/09 8:13am

Copycat

Why didn't they have the foresight to perform a stress test on the site in advance of the official launch?
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Reply #130 posted 03/26/09 8:21am

djenerate

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Still a lot of bitching about glitches, which will no doubt be addressed.

But still nothing about the overcharging.

My bank account is now empty & is about to become overdrawn with an imminent standing order (which I will be charged for). Very disappointed!

(D')
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Reply #131 posted 03/26/09 8:22am

BartVanHemelen

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Purpracer2 said:

I'm just curious if anybody can tell me... since there were problems with downloading the albums, when I read the terms and conditions, it said that you can only download each album once... after that, you can't.


You don't even need an account to DL anything from the site. There is ZERO security. If someone were to post the URL of a zip or a video, anyone could download it.
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Reply #132 posted 03/26/09 8:23am

BartVanHemelen

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danzakairos said:

Thus the reason why I have not joined, like i said because they still need to work out the gliches,


The site IS the glitch.
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Reply #133 posted 03/26/09 8:33am

EmancipationLo
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sunkissedbrotha said:

Anxiety said:

This note just came our way:


We understand that several people have had issues with the site, and we're working diligently to address them all as quickly as possible. With the great amount of traffic that we've received there have been some issues getting the large amount of content in the site out to everyone simultaneously. We're currently doubling the size of our server farm in order to make sure that fans can get all of the albums and videos they desire. To accommodate our friends overseas we've relaxed some of the normal security checks put in place by American banks. Since the vault has 3D and video, which is pushing the boundary of the web and current technology, only newer machines can adequately handle it. If fans are experiencing choppy videos in the vault, they should click the fullscreen button on the video and it should improve their experience. Thanks to everyone for their patience while we scale up LotusFlow3r.com to accommodate the great response from Prince fans all over the world.

Thanks so much,
Scott


This guy is great!!! I e-mailed him with some concerns a couple of days ago, and I received a response back within less than 24 hours. I know someone mentioned earlier that they e-mailed the support and had not received a return e-mail back yet, but the thing to keep in mind is that the site is new. And as it is with any thing new (especially something such as this) there is no way to completly know (before hand) every conceivable glitch there might be. I think the support team got the message loud and clear as to how people felt about the riddle. The thing is, even though it was a little frustrating,....actually, it was very frustrating...nevertheless, over all, I am pleased, and very much excited about the site, and it is reassuring to know that there is a real live on-hand IT department to help out with the rough spots.

Sunkissedbrotha (what up Scott...Maurice Page here)


So you want to honestly tell me that

- they didn't try to get any info on how to implement a credit card payment system suitable for WORLDWIDE payments

and

- no one made a test dowmload of the music files before it went online???

eek
prince
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Reply #134 posted 03/26/09 8:37am

IstenSzek

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EmancipationLover said:


- no one made a test dowmload of the music files before it went online???

eek


i guess not. i just got word back about my question regarding the playtime
of the track "boom"

it's 03:19 on the download and yet the runningtime on the site says it is
actually 04:54.

people on here kept saying it was meant to be like that and how great it
segues into "the morning after" (which is doesn't).

staff now reported back that they will look into it since the file might
have been corrupted after all.

falloff

disbelief

Last night an enormous amount of people hit the site. That may have messed up the download. Please try again, after this first explosion of humans.

wait. what? so the people logging in are once again to blame?

lol these guys are too much, really.
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Reply #135 posted 03/26/09 8:46am

dartluv5

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ShadeoViolet said:

I just feel, as a graphic design minor, I might have at least a tiny bit of insight on this issue...

When designing anything, we were always taught that FUNCTIONALITY comes before everything else. (Yes, even aesthetics.) The site has to work and work effortlessly. Period. If it doesn't do that, then all of the artistic flourishes are ignored and put to waste due to user frustration.. (Here's an analogy:: Imagine walking into an art gallery, and before you could view any of the beautiful pieces, you had to complete a successful round of Sudoku just to properly view any kind of drawing or painting.. That's just frustrating, isn't it?)

I don't know about everyone else, but when I want to visit a Prince website, I just want the music and videos. I don't want to play a game. Heck, that's why we have video game counsels. They are BUILT solely for that purpose. Trying to make a website into some elaborate "Myst" experience is just a very poor idea on its face. Why? Because it all goes back to functionality. Websites are built for this and for accessing information first and foremost. If they aren't doing that very well, then there needs to be a redesign. It really is that simple.

Plus, why would you want to alienate a large portion of your fan base who happen to be running PC's with lower specs? If anyone has ever wondered why the "Diablo" video game series has been so ridiculously popular after all these years, I speculate that a large part of its success might have to do with the fact that ANYONE with ANY kind of computer can smoothly run the game. (PC or Mac) This increases your potential market share greatly and ends up benefiting everyone involved..

Basically, it comes down to this:: Make the website leaner, faster, and more straightforward. I say this even as a Graphic Design minor and Art major. There's a time and place for clever Flash tricks.. and this certainly isn't it.


Couldn't have said it better myself thumbs up! and I graduated with a Graphic Design MAJOR! Functionality comes first. Even as I type, there is a glitch with Bria's album being able to play confused
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Reply #136 posted 03/26/09 8:47am

EmancipationLo
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IstenSzek said:

EmancipationLover said:


- no one made a test dowmload of the music files before it went online???

eek


i guess not. i just got word back about my question regarding the playtime
of the track "boom"

it's 03:19 on the download and yet the runningtime on the site says it is
actually 04:54.

people on here kept saying it was meant to be like that and how great it
segues into "the morning after" (which is doesn't).

staff now reported back that they will look into it since the file might
have been corrupted after all.

falloff

disbelief

Last night an enormous amount of people hit the site. That may have messed up the download. Please try again, after this first explosion of humans.

wait. what? so the people logging in are once again to blame?

lol these guys are too much, really.


It is so amateurish, I can't believe it. I run a very, very basic website myself (which I also made myself to a large extent, though I'm not good at all with computers), and it has some pdf files for download. Before I let a new version get online, I quickly test if I can open them. That's not really rocket science...

And regarding traffic issues: I can understand that, but on a website like this, you should foresee that heavy traffic will occur. It's not just while the site is new online, everytime a new content will be added, such a situation might come up again. What about a waiting list for downloads in heavy-traffic situations? ('You are no. 15 on the list for the Lotuslow3r download, it will begin in 1 min 10 sec.' or something like that...) I'd rather wait a couple of minutes and get proper files rather than downloading it 10 times, which makes the traffic situation worse btw.
prince
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Reply #137 posted 03/26/09 8:48am

stanleylieber

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trust4u said:

Millions of users entering Credit Card info



rolleyes
it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die
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Reply #138 posted 03/26/09 8:51am

japanrocks

yeah it is odd how several of the tracks start off with the ending of the previous track.....

the main reason i am happy i paid my money is that i love the video section and am looking forward to being able to play the videos without the choppy parts

some of the music i downloaded is some of the best stuff prince has done in ten years - and i am really enjoying it

it seems clear to me that this website was set up for the fans - so we should be patient

i mean, if prince really needed the money - don't you think that the site would be error free and a lot better than it is? you bet it would be

think of all all the buzz this site could have created and gotten new members to join.....instead most people think the site kinda sucks so far

but i love it
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Reply #139 posted 03/26/09 8:57am

Anxiety

stanleylieber said:

trust4u said:

Millions of users entering Credit Card info



rolleyes



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Reply #140 posted 03/26/09 8:57am

udo

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trust4u said:

I checked Lotus early this morning it seems they have added security certificates to the site (note the pad lock in bottom right corner of your browser) and the streaming video is running smoothly in both regular and full screen modes.

It seems the developers are working to correct the issues.

The ssl was already functional in their servers yesterday.
It was just not implemented in the site.
The video's are a bit smoother but not yet perfect. (yes, ADSL that is fast enough, plenty of cores and plenty of RAM and plenty of innovation in the OS)

Strange that the downloads (music) are faster than the `streamed` videos?
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #141 posted 03/26/09 8:58am

trust4u

stanleylieber said:

it's all good here, my sign-up and download process went smoothly on the first try.


Had no problem entering my CC info, and I had momentary d/l problems, but they were fixed within minutes.
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Reply #142 posted 03/26/09 8:59am

EmancipationLo
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japanrocks said:

yeah it is odd how several of the tracks start off with the ending of the previous track.....

the main reason i am happy i paid my money is that i love the video section and am looking forward to being able to play the videos without the choppy parts

some of the music i downloaded is some of the best stuff prince has done in ten years - and i am really enjoying it

it seems clear to me that this website was set up for the fans - so we should be patient

i mean, if prince really needed the money - don't you think that the site would be error free and a lot better than it is? you bet it would be

think of all all the buzz this site could have created and gotten new members to join.....instead most people think the site kinda sucks so far

but i love it


I would agree if the website was open access, but if you pay for it, you have every right to expect things running smoothly.

Would you go to a restaurant, get a shitty meal, have the waiter saying "sorry, but give us a few days, maybe we'll make it an enjoyable dish in the meantime" and still be satisfied?
prince
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Reply #143 posted 03/26/09 9:06am

trust4u

udo said:

trust4u said:

I checked Lotus early this morning it seems they have added security certificates to the site (note the pad lock in bottom right corner of your browser) and the streaming video is running smoothly in both regular and full screen modes.

It seems the developers are working to correct the issues.

The ssl was already functional in their servers yesterday.
It was just not implemented in the site.
The video's are a bit smoother but not yet perfect. (yes, ADSL that is fast enough, plenty of cores and plenty of RAM and plenty of innovation in the OS)

Strange that the downloads (music) are faster than the `streamed` videos?


I run an AMD Dual Core & 4GB RAM with a 5MBIT DSL connection no streaming prolems.At work i run core 2 Quad with 4GB RAM Commerical DSL 8MBIT
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Reply #144 posted 03/26/09 9:14am

Shorty

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EmancipationLover said:

japanrocks said:

yeah it is odd how several of the tracks start off with the ending of the previous track.....

the main reason i am happy i paid my money is that i love the video section and am looking forward to being able to play the videos without the choppy parts

some of the music i downloaded is some of the best stuff prince has done in ten years - and i am really enjoying it

it seems clear to me that this website was set up for the fans - so we should be patient

i mean, if prince really needed the money - don't you think that the site would be error free and a lot better than it is? you bet it would be

think of all all the buzz this site could have created and gotten new members to join.....instead most people think the site kinda sucks so far

but i love it


I would agree if the website was open access, but if you pay for it, you have every right to expect things running smoothly.

Would you go to a restaurant, get a shitty meal, have the waiter saying "sorry, but give us a few days, maybe we'll make it an enjoyable dish in the meantime" and still be satisfied?


well...if I went to the resturant on OPENING day...I probably would cut them some slack, and return again in a few days or weeks to see if it had improved.
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #145 posted 03/26/09 9:15am

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First, sorry for my typo in the first post... "Counsels" should be "consoles."

Now, as for everything else... I still honestly think the site is a failure EVEN IF the bugs were to be worked out.

If he wants to make money off this site, which, given the $77 dollar subscription fee, is OBVIOUSLY the case..then there should be no need for the site to be designed as a maze and guessing game. The fact that this website needed its own "Tutorial" thread is just terrible. NO website should need to come with an instruction manual. That's just a great incentive for people to get up and leave..

If I went to a grocery store and the aisles were constantly being fluctuated, I probably would stop coming to that store for business. The same goes for this site.. If I can't access the information easily and immediately, why am I wasting my time? Why not just go to a torrent and start downloading the music within seconds?

It needs an overhaul.. Desperately.
Falling leaves will appear to them.. Like slow-motion rain..
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Reply #146 posted 03/26/09 9:16am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:

Purpracer2 said:

I'm just curious if anybody can tell me... since there were problems with downloading the albums, when I read the terms and conditions, it said that you can only download each album once... after that, you can't.


You don't even need an account to DL anything from the site. There is ZERO security. If someone were to post the URL of a zip or a video, anyone could download it.

If that is true, why do we pay?
Why does P make a scene about his (C)opyrights?
This is very contrary his normal pose. (!!)

At least for us we would expect that content is not accessible to non-members (because we paid).
Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #147 posted 03/26/09 9:17am

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udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:



You don't even need an account to DL anything from the site. There is ZERO security. If someone were to post the URL of a zip or a video, anyone could download it.

If that is true, why do we pay?
Why does P make a scene about his (C)opyrights?
This is very contrary his normal pose. (!!)

At least for us we would expect that content is not accessible to non-members (because we paid).


it's not like that on purpose. wink
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Reply #148 posted 03/26/09 9:18am

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Anxiety said:

squirrelgrease said:



Exactly. This guy has a pair o' globes on him.


really? i thought it was a very professional, very nicely worded message.

maybe i just get off on being condescended to. shrug lol


I would like to say something condescending, but it would probably just go over your head.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #149 posted 03/26/09 9:19am

EmancipationLo
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Shorty said:

EmancipationLover said:



I would agree if the website was open access, but if you pay for it, you have every right to expect things running smoothly.

Would you go to a restaurant, get a shitty meal, have the waiter saying "sorry, but give us a few days, maybe we'll make it an enjoyable dish in the meantime" and still be satisfied?


well...if I went to the resturant on OPENING day...I probably would cut them some slack, and return again in a few days or weeks to see if it had improved.


Then we need to agree to disagree. If I pay professionals to provide something, I expect quality. Else take your time to improve the quality of your product before you throw it at the public.

Actually, I can't complain because I haven't paid yet. I simply can't because they failed to implement a payment system accepting international credit cards. Because no American website has such a system... (It worked with NPGMC ages ago!)
prince
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