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are we really that CIVILIZED?
[This message was edited Tue May 20 19:38:02 PDT 2003 by pimpdoutt]

aww

This is a thread for DigitalLisa.

what is with people bringing children into this world and then wanting to be rid of them because of their own failures at parenthood.

but then what is she to do?

she can't trust them not to break the law.

she looks desperate and defeated.

i feel for her.

i wonder what point you have to get to to tie your children up in chains.

yes... as long as old ladies are wearing mis-matched socks and people are wearing baggy pants, we will be an uncivilized bunch of sorry fucks... :LOL:...

I guess that last post sums it for me...(?)!

"Karen Abe, 35, and her ex-husband, Allen Abe, 61, tethered their 13-year-old and 16-year-old sons to their beds..."

Um, that means ol' Karen was 19 and Allen was 45 when they had their first son...that 'splains everthang right there.

wellbeyond said:

I've always felt that whole "I'm 50 you're 25" relationship deal is such a bad mess.

Clearly there are issues there for both parties.

What is this thing old men have with young girls?

Do they feel that inadequate with someone at least around their own age?

pimpdoutt said:

I think it has some subconscious connection to starting to face their own mortality, mixed in with social conditioning that women are first and foremost eye candy...

On her end, she coulda been looking for/wanting a "father figure"...still searching for the love her own dad never showed her when she was young, shmaybe...

wellbeyond said:

right. like the whole Mariah / Mottola thing. and the Thalia / Mottola thing.

do these guys not see that if they didn't have all this money these girls wouldnt be around?

it's just so pathetic for them to think otherwise.

Sad case for all involved. All parties must be held accountable. The children, the mother, and the father. Still, I don't care how bad your parents are, at 13 & 16 you should have enough common sense to know when you make bad choices you suffer the consequences. Either at the hands of your parents or in the hands of the police. The problem is the authorities have tied our hands when it comes to discipling our children. Bad choice for some good for others. Being a parent now is harder than ever.

Blackcat said:

:NOD: The system is a big contributor to the monsters created these days.

Blackcat said:

definitely. everything now is seen as child abuse. someone is always ready to call DYFUS on you. i see my siblings and my friends with their kids and i wonder how they do it.

but these aren't kids.

at 13 and 16, these 2 know exavtly what's going on and just don't give a *uck.

i don't see what this whole case as to to with the police though...
its not like the kids were stuck in a dungeon, deprived of food or light, wipped and tortured...
sure chaining your children to the bed is a strange punishment but how is getting the mother aressted going to change anything...
i'm sorry but sometimes americains seem so wierd to me...

Alice said:

when you look at the incident in the whole context of child abuse, one can see the point of detaining the parents until an investigation is done.

little incidents like these get over looked too much and they are a sign of other abuses that occur in the home

locking up the mother isn't the solution though.

like a lot of things here, we result to the most convinient mehtod than the most logic at times

That 2 me is just sick. the fact that she said "If they come home I'll chain them up" is even bigger reason to throw her ass in prison.

ThaHumanBody said:

yes, that there should have been a red light for those guys to say, "hold on, this chick is a wack job ready for the 9 0'clock news with connie chung"

where's dr.phil when you need 'em.