SoulAlive said:

How come characters keep getting close to Negan,but they never kill him?! That is so frustrating!

Right? idiot Rick has got the fuckin Lucille and wasn't able to kill the motherfucker, is frustrating and quite silly.

SoulAlive said:

Why do they kill off good people,but allow fools like Eugene to stay alive?!

Indeed, unfortunately this shit happens all the time in tv shows. Is ridiculous.

DaveT said:

SoulAlive said:

How come characters keep getting close to Negan,but they never kill him?! That is so frustrating!

That's the biggest thing that's getting on my tits at the moment ... the opportunities they've had to sort Negan out and people don't take their shot.

Last night was the worst. Negan is down on the floor at Rick's feet, Rick gets hold of Lucille, and what does he do? He jabs him in the chest with it. Good god man, take a full swing at his skull ...!!!

He wasted a precious opportunity to send the motherfucket to hell, is the second time he has had to kill him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I cannot see the Walking Dead going on much longer.

So many of the original crew is gone, that core foundational 'family'

and we don't really have further additional characters that are bonded

The show is over bloated with too many characters and no 'intimate' connection.
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Think back to the season of shows that took place after they had to leave the Prison - Terminus and then after Terminus - Alexandria. We really go to connect with the characters and see a family form. We got little background stories on most of them. And that kind of stuff I think really made me love these characters.

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Prior to Alexandria we also saw homes/house, neighborhoods after the result of the Turn, and gave us a glimps into lives of people we would never know. It gave a sense of mystery and horror at the same time. We don't get that anymore either.

I think that,once they get finished with the war,things will return to the way it used to be.The storylines will focus on family/bonds/ and the new challenges as they move forward without Carl.I feel like the Negan character has sorta taken over the show.It's time to move on,imo.

DaveT said:

SoulAlive said:

How come characters keep getting close to Negan,but they never kill him?! That is so frustrating!

That's the biggest thing that's getting on my tits at the moment ... the opportunities they've had to sort Negan out and people don't take their shot.

Last night was the worst. Negan is down on the floor at Rick's feet, Rick gets hold of Lucille, and what does he do? He jabs him in the chest with it. Good god man, take a full swing at his skull ...!!!

he does doesn't he

214 said:

DaveT said:

That's the biggest thing that's getting on my tits at the moment ... the opportunities they've had to sort Negan out and people don't take their shot.

Last night was the worst. Negan is down on the floor at Rick's feet, Rick gets hold of Lucille, and what does he do? He jabs him in the chest with it. Good god man, take a full swing at his skull ...!!!

He wasted a precious opportunity to send the motherfucket to hell, is the second time he has had to kill him.

yeah it is just dragged on

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I cannot see the Walking Dead going on much longer.

So many of the original crew is gone, that core foundational 'family'

and we don't really have further additional characters that are bonded

The show is over bloated with too many characters and no 'intimate' connection.
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Think back to the season of shows that took place after they had to leave the Prison - Terminus and then after Terminus - Alexandria. We really go to connect with the characters and see a family form. We got little background stories on most of them. And that kind of stuff I think really made me love these characters.

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Prior to Alexandria we also saw homes/house, neighborhoods after the result of the Turn, and gave us a glimps into lives of people we would never know. It gave a sense of mystery and horror at the same time. We don't get that anymore either.

I think that,once they get finished with the war,things will return to the way it used to be.The storylines will focus on family/bonds/ and the new challenges as they move forward without Carl.I feel like the Negan character has sorta taken over the show.It's time to move on,imo.

I hope so. I did like Carl.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I cannot see the Walking Dead going on much longer.

So many of the original crew is gone, that core foundational 'family'

and we don't really have further additional characters that are bonded

The show is over bloated with too many characters and no 'intimate' connection.
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Think back to the season of shows that took place after they had to leave the Prison - Terminus and then after Terminus - Alexandria. We really go to connect with the characters and see a family form. We got little background stories on most of them. And that kind of stuff I think really made me love these characters.

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Prior to Alexandria we also saw homes/house, neighborhoods after the result of the Turn, and gave us a glimps into lives of people we would never know. It gave a sense of mystery and horror at the same time. We don't get that anymore either.

this really sums up how i've felt this season.

right now i'm so stunned by Carl's impending death, i don't see how the story can ever get back to any kind of normal like it used to be. it just won't be the same without him. he is really central to the whole thing, imo

[Edited 12/20/17 15:50pm]

SoulAlive said:

perhaps they’re planning to end the show in a year or so....that might explain those scenes we saw in episode one of a bearded Rick with Michone and his daughter (but no Carl) giving us a preview of how things will play out?

That's the implication ...

SPOILERS ...

... if things follow the comic it was a preview of life after the war with Negan. In the comic there's a time jump of two or three years, the group have to now rely on horseback, windmills, etc. Rick breaks his leg in the final battle with Negan, hence the walking stick. Judith is a bit older.

However, Carl dying is a massive departure from the comics, so anything could happen now.

The Whisperer War is the next big story after Negan, and its a really good one ... a totally different sort of villain. I hope they do that story before things wrap up on the show.

DaveT said:

The Whisperer War is the next big story after Negan, and its a really good one ... a totally different sort of villain. I hope they do that story before things wrap up on the show.

Sounds interesting,but to be honest,I don't want another war I'd like to see the storyline focusing on the characters moving on,finding a new place to start over,and rebuilding their lives.

When 'Fear The Walking Dead' returns,it's going to show the characters in a whole new place (Texas) and that brings alot of interesting new ideas,new people and new challenges.I'd like to see the Walking Dead go in a similiar direction.

SoulAlive said:

DaveT said:

The Whisperer War is the next big story after Negan, and its a really good one ... a totally different sort of villain. I hope they do that story before things wrap up on the show.

Sounds interesting,but to be honest,I don't want another war I'd like to see the storyline focusing on the characters moving on,finding a new place to start over,and rebuilding their lives.

Me too, idon't want another war, no more killings i'd rather see something more quiet.

214 said:

SoulAlive said:

Sounds interesting,but to be honest,I don't want another war I'd like to see the storyline focusing on the characters moving on,finding a new place to start over,and rebuilding their lives.

Me too, idon't want another war, no more killings i'd rather see something more quiet.

It is The Walking Dead though, a horror TV show ... if it was just about Daryl and Rick painting their new house its going to become a soap opera. No thanks! There's a million other programs already on TV like that.

The Whisperer story isn't a "war" in the same way Rick vs Negan is ... bit hard to explain without giving too much away.

DaveT said:

214 said:

Me too, idon't want another war, no more killings i'd rather see something more quiet.

It is The Walking Dead though, a horror TV show ... if it was just about Daryl and Rick painting their new house its going to become a soap opera. No thanks! There's a million other programs already on TV like that.

The Whisperer story isn't a "war" in the same way Rick vs Negan is ... bit hard to explain without giving too much away.

Don't shy away bringin it on.

SoulAlive said:

When 'Fear The Walking Dead' returns,it's going to show the characters in a whole new place (Texas) and that brings alot of interesting new ideas,new people and new challenges.I'd like to see the Walking Dead go in a similiar direction.

I actually miss them in Georgia lol

214 said:

DaveT said:

It is The Walking Dead though, a horror TV show ... if it was just about Daryl and Rick painting their new house its going to become a soap opera. No thanks! There's a million other programs already on TV like that.

The Whisperer story isn't a "war" in the same way Rick vs Negan is ... bit hard to explain without giving too much away.

Don't shy away bringin it on.

Okey doke ...
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There's a two or three year time jump in the story. The Whisperers are their own community that live in a large encampment. They dress like zombies and wear the severed faces of the dead. They are first revealed when a zombie comes at the group holding a machete ... its a great moment in the comic as the characters and you are like "what the f*ck?! That zombie is wielding a weapon". The Whisperers are relatively peaceful but dont want Rick and the others encroaching on their territory. Carl gets involved with a teen girl in the group though and it gets complicated.

Negan is in "prison" at this point. He and Rick have a sort of Clarice/Hannibal thing going, but he eventually needs Negan's help so they have to learn to trust each other.

Its a good story as its different to what's gone before, but Carl is a huge part of it so god knows if they're going to do it now.

I would rather that they just simply kill Negan off....so that they can all move on I don't like the idea of Rick and Negan working together.

SoulAlive said:

I would rather that they just simply kill Negan off....so that they can all move on I don't like the idea of Rick and Negan working together.

Me neither, I'm already tired of Negan.

kitbradley said:

I still say Negan is the worst thing that happened to that show. I was so frustrsted with the heavy focus on him in Season 7. I'm hoping he will be gone by the end of this season.

Negan has been on the show a tad to long for my taste but I think he is the most interesting villain on the show so far. I like his humor, his trademark clothes, his accessories (Lucille, and that red bandana around his neck), I like that there´s some ambiguity as far as his character is concerned. He is very, very evil, almost sick and twisted, but unlike the Governor he is not batshit crazy.

I also liked the Terminus people as villains but they were very shortlived, which is understandable.

KoolEaze said:

kitbradley said:

I still say Negan is the worst thing that happened to that show. I was so frustrsted with the heavy focus on him in Season 7. I'm hoping he will be gone by the end of this season.

Negan has been on the show a tad to long for my taste but I think he is the most interesting villain on the show so far. I like his humor, his trademark clothes, his accessories (Lucille, and that red bandana around his neck), I like that there´s some ambiguity as far as his character is concerned. He is very, very evil, almost sick and twisted, but unlike the Governor he is not batshit crazy.

I also liked the Terminus people as villains but they were very shortlived, which is understandable.

If they did a side series on the Governer (according to the novel) that would have been a wonderful addition to the tv series. I actually liked the Governers time on the show. Negan is not interesting enough. I still don't get why he has such command of so many people, yet I can easily see the Governers command and understand it.

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I too wish we had a little more on Terminus, that was in twistedly interesting place with an interesting background. Again a little more on them(outside of the main crew) would have been good.

OldFriends4Sale said:

KoolEaze said:

Negan has been on the show a tad to long for my taste but I think he is the most interesting villain on the show so far. I like his humor, his trademark clothes, his accessories (Lucille, and that red bandana around his neck), I like that there´s some ambiguity as far as his character is concerned. He is very, very evil, almost sick and twisted, but unlike the Governor he is not batshit crazy.

I also liked the Terminus people as villains but they were very shortlived, which is understandable.

If they did a side series on the Governer (according to the novel) that would have been a wonderful addition to the tv series. I actually liked the Governers time on the show. Negan is not interesting enough. I still don't get why he has such command of so many people, yet I can easily see the Governers command and understand it.

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I too wish we had a little more on Terminus, that was in twistedly interesting place with an interesting background. Again a little more on them(outside of the main crew) would have been good.

Me neither, why those people are so loyal to him, especially when He is such a monster.

214 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If they did a side series on the Governer (according to the novel) that would have been a wonderful addition to the tv series. I actually liked the Governers time on the show. Negan is not interesting enough. I still don't get why he has such command of so many people, yet I can easily see the Governers command and understand it.

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I too wish we had a little more on Terminus, that was in twistedly interesting place with an interesting background. Again a little more on them(outside of the main crew) would have been good.

Me neither, why those people are so loyal to him, especially when He is such a monster.

We don't know what happened in the past ... maybe those people were really struggling or only just surviving and he was the one that pulled them altogether.

In the comics Negan's backstory shows him coming to the aid of "weaker" people, fighting off walkers when they were too scared or physically unable ... though not because he wanted to be a hero but just because it made sense and was better for him to have a big group around him. They then looked to him as their "saviour" as it were ...

DaveT said:

214 said:

Me neither, why those people are so loyal to him, especially when He is such a monster.

We don't know what happened in the past ... maybe those people were really struggling or only just surviving and he was the one that pulled them altogether.

In the comics Negan's backstory shows him coming to the aid of "weaker" people, fighting off walkers when they were too scared or physically unable ... though not because he wanted to be a hero but just because it made sense and was better for him to have a big group around him. They then looked to him as their "saviour" as it were ...

In a lot of ways the Governor did the same thing, but what he did and how it did it made more sense.

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I wish we had snippett backstories of people in Negans camp, like we saw with Ricks group prior to Alexandria

OldFriends4Sale said:

DaveT said:

We don't know what happened in the past ... maybe those people were really struggling or only just surviving and he was the one that pulled them altogether.

In the comics Negan's backstory shows him coming to the aid of "weaker" people, fighting off walkers when they were too scared or physically unable ... though not because he wanted to be a hero but just because it made sense and was better for him to have a big group around him. They then looked to him as their "saviour" as it were ...

In a lot of ways the Governor did the same thing, but what he did and how it did it made more sense.

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I wish we had snippett backstories of people in Negans camp, like we saw with Ricks group prior to Alexandria

I think that's where there's been some misteps between the comic and the TV show. On the page the Governor was much more of an a-hole ... but on the screen he was more measured.

With Negan they've lost some of that ambiguity of character (is he good, is he bad?) and replaced it with a bit too much grinnin' and wisecrackin' ... JDM has done a great job but he can only work with the script he's given. Its a shame as it started out fine. Even when JDM was killing Glenn you thought "well, Rick did kill a ton of his guys, unprovoked", but since then there's been too much focus on Negan playing games and being sadistic, and not enough highlighting the reasons why Negan does what he does.

Negan needs to be Malcolm X to Rick's Martin Luther King ... that's the dynamic the show really needs.

DaveT said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

In a lot of ways the Governor did the same thing, but what he did and how it did it made more sense.

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I wish we had snippett backstories of people in Negans camp, like we saw with Ricks group prior to Alexandria

I think that's where there's been some misteps between the comic and the TV show. On the page the Governor was much more of an a-hole ... but on the screen he was more measured.

With Negan they've lost some of that ambiguity of character (is he good, is he bad?) and replaced it with a bit too much grinnin' and wisecrackin' ... JDM has done a great job but he can only work with the script he's given. Its a shame as it started out fine. Even when JDM was killing Glenn you thought "well, Rick did kill a ton of his guys, unprovoked", but since then there's been too much focus on Negan playing games and being sadistic, and not enough highlighting the reasons why Negan does what he does.

Negan needs to be Malcolm X to Rick's Martin Luther King ... that's the dynamic the show really needs.

You think so ? In my opinion it´s the other way around. Negan stepped on the scene as a horrible, sadistic and mean person and that episode where he smashes Glenn´s skull left me traumatized after watching it, and my friends felt the same way but these days, slowly but surely, we can almost related to why Negan did what he did and he even talks about it several times and talks about how cowardly Rick and his gang killed the Saviors in their sleep.

For example when he speaks with Eugene.

KoolEaze said:

DaveT said:

I think that's where there's been some misteps between the comic and the TV show. On the page the Governor was much more of an a-hole ... but on the screen he was more measured.

With Negan they've lost some of that ambiguity of character (is he good, is he bad?) and replaced it with a bit too much grinnin' and wisecrackin' ... JDM has done a great job but he can only work with the script he's given. Its a shame as it started out fine. Even when JDM was killing Glenn you thought "well, Rick did kill a ton of his guys, unprovoked", but since then there's been too much focus on Negan playing games and being sadistic, and not enough highlighting the reasons why Negan does what he does.

Negan needs to be Malcolm X to Rick's Martin Luther King ... that's the dynamic the show really needs.

You think so ? In my opinion it´s the other way around. Negan stepped on the scene as a horrible, sadistic and mean person and that episode where he smashes Glenn´s skull left me traumatized after watching it, and my friends felt the same way but these days, slowly but surely, we can almost related to why Negan did what he did and he even talks about it several times and talks about how cowardly Rick and his gang killed the Saviors in their sleep.

For example when he speaks with Eugene.

Perhaps having read the comics I viewed that scene in a different light ... I already knew Negan's background, personality, methods, reasons, etc. And Rick was overdue a reality check, and as harsh as it was, that's what he got.

A number of the Saviours are a-holes like Negan but whose to say there wasn't another "Glenn" amongst that group that Rick stabbed to death in their sleep? ...