Graycap23 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

And now, Anthony Bourdain apparently committed suicide...

hanging head, i have no words anymore.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Graycap23 said:

Interesting how humans look at suicide.

I think taking life into your own hands is brave as hell.

If u are bored by this thing we call life.....suicide is a very real option.

No more drama.

It is a personal decision but nothing cool or brave about suicide. Boredom says more about the person than life. Though in some cases of terminal illness or living in a state where life is not worth living, vegetable state it can be justified.

Suicide for people who suffer from life-long depression or other mental illnesses has nothing to do with boredom. These people are in very real pain and struggle with it on a daily basis, help or no help. Many times a major life crisis can trigger suicide even in those who have been able to manage the illness for years.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Graycap23 said:

Interesting how humans look at suicide.

I think taking life into your own hands is brave as hell.

If u are bored by this thing we call life.....suicide is a very real option.

No more drama.

It is a personal decision but nothing cool or brave about suicide. Boredom says more about the person than life. Though in some cases of terminal illness or living in a state where life is not worth living, vegetable state it can be justified.

Boredom? WTF?

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*note was commenting towards greycaps nonsensical post.

Tell that to 1,000's of people who commuie suicide every year.

Some people are bold enough to realize that they want out...........and make it happen.

Graycap23 said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*note was commenting towards greycaps nonsensical post.

Tell that to 1,000's of people who commuie suicide every year.

Some people are bold enough to realize that they want out...........and make it happen.

i think it has to be a bit of both. fearlessly chosing death for some that feel done.

and depression and no way up/out for others. there probably isn't one stick to measure all. those

that comment on the fearless ones are just more in touch with those folks and vice versa. IMO

purplefam99 said:

Graycap23 said:

Tell that to 1,000's of people who commuie suicide every year.

Some people are bold enough to realize that they want out...........and make it happen.

i think it has to be a bit of both. fearlessly chosing death for some that feel done.

and depression and no way up/out for others. there probably isn't one stick to measure all. those

that comment on the fearless ones are just more in touch with those folks and vice versa. IMO

Fearless ones, my ass... Like anyone makes the choice of suicide lightly.

purplethunder3121 said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*fearful of living. That is majority of suicides.

I don't think they are fearful of living, they just think there is nothing to live for.

PennyPurple said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*fearful of living. That is majority of suicides.

I don't think they are fearful of living, they just think there is nothing to live for.

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't think they are fearful of living, they just think there is nothing to live for.

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

Let's just start with sentences 1 and 2:

We could say that EVERYTHING in life is triggered by an event.

Done to inflict pain on survivors? You don't know that. We are all on the outside looking in. Simplistic, and 100% your opinion. You present as the expert on everything, dropping your "truth" on us. Lumping school shooters and suicides together in a sentence proves nothing.

Again, the one thing I can tell from some posts is that - people who don't know those feelings of depression themselves just don't get it. And that's a good thing really. Data shows there is a physical alteration/imbalance in the brain in many cases of suicide, along with other physiological factors and family history. NOT something superficial or directed from outer events.

poppys said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

Let's just start with sentences 1 and 2:

We could say that EVERYTHING in life is triggered by an event.

Done to inflict pain on survivors? You don't know that. We are all on the outside looking in. Simplistic, and 100% your opinion. You present as the expert on everything, dropping your "truth" on us. Lumping school shooters and suicides together in a sentence proves nothing.

Again, the one thing I can tell from some posts is that - people who don't know those feelings of depression themselves just don't get it. And that's a good thing really. Data shows there is a physical alteration/imbalance in the brain in many cases of suicide, along with other physiological factors and family history. NOT something superficial or directed from outer events.

Exactly. Some people simply look at where they are in this life and decide that they have had enough.

Graycap23 said:

Exactly. Some people simply look at where they are in this life and decide that they have had enough.

Some but I would believe that is super rare. Majority do not want to face consequences and sometimes in Spades or Bourdains case it is trivial. Breakup suicides.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't think they are fearful of living, they just think there is nothing to live for.

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

I don't know that most people do it to inflict pain on the survivors. My grandma wouldn't have hurt her grandkids for anything. She didn't kill herself to inflict pain on us. She just had enough and thought there was nothing to live for.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Graycap23 said:

Exactly. Some people simply look at where they are in this life and decide that they have had enough.

Some but I would believe that is super rare. Majority do not want to face consequences and sometimes in Spades or Bourdains case it is trivial. Breakup suicides.

There are no easy answers. What is YOUR NEED to tie that bow around it?? Beloved Dude checked out of his hotel, that's really all we will EVER know.

AND now these messages from our sponsers...

PennyPurple said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

I don't know that most people do it to inflict pain on the survivors. My grandma wouldn't have hurt her grandkids for anything. She didn't kill herself to inflict pain on us. She just had enough and thought there was nothing to live for.

Sorry for your loss Penny. Sounds like she raised y'all to be people who could understand that.

PennyPurple said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Most suicides are triggered by an event, They are done to inflict pain on survivors. Like if someone is getting outed or going to prison or the want to get back at an ex-lover or family member. Just like the school shooters, people don't want to understand that these shooters/suicide in a way kill to be closer to the victims/people they leave behind. They want them to feel the same "pain" they are going through. It is a way for suicides/shooters to feel closer to the people/persons they see as putting them in pain, inflicting that same pain. That is the truth. I've studied psychology by spiritual leaders and well most people don't want to know the truth.

I don't know that most people do it to inflict pain on the survivors. My grandma wouldn't have hurt her grandkids for anything. She didn't kill herself to inflict pain on us. She just had enough and thought there was nothing to live for.

My uncle was tied up in mob culture. He would show up at house with truckloads of merch, beer, booze, etc and we always turned him away. He killed himself because others wanted him dead. He blew his head off and me and my aunt found him in his truck. I was seven.

My cousin he killed himself to inflict pain, he hated a lot of people and he was tied up in drugs and got into a twisted relationship. He inflicted pain on his first real gf.

My friend he inflicted pain, arguing with gf on phone pulled out a gun and shot himself.

My best friend, he was high but wife cheated him and he jumped in the road. He inflicted pain, he didn't want to face wife leaving but he should have celebrated it. I know I would have.

I think the majority are escaping shit and to a degree wanting to inflict pain. Of course, I think some want out because they are old and in pain or just state of not being able to live. I have more and understanding for them, even like Wendy O Williams she thought it out for years and it wasn't a split decision or to inflict pain or anything. I agree some just are done but often at least from what I see that is not the case. And part of me has to believe that they must know or not think about the pain it inflicts.

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't know that most people do it to inflict pain on the survivors. My grandma wouldn't have hurt her grandkids for anything. She didn't kill herself to inflict pain on us. She just had enough and thought there was nothing to live for.

Sorry for your loss Penny. Sounds like she raised y'all to be people who could understand that.

Thanks Poppys.

poppys said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Some but I would believe that is super rare. Majority do not want to face consequences and sometimes in Spades or Bourdains case it is trivial. Breakup suicides.

There are no easy answers. What is YOUR NEED to tie that bow around it?? Beloved Dude checked out of his hotel, that's really all we will EVER know.

AND now these messages from our sponsers...

True but like Spade it sounds like it. I mean geez the girlfriend with another man walking around holding hands, romantic. This is not rocket science poppy! That is my first rule if someone makes a suicide gesture I'm done with the relationship unless they get help.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't know that most people do it to inflict pain on the survivors. My grandma wouldn't have hurt her grandkids for anything. She didn't kill herself to inflict pain on us. She just had enough and thought there was nothing to live for.

My uncle was tied up in mob culture. He would show up at house with truckloads of merch, beer, booze, etc and we always turned him away. He killed himself because others wanted him dead. He blew his head off and me and my aunt found him in his truck. I was seven.

My cousin he killed himself to inflict pain, he hated a lot of people and he was tied up in drugs and got into a twisted relationship. He inflicted pain on his first real gf.

My friend he inflicted pain, arguing with gf on phone pulled out a gun and shot himself.

My best friend, he was high but wife cheated him and he jumped in the road. He inflicted pain, he didn't want to face wife leaving but he should have celebrated it. I know I would have.

I think the majority are escaping shit and to a degree wanting to inflict pain. Of course, I think some want out because they are old and in pain or just state of not being able to live. I have more and understanding for them, even like Wendy O Williams she thought it out for years and it wasn't a split decision or to inflict pain or anything. I agree some just are done but often at least from what I see that is not the case. And part of me has to believe that they must know or not think about the pain it inflicts.

My Grandma shot herself when she was 62. She was lonely and her kids and grandkids lived 200 miles away. Grandpa was a bear to live with. And she had tried many times before. My dad walked in 1 time and she had her head inside the gas oven...but she succeeded this time.

My step brother shot himself. He tied a string to the rifle and to his toe, had the rifle in his mouth and pulled the string with his toe.

My other step brother got into a fight with his girlfriend, she went running out of the house and he fired a shot at her, and thankfully missed. The cops came and he was holed up inside, stand off for hours, what they didn't know was when the girlfriend was running outside, the next shot was to his head.

The pain they leave us survivors in, is unbearable at times.

The note that Spade left bothers me. It reads like I love you daughter but go ask your father why I killed myself. At least that is how I interpret it?

PennyPurple said:

My Grandma shot herself when she was 62. She was lonely and her kids and grandkids lived 200 miles away. Grandpa was a bear to live with. And she had tried many times before. My dad walked in 1 time and she had her head inside the gas oven...but she succeeded this time.

My step brother shot himself. He tied a string to the rifle and to his toe, had the rifle in his mouth and pulled the string with his toe.

My other step brother got into a fight with his girlfriend, she went running out of the house and he fired a shot at her, and thankfully missed. The cops came and he was holed up inside, stand off for hours, what they didn't know was when the girlfriend was running outside, the next shot was to his head.

The pain they leave us survivors in, is unbearable at times.

My cousins death bothers me the most because I was close with him for a time. But I'm never close with too many people forever. I drift. I'm sorry to hear that Penny

Joni Mitchell - Hejira

Song For Sharon

A woman I knew just drowned herself
The well was deep and muddy
She was just shaking off futility
Or punishing somebody
My friends were calling up all day yesterday
All emotions and abstractions
It seems we all live so close to that line
and so far from satisfaction

SuperFurryAnimal said:

purplefam99 said:

During the oil bust of the eighties. A lot of my high school schoolmates fathers killed themselves because, I guess they feared they had gotten in over their heads And would no longer be wealthy or afford the life they had become accustomed.

Hey fam!

Interesting, got the image of those Wall St magnates jumping out of windows to their deaths in the crash of '29.

PennyPurple said: